Is it true thought that they don’t let you film from the side angle at their meets?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Is it true thought that they don’t let you film from the side angle at their meets?[/quote]
Jesse will not allow it at the meets he runs for the most part. Why would you want to video it from the side anyway? The spotters, judges, et al make it pretty hard to get a good view of the big lifts.
[quote]Apostate wrote:
All the best lifters in the sport do multiply right now. [/quote]
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.
How the hell is an elite strength athlete’s bench press higher than their DL? Freaky upper body strength.
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
How the hell is an elite strength athlete’s bench press higher than their DL? Freaky upper body strength.[/quote]
multiply bench shirts
[quote]crashcrew56 wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
How the hell is an elite strength athlete’s bench press higher than their DL? Freaky upper body strength.
multiply bench shirts[/quote]
Because the deadlift is for the most part the only lift that you dont get alot out of the gear. if you could get 150 pounds instead of 40 pounds out of a DL suit, then their would be numerous 1000 pound DL’s
[quote]Pinto wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Is it true thought that they don’t let you film from the side angle at their meets?
Jesse will not allow it at the meets he runs for the most part. Why would you want to video it from the side anyway? The spotters, judges, et al make it pretty hard to get a good view of the big lifts. [/quote]
Lifts taped from the side are harder to dispute than ones taped from the notorious front angle, IMO.
I don’t see why he would disallow taping from the side unless he knew he was throwing some lifters gifts…especially since there’s no logical reason why not to allow taping from the side.
Just seems fishy to me.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Pinto wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Is it true thought that they don’t let you film from the side angle at their meets?
Jesse will not allow it at the meets he runs for the most part. Why would you want to video it from the side anyway? The spotters, judges, et al make it pretty hard to get a good view of the big lifts.
Lifts taped from the side are harder to dispute than ones taped from the notorious front angle, IMO.
I don’t see why he would disallow taping from the side unless he knew he was throwing some lifters gifts…especially since there’s no logical reason why not to allow taping from the side.
Just seems fishy to me.[/quote]
Well- see that’s the whole thing, the judges make the decision on whether a lift is good- not some guy watching it on youtube. I think Jesse has little interest in accomodating the internet judges. Lifters have been supportive of the rule. I’ve never heard anybody at a meet complain about it. If the lifters didn’t support it, I suppose he’d change it.
I don’t see why the internet judges should be accomodated either. The way I see it is like this- if you have a yen to judge, then go take the test and volunteer your services to a meet director. Having helped set up a couple meets, I can tell you that good help is hard to find. We need judges at meets- not on the internet.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
The way I see it is like this- if you have a yen to judge, then go take the test and volunteer your services to a meet director. Having helped set up a couple meets, I can tell you that good help is hard to find. We need judges at meets- not on the internet. [/quote]
Very nicely put. The judges at every bodybuilding competition (132% more subjective than PL) I’ve witnessed have said the same thing. Basically, put your money (time) where your mouth is. If you don’t like the judging, become a judge. Simple as that.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Pinto wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Is it true thought that they don’t let you film from the side angle at their meets?
Jesse will not allow it at the meets he runs for the most part. Why would you want to video it from the side anyway? The spotters, judges, et al make it pretty hard to get a good view of the big lifts.
Lifts taped from the side are harder to dispute than ones taped from the notorious front angle, IMO.
I don’t see why he would disallow taping from the side unless he knew he was throwing some lifters gifts…especially since there’s no logical reason why not to allow taping from the side.
Just seems fishy to me.
Well- see that’s the whole thing, the judges make the decision on whether a lift is good- not some guy watching it on youtube. I think Jesse has little interest in accomodating the internet judges. Lifters have been supportive of the rule. I’ve never heard anybody at a meet complain about it. If the lifters didn’t support it, I suppose he’d change it.
I don’t see why the internet judges should be accomodated either. The way I see it is like this- if you have a yen to judge, then go take the test and volunteer your services to a meet director. Having helped set up a couple meets, I can tell you that good help is hard to find. We need judges at meets- not on the internet. [/quote]
It doesn’t seem to be hurting other feds at all as long as they aren’t passing bullshit lifts like a great number of the ones I’ve seen from the pro-am.
It’s called transparency. Judging whether or not a squat is parallel from a side angle isn’t exactly esoteric or rocket science and the people who are going to be internet judges are going to do so whether or not the lift is taped from the side or the front or the back or the top.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Pinto wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Is it true thought that they don’t let you film from the side angle at their meets?
Jesse will not allow it at the meets he runs for the most part. Why would you want to video it from the side anyway? The spotters, judges, et al make it pretty hard to get a good view of the big lifts.
Lifts taped from the side are harder to dispute than ones taped from the notorious front angle, IMO.
I don’t see why he would disallow taping from the side unless he knew he was throwing some lifters gifts…especially since there’s no logical reason why not to allow taping from the side.
Just seems fishy to me.
Well- see that’s the whole thing, the judges make the decision on whether a lift is good- not some guy watching it on youtube. I think Jesse has little interest in accomodating the internet judges. Lifters have been supportive of the rule. I’ve never heard anybody at a meet complain about it. If the lifters didn’t support it, I suppose he’d change it.
