Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

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941

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Chapeloere wrote:
Hey Shadow,

I’m confused about insuline and mealtiming.
I guess it’s better to eat a meal after you do a slinshot.
But I use novorapid pre workout.

I ate a meal, 30 min later I do my shot, have my shake and amino’s. Then I go to the gym and have another carb/aminodrink during training.
After training have my PWO shake and meal.

Am I doing it wrong? I’m supposed to eat after my slinshot, but If I eat a meal before going to the gym my stomach is upset.
Need your pro advice.

Thx![/quote]

Go and read my first Shadow Pro thread. The topic of insulin was beaten to death there.

Here’s a bit of info to start you off with…

Do a Humalog shot 10min preworkout, drink Plazma intraworkout.
Example: 10iu insulin & 100g of carbs from Plazma

30 min after workout: 2 servings of MAG-10
60-90 min after MAG-10: eat a solid meal

This is a simple and very effective approach!
[/quote]

Shadow,

Indigo and MicroPa timing is the same?

What about the meal before the training? Is it worth 1.5 mag10 with micro pa 60 minutes before?

Should the solid postworkout meal contain carbs?

Does insuline modify the style of training? I mean it need volume and pump techniques?

942

actually no, junior bodybuilding. I am 19 almost 20, trying to push natty (other than mild clem usage when cutting phase arrives) for as long as possible. Already back up to 216 though.

943

Shadow…
If one were to use orals only as a pre workout supplement while on an injectable cycle, rather than cycle the orals, which oral (or combination of orals) would you select? I currently use dianabol on occasion as a pre workout boost, would anadrol perhaps suit this purpose better?.. The goal would be added fullness/ strength/ aggression during the workout.

944

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, I’m 28 yrsold, 5’9’', 210 lbs, bf is around 10%. Started dieting for 4 weeks now, been on 500/week test C (the first 3 weeks) then switched to 250 test C and 225 tren A and 80 mcg of clen.

I have done a number of cycles before, always competed as LHW at 180-184 lbs. For my previous shows I usually stay lean year around (198-195lbs) and make my way to 180-184lbs. However, this year I wanted to put on some weight specially in my weak legs and back, took a year off, bulked up to 232lbs (heaviest I have been, with decent condition).

For my previous shows, my diet was 250g proteins, 150g carb and I add a tbs of oil (or equivalent amount of almonds) with every meal. Cardio as needed, (I start hard (HIIT) and cut it towards the end). The main issue is, I tried to change things a lil for this prep and experiment by taking out the added oils (only fat are traces from meat sources). The thing is I have been 206 for 3 weeks now. I’m a lil worried now, since I look worse 6 weeks out now than 6 wks out of my last show. I usually lean very fast. In some shows, I would lean on test and clen only and get a very good placing (top 4 out of 12-16 guys). But for some reason, this year, my body is not responding well. Do you have any suggestions or ideas to share? Thankx a lot. [/quote]

Can you please post pictures so I can see who I’m dealing with. It could be numerous different things and every prep is different so it really depends. Lack of fat can sometimes make you look flat. Also, because you might have gained more fat in the offseason compared to usual and it takes longer to get it off.

Post pics and current diet then I’ll make suggestions based on what I see.
[/quote]
Thanks shadow. Here are some current pics (the ones in the kitchen), pics at 6 wks out last year *locker room) and pics couple of hours before pre-judging of last yearâ??s contest (in grey boxer). You can find them here; My Files
Current diet,

  1. 7 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1 tbs of coconut oil
  2. 6 oz. of chicken, 2 slices of bread, 2 tbs of peanut butter
  3. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 24 pieces of almonds
  4. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies
  5. 8 oz. of tilapia, 6 oz. of sweet potato (pre-workout meal)
  6. 1 scoop of whey
  7. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 1 tbs of olive oil
    Comes to about, 315 g of proteins, 63 g of carbs and 65 g of fat = 2135 calories (current weight = 206 lbs at 5â??9â??â??)

Water about 1.25-1.5 gallon a day, sodium moderate amounts with every meal (baby pickles).

Also, I have 1 high carb day (middle of week, on a leg day where I go to 200 g of carbs and reduce fats to 45 g). I also have a cheat meal at the end of week where I eat some steak/desert.

