You’re really welcome - glad it’s of help.
I would start HCG now - 250 iu twice per week and as you come off, roughly 10 days after, up it to 500 twice per week for 4 weeks.
As for Nolva - depends on how bad your gyno is - you can go 5 weeks once you begin PCT - maybe 60/40/40/20/20
I need to see photos to answer the question about the Letro - repost with a few and I’ll give you some feedback there.
Go through 2 full bottles of alpha male and utilize curcumin and Flameout as well - all really helpful and honestly I use them all year round for general health and recovery.
Eat enough to keep your muscle and not enough to gain fat - super individual and difficult question to answer.
Hey - if you want to keep lean and control water retention, you may want to consider oral Turenibol instead of DBol.
You’ve done your homework and are pretty much on point with most of it (I can see you’ve been reading my stuff) - but I will say that considering you’re only 23 that’s quite a cycle you’re into. Saying that, you probably want to throw in some health support supps as you’re going hard at a young age (curcumin, Flameout, superfood, rhodiola, etc can all help).
I can’t answer your diet questions - 1. without pictures and 2. this is a steroid forum …there are diet forums on here to throw those questions at if you’d like.
If you post pics I can give you a little better direction with the drug usage as well FYI.
Thanks for your reply, I will look into those support supps and integrate them into my daily diet.
My pictures didn’t load the last time so I hope these will.
Hey Shadow, long time no see (read? whatever)
Sorry if you’ve already discussed it, but what’re your thoughts on Levrone coming back for the O this year? Dude’s looking pretty gnarly and improving fast!
Hey man - you look pretty good - lean and hard. As I said, you obviously did your homework. My only feedback is that at 23, this amount of drugs you should probably look a bit bigger. I’m not sure if your training isn’t intense enough but I’d like to see 5-7 more lbs in this condition to justify this amount of drugs. Look into the supplements I mentioned to protect yourself, train a little heavier/harder to increase your thickness and density (remember drugs don’t do the work for you).
Hey man - it’s an ambitious experiment he’s doing that’s for sure. I give him mad respect for it - especially at his age. He looks great and seems to be improving - how he’ll hold up against the next generation it’s hard to say without actually seeing them side by side. Do I think he’ll win the O, probably not, but I’m still really excited to see him up there.
Awesome body dude nice
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Thanks for your advice. I’ll up my intensity a bit more during workouts.
One more question, just curious. You might have answered this allready but do you take any sleep aids or supplements apart from ZMA?
yeah I’d agree with all of that. I don’t really care about his placing, I’m just really interested to see what those herculean genetics of his can produce at his age.
Absolutely - I use a coctail of Z12 (3-4 caps before bed…it’s a life saver for my when I’m on a heavy cycle to be able to sleep), ZMA (3 caps), and with my last meal I usually have 3 Flameout - it improves my sleep quality a bit I find.
Agree! He showed that he has crazy genetics when he was younger - if he can be competitive in any way at this age, it’s amazingly impressive!
Hi Shadow Pro,
I have done two cycles, my first cycle was 12 weeks test only and second was 12 weeks test + 4 weeks dbol.
Im currently on week 6 of my 3rd cycle running 500mg test, 600mg equipose + dbol kickstart 40mg for 4 weeks.
My plan is to get bloodwork done around week 10 and if everything looks good do a cycle of 16 weeks.If not I’ll just just cut the cycle at week 10/12.
During both of my last cycles the gains started tapering of around week 10 and as i understand this is quite common.
I was wondering if its beneficial to increase the test dosage to perhaps 650-700 / week around this point in the cycle (week 6), or later in the cycle, to make sure the gains keeps up throughout the later end of the cycle as well (assuming everything looks good around week 10). I’ve read around and got missed signals about receptors being non responsive and that it would do more harm than good so i would love your professional opinion.
If this is not recomended, would you recomend any other cycle finisher?
Im 26 and this will be the last cycle i run for at least a year.
Thank you!
Hey would you mind posting a current picture - I can give much better advice. In general if you get stuck, I usually up the dosage throughout the cycle. Also are you using HCG - this will help you not to get stuck.
Hey Shadow. I spent the last couple days reading through all of your original thread and as much of the new stuff as possible to try and avoid covering old ground…I’d love to get your input on my situation.