I don’t see why the internet judges should be accomodated either. The way I see it is like this- if you have a yen to judge, then go take the test and volunteer your services to a meet director. Having helped set up a couple meets, I can tell you that good help is hard to find. We need judges at meets- not on the internet. [/quote]
Jesse has said specifically at the lifters meetings that he doesn’t want the side angle due to the internet judging and fed bashing. He is just trying to head off a fight that is unwinnable(?).
If he allows it, the squats aren’t deep enough. If he doesn’t allow it, the squats aren’t deep enough. Whatever. I believe he is trying to do what is right by the lifter and his fed.
Not that it really matters to me, I ALWAYS hit depth…
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
It doesn’t seem to be hurting other feds at all as long as they aren’t passing bullshit lifts like a great number of the ones I’ve seen from the pro-am.
It’s called transparency. Judging whether or not a squat is parallel from a side angle isn’t exactly esoteric or rocket science and the people who are going to be internet judges are going to do so whether or not the lift is taped from the side or the front or the back or the top.[/quote]
I see your perspective- I mean, the knee jerk reaction to a rule like that is “so what are you hiding?”. But the question for a federation or a meet director comes down to who do they rather wish to serve? An internet public of whom only a fraction even support the meets? Or the actual lifters and actual judges, who have little interest in accomodating the trashing of their efforts by strangers around the globe?
I love that thousands of meet (and training) videos are available for free on the web. I get fired up watching these. I learn from these. It’s like I get to go to meets all over the world over the last 30 years and see the best lifters doing their thing. Since the internet introduced me to powerlifitng, these videos were among my first training partners/coaches. The hip-cam videos I have seen (remember, with two to three side spotters and a judge, there is not much room get a good frame of the whole lifter), only show a bunch of legs and a canvas butt dropping down and coming back up (or not). They don’t inspire or teach because all you see is a thigh. They serve only one function- to tell us if the guy squatting hit depth- a moot point on Monday morning.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
It doesn’t seem to be hurting other feds at all as long as they aren’t passing bullshit lifts like a great number of the ones I’ve seen from the pro-am.
It’s called transparency. Judging whether or not a squat is parallel from a side angle isn’t exactly esoteric or rocket science and the people who are going to be internet judges are going to do so whether or not the lift is taped from the side or the front or the back or the top.
I see your perspective- I mean, the knee jerk reaction to a rule like that is “so what are you hiding?”. But the question for a federation or a meet director comes down to who do they rather wish to serve? An internet public of whom only a fraction even support the meets? Or the actual lifters and actual judges, who have little interest in accomodating the trashing of their efforts by strangers around the globe?
I love that thousands of meet (and training) videos are available for free on the web. I get fired up watching these. I learn from these. It’s like I get to go to meets all over the world over the last 30 years and see the best lifters doing their thing. Since the internet introduced me to powerlifitng, these videos were among my first training partners/coaches. The hip-cam videos I have seen (remember, with two to three side spotters and a judge, there is not much room get a good frame of the whole lifter), only show a bunch of legs and a canvas butt dropping down and coming back up (or not). They don’t inspire or teach because all you see is a thigh. They serve only one function- to tell us if the guy squatting hit depth- a moot point on Monday morning.
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On the other hand, don’t you think it’s good for the sport and the lifters participating to have some outside eyes keeping credibility intact. I mean…the judges at the Pro/Am apparently missed that Hoff had a hoodie balled up under his bench shirt and Hoss and Wenning would have been out of some money had the “internet judges” not jumped all over it. It’s a well known fact (and big problem) that lifters get gifts at meets, especially when they happen to be friends with the meet director or someone related to the judges or when they are setting records. Look at the number of sheer gifts big name lifters have gotten in the past year and it’s pretty apparent that more transparent judging standards and more accountable judges are needed.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
Well- see that’s the whole thing, the judges make the decision on whether a lift is good- not some guy watching it on youtube. I think Jesse has little interest in accomodating the internet judges. Lifters have been supportive of the rule. I’ve never heard anybody at a meet complain about it. If the lifters didn’t support it, I suppose he’d change it.
I don’t see why the internet judges should be accomodated either. The way I see it is like this- if you have a yen to judge, then go take the test and volunteer your services to a meet director. Having helped set up a couple meets, I can tell you that good help is hard to find. We need judges at meets- not on the internet. [/quote]
This doesn’t make any sense at all. Allowing people to video tape lifts from the side isn’t accommodating internet judges–requiring that lifts be taped from the side would be accommodating internet judges. On the other hand, banning lifts from being video taped from the side sure looks fishy. There’s a subtle difference between accommodating internet judges and simply being transparent, and it sounds like he’s trying to claim that being transparent means accommodating internet judges–thereby excusing him from being transparent. As for whether or not lifters support it, of course many lifters will support it if it means they might get a “gift”.
Look, the “internet judges” shouldn’t be “accommodated”, but allowing transparency isn’t accommodating them. As you have said yourself, there will ALWAYS be haters out there no matter how good the lift is. Banning side shots not only doesn’t stop them, it encourages them. It also prevents serious lifters from seeing decent shots of important world record setting lifts.
