Shadow Pro Q&A 4.0

wenbin · August 16, 2015, 5:40am

Hi ! Currently doing second cycle of test e , deca and dbol.
wk 1-3 750mg test e
wk 5-15 500mg test e
wk 1-4 dbol 50mg ed
wk 8-12 dbol 50mg ed
wk 1-10 400mg deca EW

PCT: wk 17-wk25 of nolva 20mg ED

can u please critique my cycle? Thanks !

ginston · August 16, 2015, 4:41pm

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ginston wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ginston wrote:
Hi shadow…wanted to ask a few brief questions. In the process of planning my next cycle. cycle will be a bulking cycle. Firstly im considering adding EQ to the cycle mainly for increased appetite and vascularity. do you rate EQ? as it seems to get mixed opinions. Never ran it myself. so curious to you opinion on it? if i add it. it would be ran around 750mg for around 16 weeks+ along with test and tren ace and oxys.

second question is about insulin. Also considering addinf some insulin into next cycle. would be first time running insulin. i understand it needs to be treated with respect and ran properly or it can be dangerous im doing as much research on insulin use as i can. what would be an ideal dosage in your opinion and do you prefer pre or post workout? would be using humalog and trying to workout the best pre or post workout nutrition around the insulin use. any help would be appreciated. i was going to go with around 8-10g carbs per iu. do you think in your opinion insulin use makes a big difference to a cycle and the effectiveness of gains etc.

last question was about HGH will be running this on next cycle (and beyond). what is the ideal time to take HGH in your opinion? thinking of starting around 6iu and working up if i can. any help surrounding insulin and HGH would be highly appreciated. Many thanks as always shadow…[/quote]

The EQ combined with the cycle you mentioned can be a great mass cycle. What dosages are you planning for the other compounds?

Can you post a current picture. If you’re lean enough (~10%) then it might be something to consider but if not I would stay away from insulin. If you decide to do it start with nothing more than 5iu pre workout and build it up from there. GH is always a great idea. For mass gaining purposes use it pre & post workout in equal dosages.
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dosage wise I was thinking…
test e 750mg ew
EQ 750mg ew
tren ace 100mg ed
dbol 60mg ed or oxy 100mg ed

sure will post up a picture now.
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You look good! I would do the EQ at 1g/week (you will get better benefits from eq at a higher dosage) you seem advanced so this is a reasonable dosage for you. You will have better appetite and it will help with mass. If you’re planning on running a long cycle for 16 weeks and everything is going well then I would probably bump up the test to 1000mg and the eq to 1200 mid cycle.
I would also suggest running tren-e (600-700mg/week) rather than tren-a for a mass cycle. Dbol will have better synergy here with the tren compared to oxy. Run it for 6 weeks and slowly taper up 10 mg / week (start at 40)
I would run nolva at 20mg/day for the whole cycle and HCG 250 2x/week.

You’re pretty lean so you can give the insulin a shot. Start with 5iu preworkout and start sipping on the Plazma immediately after injections. 70g of carbs from Plazma. If it’s going well you can bump it up to 10iu preworkout and the Plazma up to 120. Use it preworkout and use Humalog ONLY.

Since you’re using GH for mass purposes I would do 3iu pre(60min before insulin), 3iu post and 3iu before bed - if affordable. The combination of the GH and insulin if timed correctly will release igf1 while you’re training and this is something you want.
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Thank you for the advice…im going to go with 1g test, 1g eq, dbol at 60mg+ed never ran tren e only ever ran tren a and tren base both very productive cycle but will look into using tren e to cut down on pins and make it more affordable. i agree on the dbol tren synergy. i love this combo ran it 4 times now and always been fantastic!

I plan on doing my first competition end of next year possibly a ukbff show or something (nervous lol). Giving myself close to a full year to add some quality mass and work on weak areas before going into prep for the comp…so any and all advice from you is hugely appreciated.

insulin and gh will be new to the next cycle so hoping it will help give my cycle a little boost over previous cycles.

With regards to the pre workout insulin shot…I’ve read it can be more dangerous than lost workout but more beneficial. what is your views on this? and any advice on either would be great. 70g carbs with the 5iu how much protein would you say is ideal i was thinking around 50g?

oceanw0lf · August 16, 2015, 8:11pm

Hey Shadow, I have read several out of your threads and what you do for the community is simply amazing.

Have a few quick questions…
If you are going to pin a muscle that you are going to train the same day, do you prefer to do the injection before or after the workout? Pinning glutes on a legday for example.

Also…
I know that the timing is important as for HGH and insulin, but do you inject at a specific time of the day when it comes to steroids or does it even matter? Talking about long esters mainly.

Greetings from Sweden!

Silverback17 · August 17, 2015, 12:17am

Hey Shadow!

Great Post and awesome information man! Couple of questions but before here is some info.

