Hey shadow
Do u agree with my following GH protocol:
3 iu AM on empty stomach (Subq)
2.5-3 iu preworkout (IM or Subq)
2.5-3 iu postworkout (IM or Subq)
3 iu pre bed (IM or Subq -especially for weak bodyparts)
All saizen pharma grade…
Hi Shadow,
Really appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to answer our question.
Here’s my stats as I feel they are relevant to my questions:
Age 22 (recently).
Weight: 200lbs (14% BF as accurately as I can measure) down from 220lbs.
Height - 5"9
Currently natural - training solid/learning nutrition for 2 1/2 years. Trained before this but on and off with bad knowledge.
My weight was 154lbs around 11-12% in January 2013 so I feel I’ve made good progress.
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I want to do a show next year or the year after, most likely the year after because of studies. My aim is the bodypower Junior show (I’ll still be 23). Should I compete this natural and see how I favour or do a light cycle?
-
I was thinking of doing my first cycle around September 2016, bulk, take time off, then back on for the show in 2017. That okay?
-
I feel weird posting a picture of myself on here, but even more asking someone to take the picture so based on purely numbers - have I made good progress thus far?
-
Should I hire a coach for the show if I can afford to? Also for the offseason before the show?
-
My passion is for bodybuilding, looking powerful, the posing etc. it’s a great art form. But I’m concerned about health implications. If my body was capable of going to a high standard I’d like to do that but I worry I’d get stuck in a deep web of bad decisions/choices to win a show. What’s your opinion on this? Can you be in a relatively good health if you’re smart about it?
Hi Shadow,
Test Enanthate 250mg/ml. I’ve run two cycles before it. First one was Test Enan 250mg/wk which produced good results. For the second one (back in 2013), I went for Test E 500mg/wk and at week 8, I added EQ 300mg/wk which I suppose was fake as it didn’t do anything at all. Proviron 50mg/day was added along with daily Nolva at 10mg. Low libido towards the end of the cycle was evident and I ran a 16 week cycle which in my opinion was ruined by the fake EQ, however, mid-cycle I could squat 448lbs at a bodyweight of 143lbs and half squat 560lbs, deadlift 450lbs. Didn’t max on bench due to an injured rotator. I am talking about olympic weightlifting squats here.
Now, I’m planning for a third cycle and thinking about doing 600mg/wk (single pin week 1-16) and Anavar 50mg/day (week 1-10) and looking forward to somewhat clean gains with lesser water retention.
Now if I get my hands upon legit Deca, can I go for Test E 250mg/wk and Deca 200-250mg/wk along with Anavar if any or should I stick with Test and Deca only? There is a concern with Gyno as well as AIs are pretty expensive here and I have to rely upon Nolva only. Never had problems with PCT though (Got away with no Clomid at all in the previous cycles).
I am emphasizing upon single pin as I have to inject myself and its easier for me to inject into quads than glutes so its less sore when I am ready to hit the same quad again. Also if no legit Deca or Anavar is available, should I go for Test E 600mg/wk only? I’m also on a hunt for Clen, if I get any, is it advisable to use it with Test E since day one?
At the moment my bw is 181lbs with a bit higher BF but lately been doing some serious heavy bag work along with burpees and 500-1000 push ups every other day. Used to squat a couple of months ago but a foot injury kept me from it since then. Recovered now and thinking about hitting weights once again. My squat score was 400 bw squats in 20 mins and 1000 in 50-60 mins.
Diet is way lesser than normal at the moment. The last month, it was 17 hours of fasting with as little diet as possible, one protein shake after 500-1000 push up workout but I’m doing quite fine till now. Never cared much about diet and sleep throughout my life even when I was lifting that much weight (Only 4 liquid egg whites before and 4-6 after the workouts and two whole eggs in breakfast along with 100-200 grams of poultry during meals). Looking forward to buying some protein supps, somewhat taking care of my diet and sleeping at least 6-8 hours a day during this cycle. Looking forward to your advice about the cycle.