I lift 6 days a week pre-contest and do cardio afterwards: 25 min 6 days a week (mix of HIIT and LIIT) (where I burn about 200-250 calories on elliptical, by the time im done with cardio, I noticed that I get VERY sweaty, maybe coz of tren?).

Gear: 250/wk test C, 225/wk tren A and 80 mcg/day of clen, Aromasin 12.5 ed, Caber 0.25 e3d. This is the first time I run Aromasin (to be honest, I got it from a friend for free however I got Caber beforehand because it was the first timeto run tren).

945

[quote]bishlawy wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Chapeloere wrote:
Depends if you are trying to get lean or to add mass. If you are trying to add mass I would say post workout and before bed would be your best option(no less than 6iu/day). And if you’re trying to get lean you can do first thing in the morning and 90min pre workout(about 2-4iu/day will work)

You should it everyday.

If you use HGH postworkout… Do you have to wait 1h behore you can drink your carb/protein shake and meal?
Because 1h before hgh and 1h after hgh you shouldn’t eat suagers? [/quote]

Not sure where you got this idea. If you are trying to get bigger there’s no reason to wait after your GH, you want the GH and the insulin spike to work together in order to encourage growth.

The only reason you would have GH on an empty stomach (30-40min before food) is if you’re trying to get lean.

If you are doing your GH post workout and your goal is to grow then you don’t need to wait for your shake.
[/quote]

Hello Shadowpro,
For many years there was a saying that if you consume carbs after or directly before pinning GH your body would secrete Insulin which will cancel out the GH effect, that’s where it came from, actually Milos Sarcev is the one who still advocate to wait minimum 2 hours between GH shot and slin shot, so i see you don’t agree, right?[/quote]

No I don’t agree with this, it depends on your goal and why you are using the GH… Where did you see Milos make this recommendation?

946

[quote]michell wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Chapeloere wrote:
Hey Shadow,

I’m confused about insuline and mealtiming.
I guess it’s better to eat a meal after you do a slinshot.
But I use novorapid pre workout.

I ate a meal, 30 min later I do my shot, have my shake and amino’s. Then I go to the gym and have another carb/aminodrink during training.
After training have my PWO shake and meal.

Am I doing it wrong? I’m supposed to eat after my slinshot, but If I eat a meal before going to the gym my stomach is upset.
Need your pro advice.

Thx![/quote]

Go and read my first Shadow Pro thread. The topic of insulin was beaten to death there.

Here’s a bit of info to start you off with…

Do a Humalog shot 10min preworkout, drink Plazma intraworkout.
Example: 10iu insulin & 100g of carbs from Plazma

30 min after workout: 2 servings of MAG-10
60-90 min after MAG-10: eat a solid meal

This is a simple and very effective approach!
[/quote]

Shadow,

Indigo and MicroPa timing is the same?

What about the meal before the training? Is it worth 1.5 mag10 with micro pa 60 minutes before?

Should the solid postworkout meal contain carbs?

Does insuline modify the style of training? I mean it need volume and pump techniques?
[/quote]

Indigo and micropa stays the same as per recommendations on the bottle.

You can do 1-2 servings of MAG-10 at the same time as the micro-pa, that’s how I do It.

Post workout meal should contain carbs and protein but make sure you are increasing your carbs slowly!

No, it doesn’t really make a difference but I would continue to incorporate pump style training along with the regular heavy lifts regardless of what you’re taking.

947

[quote]Thor492 wrote:
actually no, junior bodybuilding. I am 19 almost 20, trying to push natty (other than mild clem usage when cutting phase arrives) for as long as possible. Already back up to 216 though. [/quote]

Keep pushing hard and try to put on some more muscle before stepping on stage again… Give yourself some time to grow. Good on you for wanting to stay natural, micro-pa would be an excellent choice for supplementation. It will give you a big jump in strength and muscle mass.

948

[quote]Mc777 wrote:
Shadow…
If one were to use orals only as a pre workout supplement while on an injectable cycle, rather than cycle the orals, which oral (or combination of orals) would you select? I currently use dianabol on occasion as a pre workout boost, would anadrol perhaps suit this purpose better?.. The goal would be added fullness/ strength/ aggression during the workout. [/quote]

I wouldn’t use orals this way. Either use them in the cycle or don’t… It doesn’t substitute as a preworkout. You won’t get the benefit that they can give you and you run all of the same risks.