Background: Im 6â??1â?? and 229lbs, arms only 17 1/4", legs only 26 1/4â??. Been in highly competitive sports my entire life and competed at D1 levels. My focus on building muscle has always been of great interest but because of my choice of sport I needed to stay closer to 170lbs. The past few years have given me the opportunity to dive deeper into lifting and visit with nutritionist, lifting coaches to develop the fundamentals. The past 12mths been hardcore & intense and I have picked up about 25lbs of muscle and dropped a decent amount of fat. I brought back heavy (relative to my world) & core lifts such as deadlift, squat & bench back into the equation. My weight went from 215 to 233 on my last cycle & hit all my personal best. Always open for improvement but after training with a few bodybuilders & strength coaches my lifting technique is atleast solid. Utilizing heavy weights in core lifts and polishing with lighter volume lifts to balance the blood flow in the muscle. I consider myself to have a lot of room to improve when it comes to cycle knowledge and also believe my muscles have a lot of room for growth.

Personal Best: Squat 1x405, Deadlift 1x495, Bench 5x315, seated Barbell Shoulder Press 8x185

Supplements (Everyday Dosage)
20-30gmâ??s BCAA , 20G’s Creatine, 20gm’s Glutamine, B-Complex, Multivitamin/Mineral

Typical Diet: Varies between 6-8Meals per day. (2-3 Cheat Meals on Weekend)
Candidly I admit I havenâ??t been tracking my carbs as close as it sounds like i should be. I have not experimented with changing my carbs from workout to non workout days.
Meal 1: Total 506 cal & 56 protein: 6x Egg Whites + 2-3oz 99% Ground turkey & 1 1/2 cup Oatmeal
Meal 2: Myoplex 42 Protein, 300 Cal & 60 Fat
Meal 3: Cilantro Turkey & 1 Cup Rice 450 Cal, 140 Fat & 37 Protien
Meal 4: Chicken & Rice 470 Cal, 100 Fat & 49 Protein
Meal 5: Shake 60gms Protein, 300 Cal & 60 Fat
Meal 6: 7oz Breaded Pork, Roll & Green Beans
Meal 7: 6oz Chicken & 1 1/2 cup Pasta

Historical Cycles
Baseline: 7 Yrs HRT 200mg Test Cyp every 5 days
Cycle #1: Anavar Only
Cycle #2: 1-12 Wks 400Mg Test Cyp
Cycle #3: 1-4 Wks 20MG DBol, 1-12 Wks 400Mg Wk Test Cyp & 4-12 Wks Anavar
Cycle #4: 1-12 Wks 600Mg Test Cyp Only GHRP6/Somerlin 10mcg 3xPer Day
Cycle #5
1-12 Wks 600Mg Test Cyp
1-12 Wks 200Mg Deca
1-14 Wks 400Mg Tren E
1-14 Wks GHRP6/Somerlin 20mcg 3xPer Day
1-14 Wks 1MG Arimidex

Weekly Workout Plan
Cardio: 2 x25Min Week
Lifting Day 1: Back (18-20 Sets) includes deadlifts 2x8 & 3x5 & Bi’s (9-12 Sets)
Lifting Day 2: Chest (16-18 Sets) & Tri’s (9-12 Sets)
Lifting Day 3: Legs (18-20 Sets) includes Squats 2x10 & 3x5, Calves & Abs (9 sets each)
Lifting Day 4: Shoulders (15-18 sets) & Traps (6-9 sets) & Small Bi/Tri (6-9 sets) if needed

Goals:

Continue to add lean muscles mass to 250lbs & decrease body fat.
While staying proportional I would like to develop my arms to apx 20"
While staying proportional I would like to develop my legs to apx 30"
Others?

Questions:

Any candid feedback in any area you are willing to provide?
Given a brief overview I would be very interested in your feedback on my next proposed cycle below? I have not found a solid resource for GH and by no means am i asking for any. I only state this as it looks to be a key ingredient based on your other post.
Next Proposed Cycle:
1-14 Wks 800Mg Test Cyp
1-7 Wks DBol 30MG Day
1-14 Wks 200Mg Deca
1-14 Wk 400Mg Tren E
1-14 Wk GHRP6/Somerlin 20mcg 3xPer Day
1-14 Wk 10MG ED Nolvadex
Anything else I should change or add?
Should I add a fat burning supplement such as HotRoxs unless this has changed. Perhaps Clen or T3. Thoughts?
Can you inject Peptides IM & should you?
Injection Sites: Quads, Glutes, Deltoidsâ?¦Anywhere else?

Chapeloere · August 17, 2015, 1:07pm

Hey,

How do you cycle insuline. 4 weeks on 4 weeks off?

Thx

Tamojin · August 17, 2015, 11:31pm

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tamojin wrote:
Hi Shadow,
Test Enanthate 250mg/ml. I’ve run two cycles before it. First one was Test Enan 250mg/wk which produced good results. For the second one (back in 2013), I went for Test E 500mg/wk and at week 8, I added EQ 300mg/wk which I suppose was fake as it didn’t do anything at all. Proviron 50mg/day was added along with daily Nolva at 10mg. Low libido towards the end of the cycle was evident and I ran a 16 week cycle which in my opinion was ruined by the fake EQ, however, mid-cycle I could squat 448lbs at a bodyweight of 143lbs and half squat 560lbs, deadlift 450lbs. Didn’t max on bench due to an injured rotator. I am talking about olympic weightlifting squats here.

