Okay, I agree with you… is just that I have these pro hormones to sell in my store and in Brazil is hard to find a reliable source of win… let alone turninabol… but I ll try to find something “REAL” to stack with my test… I keep u posted and thanks again
Would you mind looking at a cycle I have proposed. It is a heavy cycle and high doses atleast in my opinion but, have some one offering to supply the gear (experiment has never known any one to run more than a gram of test and is not willing to do it himself) if I’ll run it so, why not. I’m a powerlifter with a secret bodybuilder trapped in side and am no newbie to gear use but none the less would you mind looking at it.
2g Test E (will supply the test if I run this dose or more could always lie and run less but, don’t see a point)
700mg Mast P
500mg Tren A
50mg Anadrol
10iu Humalog Pertaining while sipping on 100g of HBCD, 30G Pepto Pro, 10g Bcaa, 10g Eaa, 10g creatine
Goal is to add alot of size with as little fat as possible. I am in my building phase so lots of squatting, benching, a d deadlifting but a ton of volume revolved around bodybuilding moves after hesvy work. Id post pics but I’m covered in tats from basically neck to toe that makes me kinda stick out. I’m 5’8 225lbs with abs and visible vascularity in arms, shoulders, chest, obliques, hips and quads. Far from stage ready but I am not in horrible shape, diet is PERFECT 100% clean. Sleep roughly 6-7 hours a night. Wish I could get more but work close to 80 hours a week, train, and try to have a social life with my wife.
Any tips, critiques, or change?
how do you feel about peptides such as GHRP’s and the GHRH combos for people who cant afford or find quality hgh
Hi shadow i nead advice on PCT.
I’am on Cycle 10 weeks - i use 300mg test P and 300mg Tren A per week. I dont use any Al and i dont have problems with gyno.
Before that i use 8 weeks 250mg Test E on my cruise after competition.
I’am Blasting and <crusing for 1 year now and i want go off for 8-10weeks .
MY PCT PLAN : 1500iu HCG e3d for 2.5 weeks (start 3 days after last test shot)
Clomid 50mg for 2 weeks ( 7 days after last shot )
Nolva 20mg ED or Armidex 0.5 eod
Do i nead use nolva or Armidex if i dont have estrogen problems or gyno simptoms . Or just have in hand if estrogen lvl go UP.
I plan to have blood work 2 weeks after last shot. Any advice .?
I know it’s hard to get legit stuff. If you don’t have access, try your stuff and let me know how it goes. 1/10 is decent and has the dosing correct etc - you may get lucky.
This is a VERY heavy cycle. Unless you are a top level powerlifter and know exactly what you are doing, I probably wouldn’t go this route without regular blood labs and know how to deal with the sides that are going to show up (physically and mentally both). Off the top of my head - I don’t see any mention of AI, HCG, and if you are going to go for this, I’d add GH to at least get the synergy effect of high test and GH which can be great.
If anything I would lower the test and up the tren to a more 1:1 ratio to lower the sides.
No matter how you turn it, this is high…if you are going to go ahead as above, just do the test and mast as a balance and leave the tren out…with this much test, the tren wont do much at that dosing.
If you are using Humalog, definitely GH with it.
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Unfortunately they don’t do the same job. There isn’t much as far as recovery or growth…at the most GHRP6 is a good appetite enhancer if you are trying to gain size. I’m not huge on peptides generally, as they are rarely what they say they are…to put in in perspective REAL IGF1 costs more than real GH soooo when you’re getting it “cheaper” than GH, do you really think you are getting real IGF1?
First - you should use an AI regardless of gyno…it keeps your estrogen balanced when you take test.
Your PCT is fine -
I would change the HCG protocol to:
week 1: 1000/3 times per week, week 2: 750/3 times per week, week 3: 500/ 3 times per week, week 4: 250/3 times per week, week 5: 250/2 times per week
Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/10
Keep clomid the same
No need for arimadex
add 2 bottles of alpha male
Thanks man and I definitely agree it is a massive cycle. On top of being a massive cycle it is a HUGE jump in overall gear. Only reason even remotely considering it is the fact I do it for basically free. But, none the less I am a top 30 guy in my weight class as of this year and still have plenty of room to improve.
As for the AI i just figured it would be a given with this much haha. But, I have arimidex, letro, and Nolva on have along with the slight anti E property of Mast. Figured I’d start around .5mg of arimidex EOD. I am 100% ok dropping the tren I personally hate it any way but figured of I was gonna go all out I’d use it. But, I’ll gladly remove it and keep the mast. Growth I don’t really have access to any that is “legit” and hate to risk it but, I will look into getting a few kits atleast for the duration of this cycle.
Thx for answer. One more question ? Why you perfer Nolvadex over other Al ? If someone use nolva on cycle and PCT all year around , can be some side effects for healthy and liver , because nolva is toxic.
Seems you know what you’re doing…just keep it safe. Even if it’s free, not necessarily worth messing yourself up.
Take 20mg Nolvadex daily throughout the cycle to keep some balance. In these dosages, it’s a lot easier to do than messing with arimadex.
Nolvadex is not nearly as toxic as it’s reputation suggests - at 20mg per day, it will be less issue than taking 800mg of advil. It helps to prevent problems before they begin. I wrote about this pretty extensively in the first thread if you’d like more information.
Hello SP,
quick question. I see you like EQ and I do agree. It’s a wonderful gear. BUT, hematocrit for sure will be affected. What’s the limit from blood test which warns you it’s too high? And how can you help it to decrease? I find myself very sensitive wrt hematocrit and I need to monitor it
First of all, blood donation every few months will help lower it right away. Check your blood pressure regularly - if it’s going up, it can be a little red flag for you to go get your levels checked. Do blood labs every 6-8 weeks and if the numbers show it’s higher than the top end, go donate blood which will fix it.
thanks SP. We have a new blood donor today 
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Hi sorry for bad english but i’m 25 year old finnish guy and started
bodybuilding again i have lifted now 8 month’s managed to get 45pounds
weight. I’m bulking again and my cycle looks like this
Test 1 - 13 1000 - 1250mg
Deca 1 - 13 300 - 600mg
Tren 1 - 11 200 - 600mg
Igf1 lr3 1 - 4 100mcg
winstrol 2 - 6 350mg
Hgh 4 - 13 2 - 4iu
Anadrol 8 - 13 100 - 150mg
Cycle ends in cristmas week and i’m starting new cycle in january
i’m trying to get massive lean and my cycle plan looks like this. Is it solid ? Or should i change it somehow
Test 1 - 8 200mg
Tri Tren 1 - 8 600mg
Tren ace 1 - 8 200mg
Primo ace 1 - 8 1225mg
HGH - 4iu
I was on opioid rehab that ended 8 moth’s ago when i started lifting again. i lost all my muscle mass and my condition but managed to make ok foundation now. Here’s picture 8 month’s ago and condition 2 week ago before started anadrol
To be completely honest I’m at a bit of a loss as to how to help. Sounds like you have had quite a year - good for you getting yourself clean and back on track. That being said, I’m concerned that you are being equally as hard on your body as you were earlier this year…this cycle is really extreme. You have put on some musculature, but this cycle isn’t really appropriate for your goals and it doesn’t seem like your body is utilizing everything well.
You are also talking about taking a month off (not very long after such a crazy cycle) and then cutting down (using another intense cycle) - you don’t have enough muscle mass for that leaning out process - losing weight from this point will make you look skinny I think…looks aside completely, these two back to back cycles are really too much health-wise. You have done a great job getting through rehab - my best advice is get off everything, get onto a proper gaining diet and supplements, and daily hard training (you can learn everything from this site)…do this for a year and then come back and talk to me - I’ll help you with an appropriate cycle for you.
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ok. thank’s. Propably best just to keep plan a. trt dose of test and maybe littlebit boldenone.
I was worried about that if i start cutting too early that i look skinny because i’m 190cm long and naturally skinny guy. Thanks! 
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Hi Shadow
This thread is amazing, thank you so much for your time and commitment to your replies!
I am an AAS virgin.
I compete in weightlifting and these are my stats:
Age: 29
Height: 190cm
BW: ~120kg
BF: ~28%
Squat: 220kg
Dead: 250kg
Snatch: 140kg
Clean: 165kg
Jerk: 160kg
I have been spending the past year moving up to the +105kg weight category which has meant an increase from 102kg @ 15% bf to 120kg @~28% bf. Ive been training my nuts off all year and looks like ive gained no lean mass. I am good with my nutrition, macro targets are hit to +/-1g and I know how/why to adjust them in response to goals.
For the first time ever, I am considering a cycle.
To start I think T only would be smart, test my tolerance, see how I respond, learn to PCT properly etc. I want to use fast clearing compounds for testing purposes (dont want deca/dbol/eq hanging around for a year).
- Could you please give me your thoughts on the following basic cycle and the follow up questions?:
W - Full blood screen to establish baseline liver, TT, FT, FSH, LH, E2, HDL, LDL etc
W 1-2 T-Prop 100mg EOD
W 3-4 T-Prop 150mg EOD
W 5-8 T-Prop 200mg EOD
W 1-8 Adex 0.5mg EOD (+3 days after last T-Prop)
W 4-8 HCG 250iu 2x/wk
W 9-10 Nolva 20mg 2x/d (starting 3 days after last T-Prop)
W 11-12 Nolva 20mg/d
W 14+ Test TT, FT, E2
W 13-24 Off
- Do you think I would be as well doing a 12 week cycle?
- Do you think I should hold off the Adex untill sides develop?
- How would you include winny and tren in this protocol?
- What are your thoughts on waiting the duration of the cycle and pct (12 weeks in this case) before going on again? I have seen this as a general recovery recommendation.
- Do you think this PCT stands be in a good chance of retaining most of my gains?
- What are your thoughts on a 2on, 2off, 2on, 2off, 2on, 2off, 2on, 4off protocol with 200mg T-prop EoD and 50mg oral Winny ED? I saw something like this stickied in this forum as a lrotocol that requires no pct. Never seen anything like it and it sounds suspect, but if legit may align with longer term training goals while maintaining the ability to “come off” with a few weeks notice.
- Am I too fat to cycle? Its taken a lot of hard work and deliberate effort to gain any weight at all, especially while eating healthy foods, im not naturally heavy. This weight is however actually useful in my sport. Should I lean back up again before trying test? Is this really needed?
Thanks in advance, your insight is very helpful.
Hey SP, i remember you wrote about cutting all injections a week out pre-competition. I live in Turkey and am still on 300 mgs of human grade Turkish primo a week 10 days out of comp. I will either do my last injection a week out or 3 days out. Which strategy would you pick? Can legit primo still hold water? Or can a 3 days out primo injection make you look even fuller after carbing up without loosing the hardness? Thanks!