949

[quote]ndim wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, I’m 28 yrsold, 5’9’', 210 lbs, bf is around 10%. Started dieting for 4 weeks now, been on 500/week test C (the first 3 weeks) then switched to 250 test C and 225 tren A and 80 mcg of clen.

I have done a number of cycles before, always competed as LHW at 180-184 lbs. For my previous shows I usually stay lean year around (198-195lbs) and make my way to 180-184lbs. However, this year I wanted to put on some weight specially in my weak legs and back, took a year off, bulked up to 232lbs (heaviest I have been, with decent condition).

For my previous shows, my diet was 250g proteins, 150g carb and I add a tbs of oil (or equivalent amount of almonds) with every meal. Cardio as needed, (I start hard (HIIT) and cut it towards the end). The main issue is, I tried to change things a lil for this prep and experiment by taking out the added oils (only fat are traces from meat sources). The thing is I have been 206 for 3 weeks now. I’m a lil worried now, since I look worse 6 weeks out now than 6 wks out of my last show. I usually lean very fast. In some shows, I would lean on test and clen only and get a very good placing (top 4 out of 12-16 guys). But for some reason, this year, my body is not responding well. Do you have any suggestions or ideas to share? Thankx a lot. [/quote]

Can you please post pictures so I can see who I’m dealing with. It could be numerous different things and every prep is different so it really depends. Lack of fat can sometimes make you look flat. Also, because you might have gained more fat in the offseason compared to usual and it takes longer to get it off.

Post pics and current diet then I’ll make suggestions based on what I see.
[/quote]
Thanks shadow. Here are some current pics (the ones in the kitchen), pics at 6 wks out last year *locker room) and pics couple of hours before pre-judging of last yearâ??s contest (in grey boxer). You can find them here; My Files
Current diet,

  1. 7 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1 tbs of coconut oil
  2. 6 oz. of chicken, 2 slices of bread, 2 tbs of peanut butter
  3. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 24 pieces of almonds
  4. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies
  5. 8 oz. of tilapia, 6 oz. of sweet potato (pre-workout meal)
  6. 1 scoop of whey
  7. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 1 tbs of olive oil
    Comes to about, 315 g of proteins, 63 g of carbs and 65 g of fat = 2135 calories (current weight = 206 lbs at 5â??9â??â??)

Water about 1.25-1.5 gallon a day, sodium moderate amounts with every meal (baby pickles).

Also, I have 1 high carb day (middle of week, on a leg day where I go to 200 g of carbs and reduce fats to 45 g). I also have a cheat meal at the end of week where I eat some steak/desert.

I lift 6 days a week pre-contest and do cardio afterwards: 25 min 6 days a week (mix of HIIT and LIIT) (where I burn about 200-250 calories on elliptical, by the time im done with cardio, I noticed that I get VERY sweaty, maybe coz of tren?).

Gear: 250/wk test C, 225/wk tren A and 80 mcg/day of clen, Aromasin 12.5 ed, Caber 0.25 e3d. This is the first time I run Aromasin (to be honest, I got it from a friend for free however I got Caber beforehand because it was the first timeto run tren).
[/quote]

I don’t see any pictures here, try to post them again. Thanks.

950

Do you believe that GH can cause insulin dependency (Diabetes) over long term use?

951

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]bishlawy wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Chapeloere wrote:
Depends if you are trying to get lean or to add mass. If you are trying to add mass I would say post workout and before bed would be your best option(no less than 6iu/day). And if you’re trying to get lean you can do first thing in the morning and 90min pre workout(about 2-4iu/day will work)

You should it everyday.

If you use HGH postworkout… Do you have to wait 1h behore you can drink your carb/protein shake and meal?
Because 1h before hgh and 1h after hgh you shouldn’t eat suagers? [/quote]

Not sure where you got this idea. If you are trying to get bigger there’s no reason to wait after your GH, you want the GH and the insulin spike to work together in order to encourage growth.

The only reason you would have GH on an empty stomach (30-40min before food) is if you’re trying to get lean.