Now, I’m planning for a third cycle and thinking about doing 600mg/wk (single pin week 1-16) and Anavar 50mg/day (week 1-10) and looking forward to somewhat clean gains with lesser water retention.

Now if I get my hands upon legit Deca, can I go for Test E 250mg/wk and Deca 200-250mg/wk along with Anavar if any or should I stick with Test and Deca only? There is a concern with Gyno as well as AIs are pretty expensive here and I have to rely upon Nolva only. Never had problems with PCT though (Got away with no Clomid at all in the previous cycles).

I am emphasizing upon single pin as I have to inject myself and its easier for me to inject into quads than glutes so its less sore when I am ready to hit the same quad again. Also if no legit Deca or Anavar is available, should I go for Test E 600mg/wk only? I’m also on a hunt for Clen, if I get any, is it advisable to use it with Test E since day one?

At the moment my bw is 181lbs with a bit higher BF but lately been doing some serious heavy bag work along with burpees and 500-1000 push ups every other day. Used to squat a couple of months ago but a foot injury kept me from it since then. Recovered now and thinking about hitting weights once again. My squat score was 400 bw squats in 20 mins and 1000 in 50-60 mins.

Diet is way lesser than normal at the moment. The last month, it was 17 hours of fasting with as little diet as possible, one protein shake after 500-1000 push up workout but I’m doing quite fine till now. Never cared much about diet and sleep throughout my life even when I was lifting that much weight (Only 4 liquid egg whites before and 4-6 after the workouts and two whole eggs in breakfast along with 100-200 grams of poultry during meals). Looking forward to buying some protein supps, somewhat taking care of my diet and sleeping at least 6-8 hours a day during this cycle. Looking forward to your advice about the cycle.[/quote]

I wouldn’t do 1 pin a week, I think you should divide it into a minimum of 2 and I wouldn’t run the anavar for more than 8 weeks tops! If you want lean gains and want to stay hard I wouldn’t use deca at all. Nolva is fine to use throughout the whole cycle. 20mg/day should do the job.

If you aren’t trying to diet down I wouldn’t use Clen. 600mg/week of test only divided into 2 injections is okay for a basic cycle but the combination with anavar would be better.

You need to be more focused on your exact goals of the cycle you’re planning and that way you can be more decisive. More than anything I think your diet needs to be looked at, it’s very bad. I would suggest hiring someone to help here because diet alone can hinder your progress significantly.
Plazma should be a staple for your diet and same goes for indigo. Getting a lot of sleep is also something very important so I would trying to get all of these variables together before starting a cycle.[/quote]

Thanks a lot for the reply.

I’ve been trying to take some care of my diet and sleep lately.

I have decided to stick to Test E and Anavar cycle. 600mg/wk test and 80mg/day Anavar. The bloke was offering some Eq as well, do you think its of any use as I have already injected test on Sat. Should I vary the dosage of Test and pin Eq as well if its legit?

My goal is to get as clean gains as possible without looking bigger, in fact leaner with the same or even a bit lesser bodyweight.

This is why want to add clen to the cycle. And according to the 8-week Aanvar advice, now it should be

Test E (wk 1-12) 600 mg/wk

Anavar (wk 1-8) 80 mg/day

Nolvadex 20mg/day throughout the cycle (or can Arimidex be a better choice during the cycle 0.5 mg/day?)

Eq???

Clen???

TeamNeverHome · August 18, 2015, 4:38am

currently coming up to week 3 of being on test prop 150mg EOD, not to sure about quality of the test prop though as its week three and im getting no increases in pumps or libido or any changes ( bodyweights up 5kg) , have managed to get my hands on two vials of pharma grade test e. also want to switch because of less pinning.

can you help me how do I go about switching from test p to test e? should I stop pct then run test e or can I just stop test p and do my 10 week test e 500mg/week cycle as planned?

have arimidex on hand haven’t needed yet though. also have nolva for pct 40/40/20/20

got bloods done after week 1 on cycle because was unsure but they are being useless and still waiting to give them back to me.

tofmik · August 18, 2015, 2:41pm

Hi Shadow,

I went through the older threads and I want to ask you what would you like better for strength.

test-e and then you mention that anadrol and dbol together both on low dosage is better then higer dosage one of them or just use halo? which you like better then anadrol?

Thank you

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 4:59pm

[quote]Reficx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Reficx wrote:
Hi Shadow,

Really appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to answer our question.

Here’s my stats as I feel they are relevant to my questions:
Age 22 (recently).
Weight: 200lbs (12% BF as accurately as I can measure) down from 220lbs.
Height - 5"9
Currently natural - training solid/learning nutrition for 2 1/2 years. Trained before this but on and off with bad knowledge.
My weight was 154lbs around 13-14% in January 2013 so I feel I’ve made good progress.