As for all the crap about not being able to judge right form a video, it’s well, crap. Obviously you can’t call a close squat from a video, but it’s clear enough when squats are 3-4 inches high (like in Frankl’s case).
Besides, the proper way to handle internet judges is to ignore them.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Pinto wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
It doesn’t seem to be hurting other feds at all as long as they aren’t passing bullshit lifts like a great number of the ones I’ve seen from the pro-am.
It’s called transparency. Judging whether or not a squat is parallel from a side angle isn’t exactly esoteric or rocket science and the people who are going to be internet judges are going to do so whether or not the lift is taped from the side or the front or the back or the top.
I see your perspective- I mean, the knee jerk reaction to a rule like that is “so what are you hiding?”. But the question for a federation or a meet director comes down to who do they rather wish to serve? An internet public of whom only a fraction even support the meets? Or the actual lifters and actual judges, who have little interest in accomodating the trashing of their efforts by strangers around the globe?
I love that thousands of meet (and training) videos are available for free on the web. I get fired up watching these. I learn from these. It’s like I get to go to meets all over the world over the last 30 years and see the best lifters doing their thing. Since the internet introduced me to powerlifitng, these videos were among my first training partners/coaches. The hip-cam videos I have seen (remember, with two to three side spotters and a judge, there is not much room get a good frame of the whole lifter), only show a bunch of legs and a canvas butt dropping down and coming back up (or not). They don’t inspire or teach because all you see is a thigh. They serve only one function- to tell us if the guy squatting hit depth- a moot point on Monday morning.
On the other hand, don’t you think it’s good for the sport and the lifters participating to have some outside eyes keeping credibility intact. I mean…the judges at the Pro/Am apparently missed that Hoff had a hoodie balled up under his bench shirt and Hoss and Wenning would have been out of some money had the “internet judges” not jumped all over it. It’s a well known fact (and big problem) that lifters get gifts at meets, especially when they happen to be friends with the meet director or someone related to the judges or when they are setting records. Look at the number of sheer gifts big name lifters have gotten in the past year and it’s pretty apparent that more transparent judging standards and more accountable judges are needed. [/quote]
Exactly. This is what I was hinting at about letting serious lifters see decent shots of the lifts.
There are lots of friends in powerlifting, and while that’s great in some ways, it creates a lot of conflict of interest.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
On the other hand, don’t you think it’s good for the sport and the lifters participating to have some outside eyes keeping credibility intact. I mean…the judges at the Pro/Am apparently missed that Hoff had a hoodie balled up under his bench shirt and Hoss and Wenning would have been out of some money had the “internet judges” not jumped all over it. It’s a well known fact (and big problem) that lifters get gifts at meets, especially when they happen to be friends with the meet director or someone related to the judges or when they are setting records. Look at the number of sheer gifts big name lifters have gotten in the past year and it’s pretty apparent that more transparent judging standards and more accountable judges are needed. [/quote]
It’s a trade-off for sure. But at the end of the day, I feel the greater good is served by letting judges judge and not promoting the sort of petty internet shit that made some lifters want that rule in the first place.
Bad meets happen. This is true. Personally, if me and my training partners felt like we’re getting fucked out of lifts at a meet, we would take our lifting elsewhere and we’ll tell our friends. If we think a given meet is a joke, we won’t support it and we’ll tell our friends. If we think a meet is great, we’ll come back and we’ll tell our friends.
Usually, for me, the judging is not an issue. If it’s a little stricter, I’m cool with it. If it’s a little looser, I’m cool with that too. The main issues for me are a well-run meet, good equipment, and good spotters. I’m much more obesessed with my own total then whether someone else got a gift.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
165StateChamp wrote:
Look at where the video is being taken from. You can’t judge depth on squat from the front. The only problem with his bench, if any, was the quick press commands. Quit griping.
Bollox. How’s the depth here; Belyaev Andrey squat 400kg, Cup of Titans 2007 - YouTube
The squats were high, camera angle or not.
I thought the benches looked pretty clean tho tbh.[/quote]
I agree 100%
Nick
Well I believe after reading all of this, is that, why do you need a fuckin camera when you have a gasp SIDE JUDGE! Look, after a lift has been passed or failed, I dont think that you can go and say to the table “well Id like to change my red light to a white” or vise fucking versa. You can make the internet judges happy, but it wont change the damn lift 4 days after the comp. If it did, Frankl would not have a world record total today!!! (exception of Hoff- the fucking asshole) I think that there should be no side taping- youll get in the way of the side judge and hinder him from doin his job- make sure legit lifts ger white lights, and make sure shitty lifts get red lights. Apperantly looking at shawns lift, The side judge just didnt want to do his damn job that night… And I dont give a flying fuck what you think either!
My husband competed and did well too. I’ve met and seen these guys lift. Frankl is freaky strong. In fact they call him Superfreak. Amazing strength. Funny thing is all these guys are staying relatively lean and still lifting heavy. Crazy!
I think this is the link to Aaron’s lifts.