I’m 37 years old, lifetime athlete, Olympic lifter in college (competed at 80kg), turned endurance and adventure athlete post. This year I weighed in just under 140 and decided it was time to make a change. I started lifting again and put on 15 pounds in the first three months naturally. Shortly after that I went on TRT at 200mg/ml, did that for about 5 months, bumped it up to 200 every 5 days for another month, and the past month I’ve been running 600mg/week. I’m currently sitting at 165 and around 13% bodyfat. The 600mg has certainly felt like a boost but not mind bending given I’ve been running a solid trt dose for the past 8 months.
I’d like to get to a hard 180-185 and, assuming I am going to continue going with a boost, I’d like to do things right and not just do “test only” because that’s what “they” say to do on forums. I’d love to get your input. I’m willing to consider options that include GH, particularly now at 37. Right now I’m just not sure whether to continue with the 600mg test and add in something simple like anavar, ditch some of the test in place of masteron, , keep it the same add masteron, etc, etc. A bodybuilding friend of mine suggested adding in EQ, but I’m not sure if I’m lean enough to bulk and go down that road. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
HEY SP! How have you been my friend? It´s been a while since my last post but I am still following the thread … You have helped me a lot in the past and I really wanna know your opinion on this:
I am about to turn 41 in a month. I feel good and my body is better than ever (considering mass-definition-hardness). I was heavier in the past, but definetely not with the same “condition” I am right now. I really don´t see any reasons to do any kind of PCT anymore… I was thinking about alternate between a “real 8-10 weeks cycle” and a “cruise” of 12-16 weeks with some kind of test only.
I saw an article here at T-NATION and I wanna know your input about (to do on my CRUISE weeks):
Last question, I promisse!! My wife was taking metenolone… boy, she gained 10 solid poudns of muscle in 4 weeks… BUT we had to stop because she started to have liver issues… I read a lot before decide to give her that… and all the info I found was that it is a good choice for women and its hepatotixicty would be low (she was taking the oral version 20mg/day). Also her voice started to change a little bit … I know you have to deal with sides when you decide to take steroids, but it surprised me for all I have read about metenolone concerning liver and voice issues… anyway, she kept most of the gains but we would like to try it again late in the year… for liver I know we can use the same medications I used when I took methandrostenolone last Feb… but, is there anything we can try to “block” these voice issues??
Thanks in advance.
Hey great post - really specific, to the point, and well thought out.
First of all congrats on the return to lifting…way to escape that nasty cardio world 
I would probably suggest cleaning up your diet if it’s not clean already and get down to 10% body fat and then begin a cycle from there. A light/moderate cycle for the goals you mentioned could look something like:
test E 600-750mg per week (start with the 6 you’re at and then bump to 750 for the last 6 weeks - assuming a 12 week cycle)
Masteron prop - 150mg every other day or 75 per day (if you don’t like daily shots you can go mast E once per week at 450-600 but it’s not as efficient)
Anavar - 60-80mg per day for 6-8 weeks
Dont forget HCG and Nolvadex throughout - prob 10-20mg Nolv daily, and 250 HCG twice per week
If you can afford GH it’s a blessing - 4iu per day is a minimum for fat burning and well being purposes, 6iu if you want to see muscular benefit
Hello my friend,
Good to hear from you again - I tend to agree with no PCT with you - I know your cycles and history and they aren’t super heavy. If kids are a non issue at this point, I don’t see a problem if you want to cruise and blast. Just be sure to do regular blood work to keep an eye on everything and if something is off, take care of it.
I wouldn’t say that the smartest choice for a female to take is metenolone…I have seen a lot of issues in the past. I would stick to oxandrolone. The voice change is individual - some are impacted more than others…and from my experience is normally reversible. Just ensure the cycle is not involving other compounds (are you certain you’re getting what you think you’re getting).
I’ll try to get to the article shortly - sorry I don’t have an answer right now.
Perfect! Thanks for such a quick reply Please, when you have a an opinion on that article let me know… I talked to some brazilian bodybuilders and they say it is a waste of time… some doctors I know say the opposite way
I listened to the video and honestly I don’t buy it. I have done thousands of shots and all of them when it comes to test were intramuscular…I tried a few under the skin and didn’t seem to make a difference. I think it’s mostly marketing - especially when most body builders take much higher dosing than what they give you in HRT/TRT. Even if I go ahead with the idea that it may be more efficient in terms of it’s elapsed time/peaking, it is still pretty negligible. This idea isn’t new and there is a reason it pops in and out of discussion rather than being adapted as the norm.
Thanks! So helpful. I really appreciate you taking the time to look at our individual situations and give tailored responses. It’s a privilege to have you on here.