I want to do a show next year or the year after, most likely the year after because of studies. My aim is the bodypower Junior show (I’ll still be 23). Should I compete this natural and see how I favour or do a light cycle?
I was thinking of doing my first cycle around September 2016, bulk, take time off, then back on for the show in 2017. That okay?
I feel weird posting a picture of myself on here, but even more asking someone to take the picture so based on purely numbers - have I made good progress thus far?
Should I hire a coach for the show if I can afford to? Also for the offseason before the show?
My passion is for bodybuilding, looking powerful, the posing etc. it’s a great art form. But I’m concerned about health implications. If my body was capable of going to a high standard I’d like to do that but I worry I’d get stuck in a deep web of bad decisions/choices to win a show. What’s your opinion on this? Can you be in a relatively good health if you’re smart about it?[/quote]

It’s hard for me to give you a proper answer to your question without seeing you. I know some people are nervous about posting pictures but you don’t need to include your face.

All of your questions would vary depending on the actual amount of muscle mass you have, the body fat you actually have (most people underestimate), structure, diet, supplementation etc.

Hiring a good coach is always a great idea. As long as you’re doing things slowly and intelligently without overdoing it and maximize your natural abilities first then use of PEDs can be relatively safe. There’s always risks but as you can see a lot of pros are in good health and live to tell about it. (And some are just idiots)

If you keep this thought process you will be better off - perfect training, perfect diets, perfect supplementation and lastly drugs. Not being greedy and rushed is the key. If you want to post a picture I can give you more specifics.[/quote]

Thanks for getting back to me!

I made a typo beforehand, I started around 11-12% at 154lbs January 2013.
Now my bodyfat I guess 14-16%… I have no idea.

I’ve taken some pictures, I had no one to ask to take them for me so they aren’t great. I know people say this but I don’t think the pictures do much justice. In May I started a cut and went from 220-200 in 2 1/2 months roughly. Been recomping for the past 3-4 weeks and now I’ll be cutting again for 6-8 weeks… see where I’m at. Last year I was “beach lean” at 182, so anything larger than that I’ll be happy.

Look a little bloated in these pictures because it’s a high carb day (carb cycling starting 2-3 days ago), and if I’m honest I’ve been pretty bad with the diet last 3-4 weeks and it shows…I tried to get my legs in but it was difficult with the angle but they are my best bodypart and I just need to emphasis more on my hamstrings to match my quads. Body composition will change drastically in the next 4-6 weeks so I’ll try to get another picture then… should have a tan too lol.

My goal would be to compete at 190-200, 2 years from now… natural or enhanced.
Sorry for my paleness lol.
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Hi,

I would suggest that you work on lowering your body fat before considering any cycle. You’re correct in assuming that you’re about 16% body fat and I would probably try to get down to around 10 before starting.

Hiring a coach is also a good idea. Based on that I’ve read in your post it seems like you are very unsure about what you’re doing so it’s a good idea to have someone with experience looking over you especially since this is going to be your first show. There are some good coaches around, even on this site you can find some. Do a bit of research into the idea and you’ll be much better off.

I don’t like the word bulk. Even when you’re trying to gain new muscle I wouldn’t go over 10-11% bf. Diet, training and cardio should all be perfect to keep body fat low and gain quality muscle and not just water and fat.

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:01pm

[quote]Reficx wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Reficx wrote:
Hi Shadow,

Really appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to answer our question.

Here’s my stats as I feel they are relevant to my questions:
Age 22 (recently).
Weight: 200lbs (12% BF as accurately as I can measure) down from 220lbs.
Height - 5"9
Currently natural - training solid/learning nutrition for 2 1/2 years. Trained before this but on and off with bad knowledge.
My weight was 154lbs around 13-14% in January 2013 so I feel I’ve made good progress.

I want to do a show next year or the year after, most likely the year after because of studies. My aim is the bodypower Junior show (I’ll still be 23). Should I compete this natural and see how I favour or do a light cycle?
I was thinking of doing my first cycle around September 2016, bulk, take time off, then back on for the show in 2017. That okay?
I feel weird posting a picture of myself on here, but even more asking someone to take the picture so based on purely numbers - have I made good progress thus far?
Should I hire a coach for the show if I can afford to? Also for the offseason before the show?
My passion is for bodybuilding, looking powerful, the posing etc. it’s a great art form. But I’m concerned about health implications. If my body was capable of going to a high standard I’d like to do that but I worry I’d get stuck in a deep web of bad decisions/choices to win a show. What’s your opinion on this? Can you be in a relatively good health if you’re smart about it?[/quote]

It’s hard for me to give you a proper answer to your question without seeing you. I know some people are nervous about posting pictures but you don’t need to include your face.

All of your questions would vary depending on the actual amount of muscle mass you have, the body fat you actually have (most people underestimate), structure, diet, supplementation etc.