Sorry didn’t mention my height, its 5’91/2"
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
Hey SP, quick question for you… it is been 11 days since I started my TEST-C n D-BOL cycle… and my appetite is gone! I am feeling nauseous the whole day … it started two days ago … do you think it can be dose-related with my D-BOL? I am using 50mg/day… I really would not like to stop using it … I gain 6 pounds already and I am feeling my muscles much more “full” … is there anything I could take to help with that? I might decrease the amount… but I do not think it is gonna be worthy … thinking in terms of results…[/quote]
if your appetite has went away it is most likely the Dbol. i know for me if i take 50mg at once orally of any PED i lose my appetite. What helps me is splitting the dose. 25mg in the morning and 25mg pre-workout or if an off day some time in the later afternoon.
if you are already doing this then take it 3x per day. if it still kills the appetite and you’re dead set on Dbol, injectable forms are pretty nice and you dont have to use much to get the same result as with any injectable vs oral.
I’m 99% sure SP will concur with this.[/quote]
Hey ty_ty13, thx for the input… Actually I was spliting the amount (50mg) in 5 doses! I talked to a friend and he suggested that I start taking a drug called Silimalon (methionine with silimarine) together with the D-Bol… and reduce it for 30mg/day… I will try that… restart on Monday … the injectable version I have here in Brazil is not “trustable”[/quote]
I agree with this idea. Try and reduce it to 30mg and the silimalon is a good idea. I’m not sure how much it will actually help but it’s worth a try.[/quote]
SP, just an update for you:
I decided to stop with the D-BOL … gonna keep it for a future cycle where I plan to start with Silimalon BEFORE start using the D-BOL… my liver is okay thanks God … and I am feeling hungry again !! I figured out that most important than using this or that steroid is having a surplus of calories to build new muscle tissue… so I would rather feeling hungry before every meal than struggle to eat some chicken n rice!
I added some nandrolone to the cycle after searching a little bit what would combine well with TEST-C… I am using 400mg of Nandrolone and 600mg of TEST-C…
- Do you think is enough the amount of each compound?
- You had adviced me to use 20mg of tamox during all the cycle and 4 weeks after… do I have to keep it since I switched the D-BOL for Nandrolone?
- How about Deca Dick? Any advice to avoid it? I used Nandro like ten years ago and back then nobody even talked about that “dick issue”… I felt pretty amazing while on it and wonder if it is more of a mind thing than physiological…
Once again thanks for all the support
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
Also, as tyty mentioned there’s also injectable dbol that’s much easier on your system. I don’t find it to be as effective but it’s an option. You can always give other orals a try but keep me posted on how this works out for you.
[/quote]
SP,
This answer intrigued me. what difference(s) have you found between the oral vs injectable form?
thanks,
Tyty
Such an awesome and informative thread, so first off thanks.
So my question is can you go into detail on the health side of things. Since your up and personal with a lot of bbers and etc do you have any insite on the true healyh ramifications of all these drugs. The reason i ask is because ive competed nationaly in mens physique, was doing paid gigs and was getting higher up in the whole scene. Recently, (1yr ago) i made the hardest decision ever to quit it all because of the possible health risks.
When i first started all i heard was how safe it is, reversable sides and etc.l. But through further research from personal and peer edited reviews there are hardly any studies showing anything but negatives associated with cycling. Yes, i know there are aome but lets be honest there are a lot more negative reviews then positive. Im fully aware of running a healthy cycle and how to minimize risks, blood work, support sups and etc. Why is there so much negative press via reviews and etc, yet no user ever talks about it. Are we actually seeing any adverse effects of people using and not just cycling but even trt doses? Are we purposely delusioning ourselves r hiding the facts to make our decisions easier?
I by no means intend to disrespectful as im struggling with the option to continue cycling or stop. I guess in general I would like to get your opinion on the reality of the matter.
Such an awesome and informative thread, so first off thanks.
So my question is can you go into detail on the health side of things. Since your up and personal with a lot of bbers and etc do you have any insite on the true healyh ramifications of all these drugs. The reason i ask is because ive competed nationaly in mens physique, was doing paid gigs and was getting higher up in the whole scene. Recently, (1yr ago) i made the hardest decision ever to quit it all because of the possible health risks.