If you are doing your GH post workout and your goal is to grow then you don’t need to wait for your shake.
[/quote]

Hello Shadowpro,
For many years there was a saying that if you consume carbs after or directly before pinning GH your body would secrete Insulin which will cancel out the GH effect, that’s where it came from, actually Milos Sarcev is the one who still advocate to wait minimum 2 hours between GH shot and slin shot, so i see you don’t agree, right?[/quote]

No I don’t agree with this, it depends on your goal and why you are using the GH… Where did you see Milos make this recommendation? [/quote]

Long Story and debate between Milos and Chad Nicholas.
below are some of Milos Quotes,if interested grant me permission to PM you the whole link and debate along with Late Nasser story. donno if am allowed to post external links here!!

Milos: if you believe me (as I know many others state otherwise): mind as well throw away your GH if you â??plan to take it WITH the meal, especially containing fast carbs…
â??
GH and insulin SHOULD never be mixed together (or released in blood stream at the same time…as â??they are COUNTER-REGULATORY HORMONES…Fire and water…GH/fire will be “killed” with â??Insulin/water…every time).
â??
Take GH on EMPTY STOMACH with normal blood sugar levels - when there is no reason for your â??pancreas to release insulin…and if you take Humalog - you must wait 4 hours for it’s effect to â??diminish before you can inject GH…
â??
Otherwise - you are WASTING IT…â??)

952

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, I’m 28 yrsold, 5’9’', 210 lbs, bf is around 10%. Started dieting for 4 weeks now, been on 500/week test C (the first 3 weeks) then switched to 250 test C and 225 tren A and 80 mcg of clen.

I have done a number of cycles before, always competed as LHW at 180-184 lbs. For my previous shows I usually stay lean year around (198-195lbs) and make my way to 180-184lbs. However, this year I wanted to put on some weight specially in my weak legs and back, took a year off, bulked up to 232lbs (heaviest I have been, with decent condition).

For my previous shows, my diet was 250g proteins, 150g carb and I add a tbs of oil (or equivalent amount of almonds) with every meal. Cardio as needed, (I start hard (HIIT) and cut it towards the end). The main issue is, I tried to change things a lil for this prep and experiment by taking out the added oils (only fat are traces from meat sources). The thing is I have been 206 for 3 weeks now. I’m a lil worried now, since I look worse 6 weeks out now than 6 wks out of my last show. I usually lean very fast. In some shows, I would lean on test and clen only and get a very good placing (top 4 out of 12-16 guys). But for some reason, this year, my body is not responding well. Do you have any suggestions or ideas to share? Thankx a lot. [/quote]

Can you please post pictures so I can see who I’m dealing with. It could be numerous different things and every prep is different so it really depends. Lack of fat can sometimes make you look flat. Also, because you might have gained more fat in the offseason compared to usual and it takes longer to get it off.

Post pics and current diet then I’ll make suggestions based on what I see.
[/quote]
Thanks shadow. Here are some current pics (the ones in the kitchen), pics at 6 wks out last year *locker room) and pics couple of hours before pre-judging of last year�¢??s contest (in grey boxer). You can find them here; My Files
Current diet,

  1. 7 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1 tbs of coconut oil
  2. 6 oz. of chicken, 2 slices of bread, 2 tbs of peanut butter
  3. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 24 pieces of almonds
  4. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies
  5. 8 oz. of tilapia, 6 oz. of sweet potato (pre-workout meal)
  6. 1 scoop of whey
  7. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 1 tbs of olive oil
    Comes to about, 315 g of proteins, 63 g of carbs and 65 g of fat = 2135 calories (current weight = 206 lbs at 5�¢??9�¢??�¢??)

Water about 1.25-1.5 gallon a day, sodium moderate amounts with every meal (baby pickles).

Also, I have 1 high carb day (middle of week, on a leg day where I go to 200 g of carbs and reduce fats to 45 g). I also have a cheat meal at the end of week where I eat some steak/desert.

I lift 6 days a week pre-contest and do cardio afterwards: 25 min 6 days a week (mix of HIIT and LIIT) (where I burn about 200-250 calories on elliptical, by the time im done with cardio, I noticed that I get VERY sweaty, maybe coz of tren?).

Gear: 250/wk test C, 225/wk tren A and 80 mcg/day of clen, Aromasin 12.5 ed, Caber 0.25 e3d. This is the first time I run Aromasin (to be honest, I got it from a friend for free however I got Caber beforehand because it was the first timeto run tren).
[/quote]

I don’t see any pictures here, try to post them again. Thanks.
[/quote]

I’m sorry, I tried to upload multiple pictures but I couldn’t make it work. Please find here links to the uploaded pics. I hope this would work.

http://pho.to/7MsF3

http://postimg.org/gallery/1s7ceu1y/

953

[quote]bishlawy wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]bishlawy wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Chapeloere wrote:
Depends if you are trying to get lean or to add mass. If you are trying to add mass I would say post workout and before bed would be your best option(no less than 6iu/day). And if you’re trying to get lean you can do first thing in the morning and 90min pre workout(about 2-4iu/day will work)

You should it everyday.

If you use HGH postworkout… Do you have to wait 1h behore you can drink your carb/protein shake and meal?
Because 1h before hgh and 1h after hgh you shouldn’t eat suagers? [/quote]

Not sure where you got this idea. If you are trying to get bigger there’s no reason to wait after your GH, you want the GH and the insulin spike to work together in order to encourage growth.

The only reason you would have GH on an empty stomach (30-40min before food) is if you’re trying to get lean.

If you are doing your GH post workout and your goal is to grow then you don’t need to wait for your shake.
[/quote]

Hello Shadowpro,
For many years there was a saying that if you consume carbs after or directly before pinning GH your body would secrete Insulin which will cancel out the GH effect, that’s where it came from, actually Milos Sarcev is the one who still advocate to wait minimum 2 hours between GH shot and slin shot, so i see you don’t agree, right?[/quote]

No I don’t agree with this, it depends on your goal and why you are using the GH… Where did you see Milos make this recommendation? [/quote]

Long Story and debate between Milos and Chad Nicholas.
below are some of Milos Quotes,if interested grant me permission to PM you the whole link and debate along with Late Nasser story. donno if am allowed to post external links here!!

Milos: if you believe me (as I know many others state otherwise): mind as well throw away your GH if you â??plan to take it WITH the meal, especially containing fast carbs…
â??
GH and insulin SHOULD never be mixed together (or released in blood stream at the same time…as â??they are COUNTER-REGULATORY HORMONES…Fire and water…GH/fire will be “killed” with â??Insulin/water…every time).
â??
Take GH on EMPTY STOMACH with normal blood sugar levels - when there is no reason for your â??pancreas to release insulin…and if you take Humalog - you must wait 4 hours for it’s effect to â??diminish before you can inject GH…
â??
Otherwise - you are WASTING IT…â??)

[/quote]

Again, it depends on your goal. GH and insulin together create igf-1 and this is the most important for growth. When you are trying to add mass you want these two hormones working together but if you are trying to get lean definitely take the GH alone on an empty stomach and eat 30-40min after.

There are also studies that show the anabolic effects of GH are potentiated when used with insulin… Real results have confirmed this research that when GH is used with insulin it’s lipolytic effects are reduced but it’s anabolic action is enhanced. This synergy leads to greater muscle growth. Now as I said, if fat loss is the goal then everything changes.

954

[quote]ndim wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, I’m 28 yrsold, 5’9’', 210 lbs, bf is around 10%. Started dieting for 4 weeks now, been on 500/week test C (the first 3 weeks) then switched to 250 test C and 225 tren A and 80 mcg of clen.

I have done a number of cycles before, always competed as LHW at 180-184 lbs. For my previous shows I usually stay lean year around (198-195lbs) and make my way to 180-184lbs. However, this year I wanted to put on some weight specially in my weak legs and back, took a year off, bulked up to 232lbs (heaviest I have been, with decent condition).

For my previous shows, my diet was 250g proteins, 150g carb and I add a tbs of oil (or equivalent amount of almonds) with every meal. Cardio as needed, (I start hard (HIIT) and cut it towards the end). The main issue is, I tried to change things a lil for this prep and experiment by taking out the added oils (only fat are traces from meat sources). The thing is I have been 206 for 3 weeks now. I’m a lil worried now, since I look worse 6 weeks out now than 6 wks out of my last show. I usually lean very fast. In some shows, I would lean on test and clen only and get a very good placing (top 4 out of 12-16 guys). But for some reason, this year, my body is not responding well. Do you have any suggestions or ideas to share? Thankx a lot. [/quote]

Can you please post pictures so I can see who I’m dealing with. It could be numerous different things and every prep is different so it really depends. Lack of fat can sometimes make you look flat. Also, because you might have gained more fat in the offseason compared to usual and it takes longer to get it off.

Post pics and current diet then I’ll make suggestions based on what I see.
[/quote]
Thanks shadow. Here are some current pics (the ones in the kitchen), pics at 6 wks out last year *locker room) and pics couple of hours before pre-judging of last year�?�¢??s contest (in grey boxer). You can find them here; My Files
Current diet,

  1. 7 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1 tbs of coconut oil
  2. 6 oz. of chicken, 2 slices of bread, 2 tbs of peanut butter
  3. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 24 pieces of almonds
  4. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies
  5. 8 oz. of tilapia, 6 oz. of sweet potato (pre-workout meal)
  6. 1 scoop of whey
  7. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 1 tbs of olive oil
    Comes to about, 315 g of proteins, 63 g of carbs and 65 g of fat = 2135 calories (current weight = 206 lbs at 5�?�¢??9�?�¢??�?�¢??)

Water about 1.25-1.5 gallon a day, sodium moderate amounts with every meal (baby pickles).

Also, I have 1 high carb day (middle of week, on a leg day where I go to 200 g of carbs and reduce fats to 45 g). I also have a cheat meal at the end of week where I eat some steak/desert.

I lift 6 days a week pre-contest and do cardio afterwards: 25 min 6 days a week (mix of HIIT and LIIT) (where I burn about 200-250 calories on elliptical, by the time im done with cardio, I noticed that I get VERY sweaty, maybe coz of tren?).

Gear: 250/wk test C, 225/wk tren A and 80 mcg/day of clen, Aromasin 12.5 ed, Caber 0.25 e3d. This is the first time I run Aromasin (to be honest, I got it from a friend for free however I got Caber beforehand because it was the first timeto run tren).
[/quote]

I don’t see any pictures here, try to post them again. Thanks.
[/quote]

I’m sorry, I tried to upload multiple pictures but I couldn’t make it work. Please find here links to the uploaded pics. I hope this would work.

http://pho.to/7MsF3

http://postimg.org/gallery/1s7ceu1y/
[/quote]

Which pictures are current? The first 3 pictures you are in good condition but in the bottom pictures you are very off so I’m trying to understand the timeline here.

From looking at your diet, the first thing that pops out at me is that your fat intake is very high and unless you’re doing a keto diet (which you’re not) then this is not appropriate for a competition diet.

Also, a cheat meal and a high carb day with this amount of fat is too much. Pick one or the other.

I would add the Plazma intraworkout as your main (and possibly only) carb source at this point. Cut the fat down significantly. Eliminate either the cheat meal or high carb day.

955

[quote]CxTucker wrote:
Do you believe that GH can cause insulin dependency (Diabetes) over long term use?[/quote]

This hasn’t been proven, but as long as you aren’t doing insane dosages for long periods of time it’s pretty safe. I have done my fair share of REAL GH and I have never had any issues with insulin dependency.

956

I don’t understand.

You say insuline and hgh should be used together PWO.
But you said before insuline is best used Pre workout?
Or do you use insuline before and after training?

Thx

957

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, I’m 28 yrsold, 5’9’', 210 lbs, bf is around 10%. Started dieting for 4 weeks now, been on 500/week test C (the first 3 weeks) then switched to 250 test C and 225 tren A and 80 mcg of clen.

I have done a number of cycles before, always competed as LHW at 180-184 lbs. For my previous shows I usually stay lean year around (198-195lbs) and make my way to 180-184lbs. However, this year I wanted to put on some weight specially in my weak legs and back, took a year off, bulked up to 232lbs (heaviest I have been, with decent condition).

For my previous shows, my diet was 250g proteins, 150g carb and I add a tbs of oil (or equivalent amount of almonds) with every meal. Cardio as needed, (I start hard (HIIT) and cut it towards the end). The main issue is, I tried to change things a lil for this prep and experiment by taking out the added oils (only fat are traces from meat sources). The thing is I have been 206 for 3 weeks now. I’m a lil worried now, since I look worse 6 weeks out now than 6 wks out of my last show. I usually lean very fast. In some shows, I would lean on test and clen only and get a very good placing (top 4 out of 12-16 guys). But for some reason, this year, my body is not responding well. Do you have any suggestions or ideas to share? Thankx a lot. [/quote]

Can you please post pictures so I can see who I’m dealing with. It could be numerous different things and every prep is different so it really depends. Lack of fat can sometimes make you look flat. Also, because you might have gained more fat in the offseason compared to usual and it takes longer to get it off.

Post pics and current diet then I’ll make suggestions based on what I see.
[/quote]
Thanks shadow. Here are some current pics (the ones in the kitchen), pics at 6 wks out last year *locker room) and pics couple of hours before pre-judging of last year�??�?�¢??s contest (in grey boxer). You can find them here; My Files
Current diet,

  1. 7 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1 tbs of coconut oil
  2. 6 oz. of chicken, 2 slices of bread, 2 tbs of peanut butter
  3. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 24 pieces of almonds
  4. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies
  5. 8 oz. of tilapia, 6 oz. of sweet potato (pre-workout meal)
  6. 1 scoop of whey
  7. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 1 tbs of olive oil
    Comes to about, 315 g of proteins, 63 g of carbs and 65 g of fat = 2135 calories (current weight = 206 lbs at 5�??�?�¢??9�??�?�¢??�??�?�¢??)

Water about 1.25-1.5 gallon a day, sodium moderate amounts with every meal (baby pickles).

Also, I have 1 high carb day (middle of week, on a leg day where I go to 200 g of carbs and reduce fats to 45 g). I also have a cheat meal at the end of week where I eat some steak/desert.

I lift 6 days a week pre-contest and do cardio afterwards: 25 min 6 days a week (mix of HIIT and LIIT) (where I burn about 200-250 calories on elliptical, by the time im done with cardio, I noticed that I get VERY sweaty, maybe coz of tren?).

Gear: 250/wk test C, 225/wk tren A and 80 mcg/day of clen, Aromasin 12.5 ed, Caber 0.25 e3d. This is the first time I run Aromasin (to be honest, I got it from a friend for free however I got Caber beforehand because it was the first timeto run tren).
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I don’t see any pictures here, try to post them again. Thanks.
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I’m sorry, I tried to upload multiple pictures but I couldn’t make it work. Please find here links to the uploaded pics. I hope this would work.

http://pho.to/7MsF3

http://postimg.org/gallery/1s7ceu1y/
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Which pictures are current? The first 3 pictures you are in good condition but in the bottom pictures you are very off so I’m trying to understand the timeline here.

From looking at your diet, the first thing that pops out at me is that your fat intake is very high and unless you’re doing a keto diet (which you’re not) then this is not appropriate for a competition diet.

Also, a cheat meal and a high carb day with this amount of fat is too much. Pick one or the other.

I would add the Plazma intraworkout as your main (and possibly only) carb source at this point. Cut the fat down significantly. Eliminate either the cheat meal or high carb day.
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thanks shadow.

pics 1-3 were couple of hours before pre-judging of last year’s contest, 4-5 were 6 weeks out of that contest, the last 3 pics are now at 6 week’s out of this year’s contest.

How much shall reduce my fats? any grams recommendations?

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Hey Shadow Pro!!
Also, your opinion on injecting around 75 : 100 Units of Slow release Slin , first thing in the morning like Humilin U or LAntus , to ensure positive Anabolic state during the day , maximize the IGF1 environment. Do you agree here!!!

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ndim wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, I’m 28 yrsold, 5’9’', 210 lbs, bf is around 10%. Started dieting for 4 weeks now, been on 500/week test C (the first 3 weeks) then switched to 250 test C and 225 tren A and 80 mcg of clen.

I have done a number of cycles before, always competed as LHW at 180-184 lbs. For my previous shows I usually stay lean year around (198-195lbs) and make my way to 180-184lbs. However, this year I wanted to put on some weight specially in my weak legs and back, took a year off, bulked up to 232lbs (heaviest I have been, with decent condition).

For my previous shows, my diet was 250g proteins, 150g carb and I add a tbs of oil (or equivalent amount of almonds) with every meal. Cardio as needed, (I start hard (HIIT) and cut it towards the end). The main issue is, I tried to change things a lil for this prep and experiment by taking out the added oils (only fat are traces from meat sources). The thing is I have been 206 for 3 weeks now. I’m a lil worried now, since I look worse 6 weeks out now than 6 wks out of my last show. I usually lean very fast. In some shows, I would lean on test and clen only and get a very good placing (top 4 out of 12-16 guys). But for some reason, this year, my body is not responding well. Do you have any suggestions or ideas to share? Thankx a lot. [/quote]

Can you please post pictures so I can see who I’m dealing with. It could be numerous different things and every prep is different so it really depends. Lack of fat can sometimes make you look flat. Also, because you might have gained more fat in the offseason compared to usual and it takes longer to get it off.

Post pics and current diet then I’ll make suggestions based on what I see.
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Thanks shadow. Here are some current pics (the ones in the kitchen), pics at 6 wks out last year *locker room) and pics couple of hours before pre-judging of last year�??�?�¢??s contest (in grey boxer). You can find them here; My Files
Current diet,

  1. 7 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1 tbs of coconut oil
  2. 6 oz. of chicken, 2 slices of bread, 2 tbs of peanut butter
  3. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 24 pieces of almonds
  4. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies
  5. 8 oz. of tilapia, 6 oz. of sweet potato (pre-workout meal)
  6. 1 scoop of whey
  7. 8 oz. of tilapia, 1 cup of veggies, 1 tbs of olive oil
    Comes to about, 315 g of proteins, 63 g of carbs and 65 g of fat = 2135 calories (current weight = 206 lbs at 5�??�?�¢??9�??�?�¢??�??�?�¢??)

Water about 1.25-1.5 gallon a day, sodium moderate amounts with every meal (baby pickles).

Also, I have 1 high carb day (middle of week, on a leg day where I go to 200 g of carbs and reduce fats to 45 g). I also have a cheat meal at the end of week where I eat some steak/desert.

I lift 6 days a week pre-contest and do cardio afterwards: 25 min 6 days a week (mix of HIIT and LIIT) (where I burn about 200-250 calories on elliptical, by the time im done with cardio, I noticed that I get VERY sweaty, maybe coz of tren?).

Gear: 250/wk test C, 225/wk tren A and 80 mcg/day of clen, Aromasin 12.5 ed, Caber 0.25 e3d. This is the first time I run Aromasin (to be honest, I got it from a friend for free however I got Caber beforehand because it was the first timeto run tren).
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I don’t see any pictures here, try to post them again. Thanks.
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I’m sorry, I tried to upload multiple pictures but I couldn’t make it work. Please find here links to the uploaded pics. I hope this would work.

http://pho.to/7MsF3

http://postimg.org/gallery/1s7ceu1y/
[/quote]

Which pictures are current? The first 3 pictures you are in good condition but in the bottom pictures you are very off so I’m trying to understand the timeline here.

From looking at your diet, the first thing that pops out at me is that your fat intake is very high and unless you’re doing a keto diet (which you’re not) then this is not appropriate for a competition diet.

Also, a cheat meal and a high carb day with this amount of fat is too much. Pick one or the other.

I would add the Plazma intraworkout as your main (and possibly only) carb source at this point. Cut the fat down significantly. Eliminate either the cheat meal or high carb day.
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Thanks shadow, pics 1-3 were before prejudging of last year contest, 4 and 5 were takem at six weekd out of that contest, and ladt three pics are taken at 6 weeksout of my coming contest.

How many grams of carbs and fats shall i take? What about gear dosages (test n tren)? Di u think i should compete this year or call it iff?

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[quote]Chapeloere wrote:
I don’t understand.

You say insuline and hgh should be used together PWO.
But you said before insuline is best used Pre workout?
Or do you use insuline before and after training?

Thx[/quote]

I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand. There isn’t ONLY one way to use insulin. It all depends on your individual goals, you can utilize it in many different ways.

You can read lots of examples of different ways to use insulin if you read my first thread. I also never said you SHOULD use insulin and GH together, I said it’s an option.