Hiring a good coach is always a great idea. As long as you’re doing things slowly and intelligently without overdoing it and maximize your natural abilities first then use of PEDs can be relatively safe. There’s always risks but as you can see a lot of pros are in good health and live to tell about it. (And some are just idiots)

If you keep this thought process you will be better off - perfect training, perfect diets, perfect supplementation and lastly drugs. Not being greedy and rushed is the key. If you want to post a picture I can give you more specifics.[/quote]

Thanks for getting back to me!

I made a typo beforehand, I started around 11-12% at 154lbs January 2013.
Now my bodyfat I guess 14-16%… I have no idea.

I’ve taken some pictures, I had no one to ask to take them for me so they aren’t great. I know people say this but I don’t think the pictures do much justice. In May I started a cut and went from 220-200 in 2 1/2 months roughly. Been recomping for the past 3-4 weeks and now I’ll be cutting again for 6-8 weeks… see where I’m at. Last year I was “beach lean” at 182, so anything larger than that I’ll be happy.

Look a little bloated in these pictures because it’s a high carb day (carb cycling starting 2-3 days ago), and if I’m honest I’ve been pretty bad with the diet last 3-4 weeks and it shows…I tried to get my legs in but it was difficult with the angle but they are my best bodypart and I just need to emphasis more on my hamstrings to match my quads. Body composition will change drastically in the next 4-6 weeks so I’ll try to get another picture then… should have a tan too lol.

My goal would be to compete at 190-200, 2 years from now… natural or enhanced.
Sorry for my paleness lol.
[/quote]

Don’t get too caught up in the numbers that you’re planning to see on the scale. Bodybuilding is an illusion and real quality stage muscle takes time to grow. If you gain weight too fast it’s mostly water and fat and this won’t contribute to you in anyway. It will more likely hurt you because you are only in the beginning stages of bodybuilding.

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:01pm

[quote]veniceboy wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]veniceboy wrote:
Hey shadow

Do u agree with my following GH protocol:

3 iu AM on empty stomach (Subq)
2.5-3 iu preworkout (IM or Subq)
2.5-3 iu postworkout (IM or Subq)
3 iu pre bed (IM or Subq -especially for weak bodyparts)

All saizen pharma grade…[/quote]

This is an excellent protocol if you can afford it. 12iu of pharma is not cheap.

I would stick to subq in the AM and before bed and IM pre and post workout.
[/quote]

Cool, thank you. I worked in the pharma industry, so i got access to the real shit.
36iu of saizen cost me around 600$… Damn i need to rob a bank, lol. But im cool with it, a few iu’s of GH gives me more than the hottest designer clothes or something like that.
What brand of gh do u use?
[/quote]

My favorite brand of GH is Serostim.

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:02pm

[quote]Restart wrote:
Grateful for your service here. Your thoughtful replies to flippant, even disrespectful posts when you started here -speaks volumes.

Goal; Lean gains (of course). Sick of the puffiness from Test cyp + Anastrozole even while on keto and cutting.
Questions;

Should I switch to Test P and Exemestane while in a country for 3 weeks where roids are freely available?
Add D-bol to bump progress and avoid lipid problem increase?
Will switching off Anastrozole and switching from cypionate help my cholesterol?

Gym; 10 years, 4+ years bodybuilding Ã?Â¢?? 2 years heavy compounds + 2 years Serge Nubret pump training from this site. 6 days lifting, no cardio, hill sprint 1x week. 200+ reps on abs for quasi-cardio.

Food; weigh all Ã?Â¢?? whole & mostly organic. Protein 165g , Fat 100g, Carbs 155g = 2,150 cals aprox.

Stats; 165 lbs, 15% BF aprox., mid 50s

Supps; Ubiquinol (coQ10 for over 35 yrs old), EPA-DHA, whole food C and liposomal C to support collagen repair, NAC for glutathione, K2, CLA, etc.

Intra work out only; BCAAs and collagen 1&3.

TRT: Test cyp 20mg 2x wk w/ .25mg Anastrozole 2x wk Ã?Â¢?? puts me over 800 total serum and insurance wants to cut me off. My Naturopath will treat me for $100/mo if so. IÃ?Â¢??m shut down and not on HCG with no plans to go off TRT. I am mid 50s and don not need kids, and wife does not need the big sack.

Health; Excellent except LDL-P and Apo-B. Absolutely all other levels are excellent. I suspect my root canal bacteria causing LDL-P increase.

But - STUDY; {quote} All studies comparing the risks of tamoxifen vs AIs have shown an overall decreased risk of venous thromboembolic events in those taking AIs vs those taking tamoxifen.4 The BIG 1-98 trial demonstrated an excess of severe events (chronic heart failure and ischemic heart disease) in patients treated with letrozole vs tamoxifen. Additionally, anastrozole in the ATAC trial and letrozole in the BIG 1-98 trial were associated with a significant increase in hypercholesterolemia.17,21 Interestingly, no such increase was seen with exemestane.{end quote}
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...les/PMC2878260/

CYCLE History = one; After TRT 3rd year; One cycle of Test Enth stacked with Primo (w/ holo label; M100 Manufactured by munster laboratories, Switzerland).
I do not mind IM injecting so I would like to do EOD of Prop at higher level with higher level of exemestane as my AI for a few weeks while out of country.