When i first started all i heard was how safe it is, reversable sides and etc.l. But through further research from personal and peer edited reviews there are hardly any studies showing anything but negatives associated with cycling. Yes, i know there are aome but lets be honest there are a lot more negative reviews then positive. Im fully aware of running a healthy cycle and how to minimize risks, blood work, support sups and etc. Why is there so much negative press via reviews and etc, yet no user ever talks about it. Are we actually seeing any adverse effects of people using and not just cycling but even trt doses? Are we purposely delusioning ourselves r hiding the facts to make our decisions easier?
I by no means intend to disrespectful as im struggling with the option to continue cycling or stop. I guess in general I would like to get your opinion on the reality of the matter.
[quote]ginston wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ginston wrote:
Hi shadow…wanted to ask a few brief questions. In the process of planning my next cycle. cycle will be a bulking cycle. Firstly im considering adding EQ to the cycle mainly for increased appetite and vascularity. do you rate EQ? as it seems to get mixed opinions. Never ran it myself. so curious to you opinion on it? if i add it. it would be ran around 750mg for around 16 weeks+ along with test and tren ace and oxys.
second question is about insulin. Also considering addinf some insulin into next cycle. would be first time running insulin. i understand it needs to be treated with respect and ran properly or it can be dangerous im doing as much research on insulin use as i can. what would be an ideal dosage in your opinion and do you prefer pre or post workout? would be using humalog and trying to workout the best pre or post workout nutrition around the insulin use. any help would be appreciated. i was going to go with around 8-10g carbs per iu. do you think in your opinion insulin use makes a big difference to a cycle and the effectiveness of gains etc.
last question was about HGH will be running this on next cycle (and beyond). what is the ideal time to take HGH in your opinion? thinking of starting around 6iu and working up if i can. any help surrounding insulin and HGH would be highly appreciated. Many thanks as always shadow…[/quote]
The EQ combined with the cycle you mentioned can be a great mass cycle. What dosages are you planning for the other compounds?
Can you post a current picture. If you’re lean enough (~10%) then it might be something to consider but if not I would stay away from insulin. If you decide to do it start with nothing more than 5iu pre workout and build it up from there. GH is always a great idea. For mass gaining purposes use it pre & post workout in equal dosages.
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dosage wise I was thinking…
test e 750mg ew
EQ 750mg ew
tren ace 100mg ed
dbol 60mg ed or oxy 100mg ed
sure will post up a picture now.
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You look good! I would do the EQ at 1g/week (you will get better benefits from eq at a higher dosage) you seem advanced so this is a reasonable dosage for you. You will have better appetite and it will help with mass. If you’re planning on running a long cycle for 16 weeks and everything is going well then I would probably bump up the test to 1000mg and the eq to 1200 mid cycle.
I would also suggest running tren-e (600-700mg/week) rather than tren-a for a mass cycle. Dbol will have better synergy here with the tren compared to oxy. Run it for 6 weeks and slowly taper up 10 mg / week (start at 40)
I would run nolva at 20mg/day for the whole cycle and HCG 250 2x/week.
You’re pretty lean so you can give the insulin a shot. Start with 5iu preworkout and start sipping on the Plazma immediately after injections. 70g of carbs from Plazma. If it’s going well you can bump it up to 10iu preworkout and the Plazma up to 120. Use it preworkout and use Humalog ONLY.
Since you’re using GH for mass purposes I would do 3iu pre(60min before insulin), 3iu post and 3iu before bed - if affordable. The combination of the GH and insulin if timed correctly will release igf1 while you’re training and this is something you want.
[quote]jibajanka wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]jibajanka wrote:
Here’s one more.
And btw, i got alot of stretch marks on my arms, back, legs. All around, its getting out of control in my oppinion. Do you have anything in mind that would help that? I have tried various creams which have been recommended for stretch marks, with no luck.
