Thanks for the comment - grateful that it’s helpful.
Okay, I will follow your advice. This week I stopped with my oral, gonna stay 4-6 weeks using/injecting TEST only (200mg cypionate per week) and then I might put some boldenone and up the test for 600mg… keep you posted, once again THANKS 
All sounds good! Let me know if any other questions come up.
hey shadow pro, just got some bloods back from tren cycle and progesterone was at 4.5 (range <4.1) - everything else was within ranges except test levels- was not on pregnelone
questions are
- does tren raise prog levels? ive heard mixed answers on this
- should i be worried about my levels ?
- is winny the only way to lower progesterone?
- is having a slightly elevated progesterone a good thing ???
google could have answered most of these questions but id rather hear your answers
- It doesn’t happen always but yes it can.
- it’s not super high - did you use caber and a regular AI during your cycle? If you did maybe try a different one and if you didn’t, those should solve this pretty quickly.
- nope
- nope
Thanks for the reply
I used caber at the tail end of the cycle and used Ai , I had bloods mid cycle and it was .5 higher , so maybe the caber did lower it , I was under the impression caber didn’t lower prog only prolactin ? That’s just what I’ve read though …
So what can i do to lower my prog?
Appreciate the help
So, to ask the obv, did you compete in the O?
How long ago were those blood tests taken, what doses of AI did you use and what kind? How long?
Caber does lower prolactin, but when you use tren it can increase prog and prolactin…the sides you mentioned could be from this
the last bloods were taken 2 weeks ago
test 49.4 (range 8-30)
free test 1430 (range 170-500)
prolactin <7 (range 45-375)
oestradiol <60 (range<150)
progesterone 4.5 (range <4.1)
was running 400mg test p, 400mg tren a
a month into the cycle i was using 40mg nolva and e2d 1/4 tab of letro (2.5mg)
i was hoping this would battle some previous gyno
it helped alot so i tapered down to 20mg nolva a day after dropping the letro
First of my mind is blown with the Knowledge, time, passion and generosity you have shown on this thread so I think I speak For everyone when I say thank you!! I do have a question though… What do you think about the use of metformin in a cycle? Pros and Cons?
You just need more time - you did all the right things.
Keep the antiestrogen in for another 3 weeks and then redo your blood work.
Update here after then.
Thank you for the kind words.
I’m not a big fan of metformin - it has it’s place in some cycles, mostly for people who want to add mass without the use of insulin. It can also help you eat more and it can give a decent pump…it also seems that for a lot of people using it they don’t gain fat as readily if diet slip ups happen in comparison to insulin (this is relative - you’ll still gain fat but in comparison to insulin, it’s less).
All in all if I had to choose, I would just use Humalog and keep my diet perfect - better pump, better results in terms of gaining mass, and easier to control since it’s in and out of your system in 4 hours…metformin seems to have a lot of spikes even when technically it is supposed to be out of your system.
thanks for you help again, i also added in low dose winstrol and that seams to be helping alot aswell
i will see how i go
Hey shadow I have a few questions for you. I’m an aspiring men’s physique competitor and looking to hopefully make a career out of it. I’m 20 years old and have yet to use anything over than supplements and was wondering:
- At what age did you start using?
- Should I begin using and if so what would you recommend as a basic beginning stack? Just Test?
I am googling and googling so I think I know the answer already buuuut…
Can you take just plain DHT?
Can Masteron replace Test in TRT or for a normal cycle? It’s nothing I plan on doing but I am curious.
For goals in men physique - you look great for 20. Your size is decent and you are still young and can work on shape and proportion with very little drug usage. Honestly because of your young age and the way you look, I’d likely postpone this for another year or 2 and make the most out of diet, training and supplements (Plazma, Indigo, Micro PA, etc…I assume you take these?). Even when you do begin, since you want to compete in Physique, I’d look only a hardening agent (masterone, anavar, winstrol), an anti-E (proviron), low dose of prop or suspension test…you don’t need much more size for this cateogory, you just want to be hard and proportionate.
When you are ready to start, come here again and I’ll give you exact dosages etc.
Don’t do yourself a disservice and start too soon - you have room to grow as you are and you have plenty of time. [quote=“azphysique, post:720, topic:209438, full:true”]
Hey shadow I have a few questions for you. I’m an aspiring men’s physique competitor and looking to hopefully make a career out of it. I’m 20 years old and have yet to use anything over than supplements and was wondering:
- At what age did you start using?
- Should I begin using and if so what would you recommend as a basic beginning stack? Just Test?
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Hello @Shadow_Pro , I was just wondering how you would train (set,reps,etc) and cycle if your goal
was to add as much muscle mass as possible in the off season ?
hey SP, how is it going brother? Listen, it´s been 4 weeks since I decreased my test to 200mg/week… one more like this and I intend to triple it and put something else together… I am not sure if mentioned that before, but I own a supplement store here in Brazil… so I have “easy” acess to supps in a good price… last week I got some PRE HORMONES from DYNAMIC FORMULAS… have you heard about those? What do you think? My idea would be to combine the ALPHA-M1 (methyl-1-etiocholenolol-epietiocholanolone) with my test cypionate… any thoughts? Thank you for all the help!
Hey there - read through my first thread where I did have some info about this, but this is a steroid forum and I can’t get into training questions here. There are several other great forums on this site which are training specific - take a look through.
I’m not a huge believer in pre hormones as the companies often don’t say exactly what is in the bottle and the ingredients, although they can be decent, have little reliability as to what they are and dosages. If you use juice normally, why not just do that - add oral turninabol or winstrol or something similar?