Also, My Naturopath is set on Anastrozole but listens to me because I read studies all the time. Should I ask him to switch me - and just pay out of pocket for higher dose of Prop with Exemestane?
I know in my gut that I can fix my cholesterol problem and I am okay. It is a symptom of another problem that cholesterol is trying to repair. We have to inform our docs sometimes.

I posted this in the main forum but meant to post it here for Shadow Pro.[/quote]

Can you please post a current picture so it can see who I’m dealing with and give you a better answer.

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:04pm

[quote]The Myth wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]wonvry wrote:
Such an awesome and informative thread, so first off thanks.

So my question is can you go into detail on the health side of things. Since your up and personal with a lot of bbers and etc do you have any insite on the true healyh ramifications of all these drugs. The reason i ask is because ive competed nationaly in mens physique, was doing paid gigs and was getting higher up in the whole scene. Recently, (1yr ago) i made the hardest decision ever to quit it all because of the possible health risks.

When i first started all i heard was how safe it is, reversable sides and etc.l. But through further research from personal and peer edited reviews there are hardly any studies showing anything but negatives associated with cycling. Yes, i know there are aome but lets be honest there are a lot more negative reviews then positive. Im fully aware of running a healthy cycle and how to minimize risks, blood work, support sups and etc. Why is there so much negative press via reviews and etc, yet no user ever talks about it. Are we actually seeing any adverse effects of people using and not just cycling but even trt doses? Are we purposely delusioning ourselves r hiding the facts to make our decisions easier?

I by no means intend to disrespectful as im struggling with the option to continue cycling or stop. I guess in general I would like to get your opinion on the reality of the matter.
[/quote]

Here’s the truth and what people need to understand:

No one ever took a group of bodybuilders who have been regularly taking PEDs for years and made conclusions about pros, cons and side effects. All we have is trial and error with experience. Any reviews you may be reading are most likely written by people with a huge lack of knowledge on the subject.

Steroids are not the devil and there are many worse things for you (junk food, cigarettes, recreational drugs etc.) these will impact your health a lot more than using steroids intelligently. I like to give the following example… If you drink 1-2 glasses of wine each day it will possibly benefit you and have very minimal risk or negative effect…lf you drink a whole bottle you will probably become an alcoholic and damage your liver. I believe that with moderate and intelligent use along with proper pct and supplementation (liver supplements for example) that you can use steroids safely with minimal risk. If you are getting greedy and taking crazy dosages and not protecting yourself then you can create serious damage.

If you’re asking about the way pros are using it I wouldn’t suggest that it’s healthy and it comes along with risks. No professional sport is healthy by any means and PED use is common amongst all athletes in high level sport. People will do everything to win and that just a fact. You can try to be smart when doing higher dosages to minimize risks but obviously the more you use then the more risk you are taking.

I don’t think trt/HRT dose can do any harm whatsoever. There’s a reason why they give it out so easily in these clinics.

I think many of the misconceptions about steroids are due to ignorance of both people and the media. Even doctors don’t get any formal education on steroid use.
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Great take Shadow Pro. Having been on TRT for almost a year, I agree with your perception that doctors are behind the curve with respect to education. I’ve done a lot of research in order to be healthy on TRT and cycling and feel totally comfortable with my supplementation, both gear and trt and ancillaries.

I am continually amazed by your knowledge, passion, and patience.

Thanks!
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Thank you very much. I’m just doing my best and sharing what I know!

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:06pm

[quote]wenbin wrote:
Hi ! Currently doing second cycle of test e , deca and dbol.
wk 1-3 750mg test e
wk 5-15 500mg test e
wk 1-4 dbol 50mg ed
wk 8-12 dbol 50mg ed
wk 1-10 400mg deca EW

PCT: wk 17-wk25 of nolva 20mg ED

can u please critique my cycle? Thanks ![/quote]

I would also add HCG and nolvadex throughout the cycle. 2 full bottles of AlphaMale in the pct (double recommended dosage each day)

I’m assuming you’re planning on a mass cycle here? If so, this is a very basic cycle. Pay attention to your diet or you will experience a lot of extra water retention.

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:09pm

[quote]ginston wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ginston wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ginston wrote:
Hi shadow…wanted to ask a few brief questions. In the process of planning my next cycle. cycle will be a bulking cycle. Firstly im considering adding EQ to the cycle mainly for increased appetite and vascularity. do you rate EQ? as it seems to get mixed opinions. Never ran it myself. so curious to you opinion on it? if i add it. it would be ran around 750mg for around 16 weeks+ along with test and tren ace and oxys.

second question is about insulin. Also considering addinf some insulin into next cycle. would be first time running insulin. i understand it needs to be treated with respect and ran properly or it can be dangerous im doing as much research on insulin use as i can. what would be an ideal dosage in your opinion and do you prefer pre or post workout? would be using humalog and trying to workout the best pre or post workout nutrition around the insulin use. any help would be appreciated. i was going to go with around 8-10g carbs per iu. do you think in your opinion insulin use makes a big difference to a cycle and the effectiveness of gains etc.

last question was about HGH will be running this on next cycle (and beyond). what is the ideal time to take HGH in your opinion? thinking of starting around 6iu and working up if i can. any help surrounding insulin and HGH would be highly appreciated. Many thanks as always shadow…[/quote]

The EQ combined with the cycle you mentioned can be a great mass cycle. What dosages are you planning for the other compounds?