Thanks 
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Oh I forgot to mention… The creams won’t help much. Just accept the fact that you have them now! Haha.
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What a joker! Hahah, Thanks for your time, and keep up this awesome work, good forum, its very interesting! Have a great day.[/quote]
Thank you for posting… I was just messing with you!
[quote]Lukekk1 wrote:
Yo Shadow,
following problem, i’m running 500mg TEST E a week, divided into 2 pins, Wed and Saturday, AM and PM. I inject 2 different labs of which i know that 1 of them is 100% legit pharmaceutical stuff and on the other 1 i have doubts…
my previous cycle was 100% legit pharmaceutical stuff which result me into:
32.5ng/dl on 500mg test e a week on 8th week, the blood was taken around 15hours after the last injection so it was at the highest peek.
my current cycle is the same 500mg test a week, i inject the original stuff at saturday and the one i have doubts on Wednesday.
If i would do a blood test on Thursday, then my levels should be pretty high, taken that both ampulles are legit(?) however if the stuff i inject on wednesday is fake or under dosed then my levels shouldnt be that high since my last injection with legit stuff was on saturday?()
Im currently finishing in Week 5… should i still wait till i do the blood test or there shouldnt be much difference compared to Week 6 and Week 8 anymore?
Thanks in advice![/quote]
Go ahead and get the blood tests as planned. Honestly with only 500mg of test the difference shouldn’t be do high. Testosterone is a very cheap steroid to produce so it’s not normally faked, if anything it could be under dosed. With the amounts you’re taking I really doubt you’ll see a significant difference.
[quote]veniceboy wrote:
Hey shadow
Do u agree with my following GH protocol:
3 iu AM on empty stomach (Subq)
2.5-3 iu preworkout (IM or Subq)
2.5-3 iu postworkout (IM or Subq)
3 iu pre bed (IM or Subq -especially for weak bodyparts)
All saizen pharma grade…[/quote]
This is an excellent protocol if you can afford it. 12iu of pharma is not cheap.
I would stick to subq in the AM and before bed and IM pre and post workout.
[quote]Reficx wrote:
Hi Shadow,
Really appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to answer our question.
Here’s my stats as I feel they are relevant to my questions:
Age 22 (recently).
Weight: 200lbs (12% BF as accurately as I can measure) down from 220lbs.
Height - 5"9
Currently natural - training solid/learning nutrition for 2 1/2 years. Trained before this but on and off with bad knowledge.
My weight was 154lbs around 13-14% in January 2013 so I feel I’ve made good progress.
-
I want to do a show next year or the year after, most likely the year after because of studies. My aim is the bodypower Junior show (I’ll still be 23). Should I compete this natural and see how I favour or do a light cycle?
-
I was thinking of doing my first cycle around September 2016, bulk, take time off, then back on for the show in 2017. That okay?
-
I feel weird posting a picture of myself on here, but even more asking someone to take the picture so based on purely numbers - have I made good progress thus far?
-
Should I hire a coach for the show if I can afford to? Also for the offseason before the show?
-
My passion is for bodybuilding, looking powerful, the posing etc. it’s a great art form. But I’m concerned about health implications. If my body was capable of going to a high standard I’d like to do that but I worry I’d get stuck in a deep web of bad decisions/choices to win a show. What’s your opinion on this? Can you be in a relatively good health if you’re smart about it?[/quote]
It’s hard for me to give you a proper answer to your question without seeing you. I know some people are nervous about posting pictures but you don’t need to include your face.
All of your questions would vary depending on the actual amount of muscle mass you have, the body fat you actually have (most people underestimate), structure, diet, supplementation etc.
Hiring a good coach is always a great idea. As long as you’re doing things slowly and intelligently without overdoing it and maximize your natural abilities first then use of PEDs can be relatively safe. There’s always risks but as you can see a lot of pros are in good health and live to tell about it. (And some are just idiots)
If you keep this thought process you will be better off - perfect training, perfect diets, perfect supplementation and lastly drugs. Not being greedy and rushed is the key. If you want to post a picture I can give you more specifics.
[quote]Tamojin wrote:
Hi Shadow,
Test Enanthate 250mg/ml. I’ve run two cycles before it. First one was Test Enan 250mg/wk which produced good results. For the second one (back in 2013), I went for Test E 500mg/wk and at week 8, I added EQ 300mg/wk which I suppose was fake as it didn’t do anything at all. Proviron 50mg/day was added along with daily Nolva at 10mg. Low libido towards the end of the cycle was evident and I ran a 16 week cycle which in my opinion was ruined by the fake EQ, however, mid-cycle I could squat 448lbs at a bodyweight of 143lbs and half squat 560lbs, deadlift 450lbs. Didn’t max on bench due to an injured rotator. I am talking about olympic weightlifting squats here.
Now, I’m planning for a third cycle and thinking about doing 600mg/wk (single pin week 1-16) and Anavar 50mg/day (week 1-10) and looking forward to somewhat clean gains with lesser water retention.
Now if I get my hands upon legit Deca, can I go for Test E 250mg/wk and Deca 200-250mg/wk along with Anavar if any or should I stick with Test and Deca only? There is a concern with Gyno as well as AIs are pretty expensive here and I have to rely upon Nolva only. Never had problems with PCT though (Got away with no Clomid at all in the previous cycles).
I am emphasizing upon single pin as I have to inject myself and its easier for me to inject into quads than glutes so its less sore when I am ready to hit the same quad again. Also if no legit Deca or Anavar is available, should I go for Test E 600mg/wk only? I’m also on a hunt for Clen, if I get any, is it advisable to use it with Test E since day one?
At the moment my bw is 181lbs with a bit higher BF but lately been doing some serious heavy bag work along with burpees and 500-1000 push ups every other day. Used to squat a couple of months ago but a foot injury kept me from it since then. Recovered now and thinking about hitting weights once again. My squat score was 400 bw squats in 20 mins and 1000 in 50-60 mins.
Diet is way lesser than normal at the moment. The last month, it was 17 hours of fasting with as little diet as possible, one protein shake after 500-1000 push up workout but I’m doing quite fine till now. Never cared much about diet and sleep throughout my life even when I was lifting that much weight (Only 4 liquid egg whites before and 4-6 after the workouts and two whole eggs in breakfast along with 100-200 grams of poultry during meals). Looking forward to buying some protein supps, somewhat taking care of my diet and sleeping at least 6-8 hours a day during this cycle. Looking forward to your advice about the cycle.[/quote]
I wouldn’t do 1 pin a week, I think you should divide it into a minimum of 2 and I wouldn’t run the anavar for more than 8 weeks tops! If you want lean gains and want to stay hard I wouldn’t use deca at all. Nolva is fine to use throughout the whole cycle. 20mg/day should do the job.
If you aren’t trying to diet down I wouldn’t use Clen. 600mg/week of test only divided into 2 injections is okay for a basic cycle but the combination with anavar would be better.
You need to be more focused on your exact goals of the cycle you’re planning and that way you can be more decisive. More than anything I think your diet needs to be looked at, it’s very bad. I would suggest hiring someone to help here because diet alone can hinder your progress significantly.
Plazma should be a staple for your diet and same goes for indigo. Getting a lot of sleep is also something very important so I would trying to get all of these variables together before starting a cycle.
[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
Hey SP, quick question for you… it is been 11 days since I started my TEST-C n D-BOL cycle… and my appetite is gone! I am feeling nauseous the whole day … it started two days ago … do you think it can be dose-related with my D-BOL? I am using 50mg/day… I really would not like to stop using it … I gain 6 pounds already and I am feeling my muscles much more “full” … is there anything I could take to help with that? I might decrease the amount… but I do not think it is gonna be worthy … thinking in terms of results…[/quote]
if your appetite has went away it is most likely the Dbol. i know for me if i take 50mg at once orally of any PED i lose my appetite. What helps me is splitting the dose. 25mg in the morning and 25mg pre-workout or if an off day some time in the later afternoon.
if you are already doing this then take it 3x per day. if it still kills the appetite and you’re dead set on Dbol, injectable forms are pretty nice and you dont have to use much to get the same result as with any injectable vs oral.
I’m 99% sure SP will concur with this.[/quote]
Hey ty_ty13, thx for the input… Actually I was spliting the amount (50mg) in 5 doses! I talked to a friend and he suggested that I start taking a drug called Silimalon (methionine with silimarine) together with the D-Bol… and reduce it for 30mg/day… I will try that… restart on Monday … the injectable version I have here in Brazil is not “trustable”[/quote]
I agree with this idea. Try and reduce it to 30mg and the silimalon is a good idea. I’m not sure how much it will actually help but it’s worth a try.[/quote]
SP, just an update for you:
I decided to stop with the D-BOL … gonna keep it for a future cycle where I plan to start with Silimalon BEFORE start using the D-BOL… my liver is okay thanks God … and I am feeling hungry again !! I figured out that most important than using this or that steroid is having a surplus of calories to build new muscle tissue… so I would rather feeling hungry before every meal than struggle to eat some chicken n rice!
I added some nandrolone to the cycle after searching a little bit what would combine well with TEST-C… I am using 400mg of Nandrolone and 600mg of TEST-C…
- Do you think is enough the amount of each compound?
- You had adviced me to use 20mg of tamox during all the cycle and 4 weeks after… do I have to keep it since I switched the D-BOL for Nandrolone?
- How about Deca Dick? Any advice to avoid it? I used Nandro like ten years ago and back then nobody even talked about that “dick issue”… I felt pretty amazing while on it and wonder if it is more of a mind thing than physiological…
Once again thanks for all the support
[/quote]
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I would replace the deca with eq and probably do 600mg as a 1:1 ratio with the test. This will help with appetite, mass and you don’t need to worry about deca dick. It’s not that deca doesn’t work I just feel that eq is superior.
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Yes, stay on nolva but have caber on hand incase prolactin issues come up.
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Some people are more sensitive than others to this. If you don’t have an issue then by all means you can continue to use it. If it happens I would suggest keeping the test higher than the deca (at least 300mg more) and use caber if necessary, .5mg 2x/week is a good starting point - only if you need it! Cialis is always an option while on a cycle.
You know your stuff my friend… The dbol incident is probably because you’re sensitive to it but we’ll figure it out the next time you want to try it. A good option instead would be oral tbol as it’s easier on your system and shouldn’t hurt your appetite as much. It will still give you decent gains both in mass and strength with less water retention.
Keep me posted on how everything is going.
[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
Also, as tyty mentioned there’s also injectable dbol that’s much easier on your system. I don’t find it to be as effective but it’s an option. You can always give other orals a try but keep me posted on how this works out for you.
[/quote]
SP,
This answer intrigued me. what difference(s) have you found between the oral vs injectable form?
thanks,
Tyty[/quote]
When I use the oral version of it I felt a lot more strength gains and aggression. I also had more water retention and gained weight easier.
I think the injectable version feels a lot more mild. Less strength, less water retention and less aggression in the gym. The other issue is that it needs to be injected everyday and that’s a real pain in the ass when you are on a mass cycle.
[quote]wonvry wrote:
Such an awesome and informative thread, so first off thanks.
So my question is can you go into detail on the health side of things. Since your up and personal with a lot of bbers and etc do you have any insite on the true healyh ramifications of all these drugs. The reason i ask is because ive competed nationaly in mens physique, was doing paid gigs and was getting higher up in the whole scene. Recently, (1yr ago) i made the hardest decision ever to quit it all because of the possible health risks.
When i first started all i heard was how safe it is, reversable sides and etc.l. But through further research from personal and peer edited reviews there are hardly any studies showing anything but negatives associated with cycling. Yes, i know there are aome but lets be honest there are a lot more negative reviews then positive. Im fully aware of running a healthy cycle and how to minimize risks, blood work, support sups and etc. Why is there so much negative press via reviews and etc, yet no user ever talks about it. Are we actually seeing any adverse effects of people using and not just cycling but even trt doses? Are we purposely delusioning ourselves r hiding the facts to make our decisions easier?
I by no means intend to disrespectful as im struggling with the option to continue cycling or stop. I guess in general I would like to get your opinion on the reality of the matter.
[/quote]
Here’s the truth and what people need to understand:
No one ever took a group of bodybuilders who have been regularly taking PEDs for years and made conclusions about pros, cons and side effects. All we have is trial and error with experience. Any reviews you may be reading are most likely written by people with a huge lack of knowledge on the subject.
Steroids are not the devil and there are many worse things for you (junk food, cigarettes, recreational drugs etc.) these will impact your health a lot more than using steroids intelligently. I like to give the following example… If you drink 1-2 glasses of wine each day it will possibly benefit you and have very minimal risk or negative effect…lf you drink a whole bottle you will probably become an alcoholic and damage your liver. I believe that with moderate and intelligent use along with proper pct and supplementation (liver supplements for example) that you can use steroids safely with minimal risk. If you are getting greedy and taking crazy dosages and not protecting yourself then you can create serious damage.
If you’re asking about the way pros are using it I wouldn’t suggest that it’s healthy and it comes along with risks. No professional sport is healthy by any means and PED use is common amongst all athletes in high level sport. People will do everything to win and that just a fact. You can try to be smart when doing higher dosages to minimize risks but obviously the more you use then the more risk you are taking.
I don’t think trt/HRT dose can do any harm whatsoever. There’s a reason why they give it out so easily in these clinics.
I think many of the misconceptions about steroids are due to ignorance of both people and the media. Even doctors don’t get any formal education on steroid use.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]veniceboy wrote:
Hey shadow
Do u agree with my following GH protocol:
3 iu AM on empty stomach (Subq)
2.5-3 iu preworkout (IM or Subq)
2.5-3 iu postworkout (IM or Subq)
3 iu pre bed (IM or Subq -especially for weak bodyparts)
All saizen pharma grade…[/quote]
This is an excellent protocol if you can afford it. 12iu of pharma is not cheap.
I would stick to subq in the AM and before bed and IM pre and post workout.
[/quote]
Cool, thank you. I worked in the pharma industry, so i got access to the real shit.
36iu of saizen cost me around 600$… Damn i need to rob a bank, lol. But im cool with it, a few iu’s of GH gives me more than the hottest designer clothes or something like that.
What brand of gh do u use?
Grateful for your service here. Your thoughtful replies to flippant, even disrespectful posts when you started here -speaks volumes.
Goal; Lean gains (of course). Sick of the puffiness from Test cyp + Anastrozole even while on keto and cutting.
Questions;
- Should I switch to Test P and Exemestane while in a country for 3 weeks where roids are freely available?
- Add D-bol to bump progress and avoid lipid problem increase?
- Will switching off Anastrozole and switching from cypionate help my cholesterol?
Gym; 10 years, 4+ years bodybuilding â?? 2 years heavy compounds + 2 years Serge Nubret pump training from this site. 6 days lifting, no cardio, hill sprint 1x week. 200+ reps on abs for quasi-cardio.
Food; weigh all â?? whole & mostly organic. Protein 165g , Fat 100g, Carbs 155g = 2,150 cals aprox.
Stats; 165 lbs, 15% BF aprox., mid 50s
Supps; Ubiquinol (coQ10 for over 35 yrs old), EPA-DHA, whole food C and liposomal C to support collagen repair, NAC for glutathione, K2, CLA, etc.
Intra work out only; BCAAs and collagen 1&3.
TRT: Test cyp 20mg 2x wk w/ .25mg Anastrozole 2x wk â?? puts me over 800 total serum and insurance wants to cut me off. My Naturopath will treat me for $100/mo if so. Iâ??m shut down and not on HCG with no plans to go off TRT. I am mid 50s and don not need kids, and wife does not need the big sack.
Health; Excellent except LDL-P and Apo-B. Absolutely all other levels are excellent. I suspect my root canal bacteria causing LDL-P increase.
But - STUDY; {quote} All studies comparing the risks of tamoxifen vs AIs have shown an overall decreased risk of venous thromboembolic events in those taking AIs vs those taking tamoxifen.4 The BIG 1-98 trial demonstrated an excess of severe events (chronic heart failure and ischemic heart disease) in patients treated with letrozole vs tamoxifen. Additionally, anastrozole in the ATAC trial and letrozole in the BIG 1-98 trial were associated with a significant increase in hypercholesterolemia.17,21 Interestingly, no such increase was seen with exemestane.{end quote}
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...les/PMC2878260/
CYCLE History = one; After TRT 3rd year; One cycle of Test Enth stacked with Primo (w/ holo label; M100 Manufactured by munster laboratories, Switzerland).
I do not mind IM injecting so I would like to do EOD of Prop at higher level with higher level of exemestane as my AI for a few weeks while out of country.
Also, My Naturopath is set on Anastrozole but listens to me because I read studies all the time. Should I ask him to switch me - and just pay out of pocket for higher dose of Prop with Exemestane?
I know in my gut that I can fix my cholesterol problem and I am okay. It is a symptom of another problem that cholesterol is trying to repair. We have to inform our docs sometimes.
I posted this in the main forum but meant to post it here for Shadow Pro.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]wonvry wrote:
Such an awesome and informative thread, so first off thanks.
So my question is can you go into detail on the health side of things. Since your up and personal with a lot of bbers and etc do you have any insite on the true healyh ramifications of all these drugs. The reason i ask is because ive competed nationaly in mens physique, was doing paid gigs and was getting higher up in the whole scene. Recently, (1yr ago) i made the hardest decision ever to quit it all because of the possible health risks.
When i first started all i heard was how safe it is, reversable sides and etc.l. But through further research from personal and peer edited reviews there are hardly any studies showing anything but negatives associated with cycling. Yes, i know there are aome but lets be honest there are a lot more negative reviews then positive. Im fully aware of running a healthy cycle and how to minimize risks, blood work, support sups and etc. Why is there so much negative press via reviews and etc, yet no user ever talks about it. Are we actually seeing any adverse effects of people using and not just cycling but even trt doses? Are we purposely delusioning ourselves r hiding the facts to make our decisions easier?
I by no means intend to disrespectful as im struggling with the option to continue cycling or stop. I guess in general I would like to get your opinion on the reality of the matter.
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Here’s the truth and what people need to understand:
No one ever took a group of bodybuilders who have been regularly taking PEDs for years and made conclusions about pros, cons and side effects. All we have is trial and error with experience. Any reviews you may be reading are most likely written by people with a huge lack of knowledge on the subject.
Steroids are not the devil and there are many worse things for you (junk food, cigarettes, recreational drugs etc.) these will impact your health a lot more than using steroids intelligently. I like to give the following example… If you drink 1-2 glasses of wine each day it will possibly benefit you and have very minimal risk or negative effect…lf you drink a whole bottle you will probably become an alcoholic and damage your liver. I believe that with moderate and intelligent use along with proper pct and supplementation (liver supplements for example) that you can use steroids safely with minimal risk. If you are getting greedy and taking crazy dosages and not protecting yourself then you can create serious damage.
If you’re asking about the way pros are using it I wouldn’t suggest that it’s healthy and it comes along with risks. No professional sport is healthy by any means and PED use is common amongst all athletes in high level sport. People will do everything to win and that just a fact. You can try to be smart when doing higher dosages to minimize risks but obviously the more you use then the more risk you are taking.
I don’t think trt/HRT dose can do any harm whatsoever. There’s a reason why they give it out so easily in these clinics.
I think many of the misconceptions about steroids are due to ignorance of both people and the media. Even doctors don’t get any formal education on steroid use.
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Great take Shadow Pro. Having been on TRT for almost a year, I agree with your perception that doctors are behind the curve with respect to education. I’ve done a lot of research in order to be healthy on TRT and cycling and feel totally comfortable with my supplementation, both gear and trt and ancillaries.
I am continually amazed by your knowledge, passion, and patience.
Thanks!