Can you post a current picture. If you’re lean enough (~10%) then it might be something to consider but if not I would stay away from insulin. If you decide to do it start with nothing more than 5iu pre workout and build it up from there. GH is always a great idea. For mass gaining purposes use it pre & post workout in equal dosages.
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dosage wise I was thinking…
test e 750mg ew
EQ 750mg ew
tren ace 100mg ed
dbol 60mg ed or oxy 100mg ed

sure will post up a picture now.
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You look good! I would do the EQ at 1g/week (you will get better benefits from eq at a higher dosage) you seem advanced so this is a reasonable dosage for you. You will have better appetite and it will help with mass. If you’re planning on running a long cycle for 16 weeks and everything is going well then I would probably bump up the test to 1000mg and the eq to 1200 mid cycle.
I would also suggest running tren-e (600-700mg/week) rather than tren-a for a mass cycle. Dbol will have better synergy here with the tren compared to oxy. Run it for 6 weeks and slowly taper up 10 mg / week (start at 40)
I would run nolva at 20mg/day for the whole cycle and HCG 250 2x/week.

You’re pretty lean so you can give the insulin a shot. Start with 5iu preworkout and start sipping on the Plazma immediately after injections. 70g of carbs from Plazma. If it’s going well you can bump it up to 10iu preworkout and the Plazma up to 120. Use it preworkout and use Humalog ONLY.

Since you’re using GH for mass purposes I would do 3iu pre(60min before insulin), 3iu post and 3iu before bed - if affordable. The combination of the GH and insulin if timed correctly will release igf1 while you’re training and this is something you want.
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Thank you for the advice…im going to go with 1g test, 1g eq, dbol at 60mg+ed never ran tren e only ever ran tren a and tren base both very productive cycle but will look into using tren e to cut down on pins and make it more affordable. i agree on the dbol tren synergy. i love this combo ran it 4 times now and always been fantastic!

I plan on doing my first competition end of next year possibly a ukbff show or something (nervous lol). Giving myself close to a full year to add some quality mass and work on weak areas before going into prep for the comp…so any and all advice from you is hugely appreciated.

insulin and gh will be new to the next cycle so hoping it will help give my cycle a little boost over previous cycles.

With regards to the pre workout insulin shot…I’ve read it can be more dangerous than lost workout but more beneficial. what is your views on this? and any advice on either would be great. 70g carbs with the 5iu how much protein would you say is ideal i was thinking around 50g?
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I would suggest working on general thickness to give you a more 3 dimensional look. More quad sweep & wider shoulders. Upper pecs can use some work too.

As long as you drink your Plazma with the insulin in the amounts I suggested then you should be fine. If you want to play it safer you can try 2.5 servings of Plazma (95g carbs, 37.5g protein) for every 5-6iu of Humalog.
It’s not more dangerous than any other time of the day… Insulin is just dangerous in general. Always keep glucose tabs with you incase you get hypo.

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:14pm

[quote]oceanw0lf wrote:
Hey Shadow, I have read several out of your threads and what you do for the community is simply amazing.

Have a few quick questions…
If you are going to pin a muscle that you are going to train the same day, do you prefer to do the injection before or after the workout? Pinning glutes on a legday for example.

Also…
I know that the timing is important as for HGH and insulin, but do you inject at a specific time of the day when it comes to steroids or does it even matter? Talking about long esters mainly.

Greetings from Sweden![/quote]

Welcome to the forum.

If anything I would prefer to inject it post workout after I eat. After you train you have more blood flow to the area and for me it just feels better to do it this way. I don’t particularly like to inject before my workout incase it’s a bad shot and it will ruin my workout (a bad tren shot for example)

As for timing of long esters - just try to keep it on the same day and same time every week. It doesn’t make much of a difference but you want to make sure you aren’t missing injections so that it’s stable in your body.

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:20pm

[quote]Silverback17 wrote:
Hey Shadow!

Great Post and awesome information man! Couple of questions but before here is some info.

Background: Im 6Ã¢??1Ã¢?? and 229lbs, arms only 17 1/4", legs only 26 1/4Ã¢??. Been in highly competitive sports my entire life and competed at D1 levels. My focus on building muscle has always been of great interest but because of my choice of sport I needed to stay closer to 170lbs. The past few years have given me the opportunity to dive deeper into lifting and visit with nutritionist, lifting coaches to develop the fundamentals. The past 12mths been hardcore & intense and I have picked up about 25lbs of muscle and dropped a decent amount of fat. I brought back heavy (relative to my world) & core lifts such as deadlift, squat & bench back into the equation. My weight went from 215 to 233 on my last cycle & hit all my personal best. Always open for improvement but after training with a few bodybuilders & strength coaches my lifting technique is atleast solid. Utilizing heavy weights in core lifts and polishing with lighter volume lifts to balance the blood flow in the muscle. I consider myself to have a lot of room to improve when it comes to cycle knowledge and also believe my muscles have a lot of room for growth.

Personal Best: Squat 1x405, Deadlift 1x495, Bench 5x315, seated Barbell Shoulder Press 8x185

Supplements (Everyday Dosage)
20-30gmÃ¢??s BCAA , 20G’s Creatine, 20gm’s Glutamine, B-Complex, Multivitamin/Mineral

Typical Diet: Varies between 6-8Meals per day. (2-3 Cheat Meals on Weekend)
Candidly I admit I havenÃ¢??t been tracking my carbs as close as it sounds like i should be. I have not experimented with changing my carbs from workout to non workout days.
Meal 1: Total 506 cal & 56 protein: 6x Egg Whites + 2-3oz 99% Ground turkey & 1 1/2 cup Oatmeal
Meal 2: Myoplex 42 Protein, 300 Cal & 60 Fat
Meal 3: Cilantro Turkey & 1 Cup Rice 450 Cal, 140 Fat & 37 Protien
Meal 4: Chicken & Rice 470 Cal, 100 Fat & 49 Protein
Meal 5: Shake 60gms Protein, 300 Cal & 60 Fat
Meal 6: 7oz Breaded Pork, Roll & Green Beans
Meal 7: 6oz Chicken & 1 1/2 cup Pasta

Historical Cycles
Baseline: 7 Yrs HRT 200mg Test Cyp every 5 days
Cycle #1: Anavar Only
Cycle #2: 1-12 Wks 400Mg Test Cyp
Cycle #3: 1-4 Wks 20MG DBol, 1-12 Wks 400Mg Wk Test Cyp & 4-12 Wks Anavar
Cycle #4: 1-12 Wks 600Mg Test Cyp Only GHRP6/Somerlin 10mcg 3xPer Day
Cycle #5
1-12 Wks 600Mg Test Cyp
1-12 Wks 200Mg Deca
1-14 Wks 400Mg Tren E
1-14 Wks GHRP6/Somerlin 20mcg 3xPer Day
1-14 Wks 1MG Arimidex

Weekly Workout Plan
Cardio: 2 x25Min Week
Lifting Day 1: Back (18-20 Sets) includes deadlifts 2x8 & 3x5 & Bi’s (9-12 Sets)
Lifting Day 2: Chest (16-18 Sets) & Tri’s (9-12 Sets)
Lifting Day 3: Legs (18-20 Sets) includes Squats 2x10 & 3x5, Calves & Abs (9 sets each)
Lifting Day 4: Shoulders (15-18 sets) & Traps (6-9 sets) & Small Bi/Tri (6-9 sets) if needed

Goals:

Continue to add lean muscles mass to 250lbs & decrease body fat.
While staying proportional I would like to develop my arms to apx 20"
While staying proportional I would like to develop my legs to apx 30"
Others?

Questions:

Any candid feedback in any area you are willing to provide?
Given a brief overview I would be very interested in your feedback on my next proposed cycle below? I have not found a solid resource for GH and by no means am i asking for any. I only state this as it looks to be a key ingredient based on your other post.
Next Proposed Cycle:
1-14 Wks 800Mg Test Cyp
1-7 Wks DBol 30MG Day
1-14 Wks 200Mg Deca
1-14 Wk 400Mg Tren E
1-14 Wk GHRP6/Somerlin 20mcg 3xPer Day
1-14 Wk 10MG ED Nolvadex
Anything else I should change or add?
Should I add a fat burning supplement such as HotRoxs unless this has changed. Perhaps Clen or T3. Thoughts?
Can you inject Peptides IM & should you?
Injection Sites: Quads, Glutes, DeltoidsÃ¢?Â¦Anywhere else?[/quote]

Hi. Welcome to the forum. Great first post!

First thing I would do is add Plazma as a staple for your intraworkout nutrition. Indigo and mag10 can also greatly benefit you with your body composition goals. I would lower your daily fat consumption, it’s a bit too high.
As for the suggested cycle: I wouldn’t run tren and deca together. Run the nolva at 20mg/day and run HCG throughout the cycle. The rest of the cycle looks fine.
See #1
If your goal is to gain muscle there’s no need for fat burners. Just make sure you’re diet is on track. No breaded pork for example.
You can inject them IM. I don’t particularly like peptides with the exception of a few (ex.pharm. igf-1)
Rear delts and triceps can work too.

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:21pm

[quote]Chapeloere wrote:
Hey,

How do you cycle insuline. 4 weeks on 4 weeks off?

Thx[/quote]

I would suggest doing 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off. 4 can work too but it depends on your dosage and diet.
Only use Humalog.

Shadow_Pro · August 18, 2015, 5:23pm

[quote]Tamojin wrote: