Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

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Hey Shadow. Im a former powerlifter who just turned 16, when i decided to start bodybuilding instead. So im trying out physike Class. Im going to start my 2nd cycle, 1st as bb. So im not sure how it should look. Hope you Can fix it. Stats is 1,80 cm and 1rep is around 270 lbs for the tre Big.

Here is my cycle:
12 weeks of test E. Inject 250 mg Monday and Tursday.
In week 6-12 I add 50mg rexobol (wins) ed
I have been wondering if I should use arimidex along with the Test. Like 0,5 mg eod?

After last Injektion, I use 40 mg of Clomid - and 50 mg of Nolva ed in 4 weeks.
In week 14 i start pct, i have no idea how to set my pct up, but I planed it to be 2 weeks.

What you think?

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[quote]YoungGun1998 wrote:
Hey Shadow. Im a former powerlifter who just turned 16, when i decided to start bodybuilding instead. So im trying out physike Class. Im going to start my 2nd cycle, 1st as bb. [/quote]

lol. After reading a plethora of intros like this, I’m pretty sure Shadow Pro is himself considering a cycle of cyanide stacked with hemlock!

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[quote]YoungGun1998 wrote:
Hey Shadow. Im a former powerlifter … and 1rep is around 270 lbs for the tre Big.

What you think?[/quote]

Your three big lifts are all 270? Surprising lack of distinction or detail from a former powerlifter.

Also he will want a picture before he gives out cycle advice.

Also yoi are 16, the answer will probably be wait…

Jus sayin’ But hey im not shadow.

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[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]YoungGun1998 wrote:
Hey Shadow. Im a former powerlifter … and 1rep is around 270 lbs for the tre Big.

What you think?[/quote]

Your three big lifts are all 270? Surprising lack of distinction or detail from a former powerlifter.

Also he will want a picture before he gives out cycle advice.

Also yoi are 16, the answer will probably be wait…

Jus sayin’ But hey im not shadow.[/quote]
Oh Well my lifts are around 270 raw, when i trained powerlifting and were on deca, my dl were on 450 and squat 400 and bp 420. Region champion. But just Want advice for bb now

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow did you look the results and pics from chicago?what you think of the condition and the placings?[/quote]

I thought Roelly looked pretty damn good considering he had a recent accident… A well deserved win in my eyes. Jojo Nitiforo was a big surprise for me, he looked very good and this was one of the only times I’ve seen him come ready. Essa obiad didn’t look conditioned from behind, very soft in the glutes and hams.

In the 212, tricky Jackson got a gift… I love this dude but he didn’t deserve to be in the top 5 here, his condition just wasn’t there.[/quote]

spot on analysis!
Roelly was great,especially when he posed,when he stood relaxed looked kind of off.but look at his most muscular,and the striations in the back poses…
essa was good from the front but soft from the back,huge and soft glutes.
jojo the surprise of the night,in the shape of his life i think!

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[quote]TT Eric wrote:
My 1st post in your thread, I want to say I really appreciate reading you, it’s so easy to read and clear! It’s nice to see you answering so on point to all questions. Plenty of valuable info!

I do have a question for natties. I’ve talked with a pro about a year ago and he convinced me that those who don’t take exo GH should wait at least an hour PWO to have carbs to allow maximum natural production of GH. He told me I should take a good amount of carbs an hour before training to help drive the workout, then have a protein shake right after training to shut down cortisol (that should not block GH production he says) and have a carbs meal an hour later, when insulin sensibility is still good.

Since you are a fan of carbs intra-workout, I would like your input on that!

Do you think it’s a good protocol or the little GH produced is not worth it and adding carbs intra workout would build more muscle ?

Thanks

Eric[/quote]

Glad you like it, thanks for joining us here.

In the big picture intraworkout carbs would contribute much more to muscle growth and recovery than the insignificant amount of GH that your body releases naturally.

I would drink the Plazma intraworkout and do a protein pulse with the MAG-10 30min post workout then eat a regular meal 30-60min after that. That would be my best recommendation for perfecting your intra and post workout nutrition.

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[quote]mustacequestion wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]mustacequestion wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]mustacequestion wrote:
hey, i am wondering if you could give me an idea of what is attainable with the following.

Goal is to increase recovery and add weight

  1. Insulin alone 6 iu per workout 3x per week for 4 weeks, then 12 months of 1mg of hgh per day and low-moderate dose of IGF-1

  2. Insulin same time as the hgh and IGF, maybe 2 or 3 times over 12 months

is insulin sensitivity a big concern, what have you experienced with your BG while using growth hormone and insulin?

This of course would all be medical grade
[/quote]

I don’t know what you mean by what is attainable… Attainable is what you make of it. It depends how hard you train, how good your diet is and many other variables. It varies from person to person.

I would always do the insulin and the GH in the same cycle, don’t do the insulin by itself unless you are VERY lean… GH can be run by itself though.

Use the insulin pre workout and then use Plazma intraworkout. Use igf post workout and inject into the muscle that you just train, dosage depends on experience and training level.

Give me some more details about yourself and I can help you further. A picture helps me out a lot.

As long as you’re taking breaks from insulin then you shouldn’t have issues with insulin sensitivity. General rule is not to stay on longer than 6 weeks and take 6 weeks off. You need to be very lean (about 8%)when you start using insulin or it can encourage more fat accumulation. Make sure diet is 100% clean while you’re on it and don’t consume fats within 4 hours of the shot.[/quote]

By attainable I mean how much weight do you think is realistic to add, and how great would the effect be on my recovery time?

I am not very concerned about looks so i think a picture doesnt add much.
but i am concerned about increased performance, and feeling healthy. Fat gain is okay, as long as im fending off, and overcoming injuries, fatigue and unwanted weight loss.

I will have to take a look at the carbs in the plazma, i had other things planned but will look at it. insulin injections would be IM btw

details: age 23 height 6’2 170lbs. bf 10% ish.
been in sports all my life but 5 years of serious training, competitive sports - now there are no stats to speak of, but experience is there - just lacking the vitality to get back into real training

T levels are rather low, by the looks i think i will be a trt patient before 30.
350 ng/dl where a healthy range is 270-1070ng/dl

[/quote]

6’ 2", 170lbs considering using slin.

What a world.[/quote]

Lol, give the guy a break… Maybe he meant 270![/quote]

yea well, am i missing the whole point of using anabolic substances? using stuff to gain weight is only acceptable if i weighed enough already? :slight_smile:

without the picture, could you give me an idea. not asking for anything precise just a realistic range.

I have not really formed an opinion on test yet, i feel more comfortable with the peptides: insulin igf and gh…

i dont think diet is the problem here, being able to recover well enough from a real exercise has to come before the binge eating. Eating has also limited effect as of now, thyroids need to be treated…

what exact harm of insulin are you referring to, I cant really think of any special drawbacks for people that are lean already? I rate it very high in terms of effectiveness and safety

and yogi, what exactly is so shocking about wanting to use an this particular substance? what, am i supposed to revere and fear insulin until reaching a certain weight? most people would agree that simple&effective is a neat package

[/quote]

You’re worried about taking testosterone but you’ll risk using one of the most dangerous drugs out there…something that can kill you in minutes if not used correctly. A safe peptide? No…Insulin is a hormone that must be used with extreme caution.

Also, you mentioned that you don’t think diet is an issue? You can go ahead and use insulin with a shitty diet and turn into a fat ass, if you aren’t following a proper nutritional plan insulin will be disastrous for your body. And if you have a thyroid issue, how about starting to treat that issue before resorting to a diabetic drug to gain weight.

The more I read your posts, the more reasons I have to recommend that you don’t use any drugs. The amount of weight you gain from insulin could be 2 pounds or it could be 40, completely individual based on many factors.

A simple google search will inform you how dangerous insulin is… You’re a big boy and I don’t need to lecture you about the possible outcomes.

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[quote]YoungGun1998 wrote:
Hey Shadow. Im a former powerlifter who just turned 16, when i decided to start bodybuilding instead. So im trying out physike Class. Im going to start my 2nd cycle, 1st as bb. So im not sure how it should look. Hope you Can fix it. Stats is 1,80 cm and 1rep is around 270 lbs for the tre Big.

Here is my cycle:
12 weeks of test E. Inject 250 mg Monday and Tursday.
In week 6-12 I add 50mg rexobol (wins) ed
I have been wondering if I should use arimidex along with the Test. Like 0,5 mg eod?

After last Injektion, I use 40 mg of Clomid - and 50 mg of Nolva ed in 4 weeks.
In week 14 i start pct, i have no idea how to set my pct up, but I planed it to be 2 weeks.

What you think?[/quote]

Ok, I’ll say it here plain and simple… A 16 year old has no business using steroids, and what worries me the most is that you are looking at a second cycle.

It’s going to shut down your natural hormones(which are just starting to peak now) you can make amazing gains just with training and diet alone. If you take something now it will not allow you to reach your natural potential and is going to hurt you big time in the long run.

Any gains you have, you’ll lose right away…look at your lifts for example, you said you lifted 450 when you were on and now it’s back to 270… There’s no way in hell you should ever lose almost 200lbs from a lift. The weights you are lifting right now aren’t significant and if you want to continue to improve and keep relying on drugs to do this, how much do you plan on taking when you’re 30?

Get your diet on track and learn about training and proper supplementation. I will NEVER recommend a 16 year old to take gear, it’s absolutely ridiculous. Whoever gave you this advice to begin with is a complete moron, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it wasn’t your idea because I want you to learn.

I know it doesn’t sound sound important right now but if you ever want to have a family in the future… You’re going to fuck it up right now if you pursue this.

If you want some help with training and supplement advice, post a picture here with some current info about your diet and training and I’ll give you REAL advice for something that will actually help you at this point.

You’re 16… Not a time to make “career” changes, just get strong and big… You can do bodybuilding and powerlifting.

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[quote]Random Weights wrote:

[quote]YoungGun1998 wrote:
Hey Shadow. Im a former powerlifter who just turned 16, when i decided to start bodybuilding instead. So im trying out physike Class. Im going to start my 2nd cycle, 1st as bb. [/quote]

lol. After reading a plethora of intros like this, I’m pretty sure Shadow Pro is himself considering a cycle of cyanide stacked with hemlock!

[/quote]

You read my mind…

Holy fuck…Wait, don’t mention that “cycle” here because someone might try it.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TT Eric wrote:
My 1st post in your thread, I want to say I really appreciate reading you, it’s so easy to read and clear! It’s nice to see you answering so on point to all questions. Plenty of valuable info!

I do have a question for natties. I’ve talked with a pro about a year ago and he convinced me that those who don’t take exo GH should wait at least an hour PWO to have carbs to allow maximum natural production of GH. He told me I should take a good amount of carbs an hour before training to help drive the workout, then have a protein shake right after training to shut down cortisol (that should not block GH production he says) and have a carbs meal an hour later, when insulin sensibility is still good.

Since you are a fan of carbs intra-workout, I would like your input on that!

Do you think it’s a good protocol or the little GH produced is not worth it and adding carbs intra workout would build more muscle ?

Thanks

Eric[/quote]

Glad you like it, thanks for joining us here.

In the big picture intraworkout carbs would contribute much more to muscle growth and recovery than the insignificant amount of GH that your body releases naturally.

I would drink the Plazma intraworkout intraworkout and do a protein pulse with the MAG-10 30min post workout then eat a regular meal 30-60min after that. That would be my best recommendation for perfecting your intra and post workout nutrition.

[/quote]

You mean Plazma pre workout and intraworkout ?

Thanks

Eric

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[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]YoungGun1998 wrote:
Hey Shadow. Im a former powerlifter … and 1rep is around 270 lbs for the tre Big.

What you think?[/quote]

Your three big lifts are all 270? Surprising lack of distinction or detail from a former powerlifter.

Also he will want a picture before he gives out cycle advice.

Also yoi are 16, the answer will probably be wait…

Jus sayin’ But hey im not shadow.[/quote]

You got that right!

16… Too young

Picture, ALWAYS NEEDED!

And… I was hoping he meant 270kg.

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[quote]TT Eric wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TT Eric wrote:
My 1st post in your thread, I want to say I really appreciate reading you, it’s so easy to read and clear! It’s nice to see you answering so on point to all questions. Plenty of valuable info!

I do have a question for natties. I’ve talked with a pro about a year ago and he convinced me that those who don’t take exo GH should wait at least an hour PWO to have carbs to allow maximum natural production of GH. He told me I should take a good amount of carbs an hour before training to help drive the workout, then have a protein shake right after training to shut down cortisol (that should not block GH production he says) and have a carbs meal an hour later, when insulin sensibility is still good.

Since you are a fan of carbs intra-workout, I would like your input on that!

Do you think it’s a good protocol or the little GH produced is not worth it and adding carbs intra workout would build more muscle ?

Thanks

Eric[/quote]

Glad you like it, thanks for joining us here.

In the big picture intraworkout carbs would contribute much more to muscle growth and recovery than the insignificant amount of GH that your body releases naturally.

I would drink the Plazma intraworkout intraworkout and do a protein pulse with the MAG-10 30min post workout then eat a regular meal 30-60min after that. That would be my best recommendation for perfecting your intra and post workout nutrition.

[/quote]

You mean Plazma pre workout and intraworkout ?

Thanks

Eric
[/quote]

You can start sipping the Plazma 15-20 min prior to your workout to preload and then continue to sip it throughout the whole workout. As long as you’re drinking it, you will be able to train longer and harder without hurting your recovery.

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[quote]mustacequestion wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]mustacequestion wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]mustacequestion wrote:
hey, i am wondering if you could give me an idea of what is attainable with the following.

Goal is to increase recovery and add weight

  1. Insulin alone 6 iu per workout 3x per week for 4 weeks, then 12 months of 1mg of hgh per day and low-moderate dose of IGF-1

  2. Insulin same time as the hgh and IGF, maybe 2 or 3 times over 12 months

is insulin sensitivity a big concern, what have you experienced with your BG while using growth hormone and insulin?

This of course would all be medical grade
[/quote]

I don’t know what you mean by what is attainable… Attainable is what you make of it. It depends how hard you train, how good your diet is and many other variables. It varies from person to person.

I would always do the insulin and the GH in the same cycle, don’t do the insulin by itself unless you are VERY lean… GH can be run by itself though.

Use the insulin pre workout and then use Plazma intraworkout. Use igf post workout and inject into the muscle that you just train, dosage depends on experience and training level.

Give me some more details about yourself and I can help you further. A picture helps me out a lot.

As long as you’re taking breaks from insulin then you shouldn’t have issues with insulin sensitivity. General rule is not to stay on longer than 6 weeks and take 6 weeks off. You need to be very lean (about 8%)when you start using insulin or it can encourage more fat accumulation. Make sure diet is 100% clean while you’re on it and don’t consume fats within 4 hours of the shot.[/quote]

By attainable I mean how much weight do you think is realistic to add, and how great would the effect be on my recovery time?

I am not very concerned about looks so i think a picture doesnt add much.
but i am concerned about increased performance, and feeling healthy. Fat gain is okay, as long as im fending off, and overcoming injuries, fatigue and unwanted weight loss.

I will have to take a look at the carbs in the plazma, i had other things planned but will look at it. insulin injections would be IM btw

details: age 23 height 6’2 170lbs. bf 10% ish.
been in sports all my life but 5 years of serious training, competitive sports - now there are no stats to speak of, but experience is there - just lacking the vitality to get back into real training

T levels are rather low, by the looks i think i will be a trt patient before 30.
350 ng/dl where a healthy range is 270-1070ng/dl

[/quote]

6’ 2", 170lbs considering using slin.

What a world.[/quote]

Lol, give the guy a break… Maybe he meant 270![/quote]

yea well, am i missing the whole point of using anabolic substances? using stuff to gain weight is only acceptable if i weighed enough already? :slight_smile:

without the picture, could you give me an idea. not asking for anything precise just a realistic range.

I have not really formed an opinion on test yet, i feel more comfortable with the peptides: insulin igf and gh…

i dont think diet is the problem here, being able to recover well enough from a real exercise has to come before the binge eating. Eating has also limited effect as of now, thyroids need to be treated…

what exact harm of insulin are you referring to, I cant really think of any special drawbacks for people that are lean already? I rate it very high in terms of effectiveness and safety

and yogi, what exactly is so shocking about wanting to use an this particular substance? what, am i supposed to revere and fear insulin until reaching a certain weight? most people would agree that simple&effective is a neat package

[/quote]

Shadow Pro knocks it out the park yet again

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Shadow,

I think i read on one of your posts about changing esters and/or changing compounds every so many weeks to keep gains coming and i went back to try and find it and came up empty handed.

just in my experience i seem to hit plateaus about week 12-15 on enanthates and about week 8-11 on ace or the shorter esters… is this what you’ve found as well?

ive done a few cycles, some fairly large and some in the mid range. ive had test as high as 1200 and as low as 350 /week. tren as low as 500 and as high as 900 /week

EQ gives me headaches
primo at a noticeable dose makes my hair fall out, same with mast just not as much hairloss and is tolerable.
never used decca

love most any oral except for winny which havocs my joints but is tolerable to work around.

i’ve been messing with HGH and peps lately and I can very easily see how well they’d stack with a large gaining/mass type cycle. very easy to stay lean. 4iu hgh and 2 doses of peps per day make staying lean much simpler.

Im 6’1" and 225lbs in the mornings.

Im starting to plan my blast cycle for this winter and was wondering if you could help me put one together for size and strength. I’m looking to do atleast 1 strongman comp and 1 powerlifting meet next year.

high dose tren doesnt give me any noticable sides except night sweats which i have negated by not having carbs a few hours before bedtime.

I have access to most any injectable (npp, suspension, sust, t400, mast,…ect) and oral ( halo, oral tren, anavar… etc)

i come down to a cruise dose about 1-2 times per year for about 2 months.

I pin ED regardless of what compounds I use. i’ve seen my AI usage go down since i started pinning ED.

the only guideline for the cycle would be - no more than 35IU of GH per week just because its so damn expensive.

my avatar is my pic.

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"You’re worried about taking testosterone but you’ll risk using one of the most dangerous drugs out there…something that can kill you in minutes if not used correctly. A safe peptide? No…Insulin is a hormone that must be used with extreme caution.

Also, you mentioned that you don’t think diet is an issue? You can go ahead and use insulin with a shitty diet and turn into a fat ass, if you aren’t following a proper nutritional plan insulin will be disastrous for your body. And if you have a thyroid issue, how about starting to treat that issue before resorting to a diabetic drug to gain weight.

The more I read your posts, the more reasons I have to recommend that you don’t use any drugs. The amount of weight you gain from insulin could be 2 pounds or it could be 40, completely individual based on many factors.

A simple google search will inform you how dangerous insulin is… You’re a big boy and I don’t need to lecture you about the possible outcomes. "

i came here with questions about synergistic effect of those drugs. Just because i dont particularly state my knowledge of how this substance works does not mean that i dont know anything it. Insulin use is highly sophisticated in cycling, considering that you use humalog in training and not something really rapid acting, im gonna assume you havent even heard of the insulin analogs used in cycling… Knowledge about synergistic effects of these drugs in bulking purposes is however limited whithin long distance cycling

i said diet is not my primary issue - why do you automatically assume that it is crap?

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What are your thoughts on how GH effects thyroid down regulation as well as insulin sensitivity? Have you ever noticed any effects being above 4 ius all year?

77

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TT Eric wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TT Eric wrote:
My 1st post in your thread, I want to say I really appreciate reading you, it’s so easy to read and clear! It’s nice to see you answering so on point to all questions. Plenty of valuable info!

I do have a question for natties. I’ve talked with a pro about a year ago and he convinced me that those who don’t take exo GH should wait at least an hour PWO to have carbs to allow maximum natural production of GH. He told me I should take a good amount of carbs an hour before training to help drive the workout, then have a protein shake right after training to shut down cortisol (that should not block GH production he says) and have a carbs meal an hour later, when insulin sensibility is still good.

Since you are a fan of carbs intra-workout, I would like your input on that!

Do you think it’s a good protocol or the little GH produced is not worth it and adding carbs intra workout would build more muscle ?

Thanks

Eric[/quote]

Glad you like it, thanks for joining us here.

In the big picture intraworkout carbs would contribute much more to muscle growth and recovery than the insignificant amount of GH that your body releases naturally.

I would drink the Plazma intraworkout intraworkout and do a protein pulse with the MAG-10 30min post workout then eat a regular meal 30-60min after that. That would be my best recommendation for perfecting your intra and post workout nutrition.

[/quote]

You mean Plazma pre workout and intraworkout ?

Thanks

Eric
[/quote]

You can start sipping the Plazma 15-20 min prior to your workout to preload and then continue to sip it throughout the whole workout. As long as you’re drinking it, you will be able to train longer and harder without hurting your recovery.
[/quote]

Thanks! I ordered the 3-pack (Plazma, MAG-10 and Indigo3D). I’m currently dieting to be into single BF% and will try this when diet is done to make LBM gain.

Eric

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[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
Shadow,

I think i read on one of your posts about changing esters and/or changing compounds every so many weeks to keep gains coming and i went back to try and find it and came up empty handed.

just in my experience i seem to hit plateaus about week 12-15 on enanthates and about week 8-11 on ace or the shorter esters… is this what you’ve found as well?

ive done a few cycles, some fairly large and some in the mid range. ive had test as high as 1200 and as low as 350 /week. tren as low as 500 and as high as 900 /week

EQ gives me headaches
primo at a noticeable dose makes my hair fall out, same with mast just not as much hairloss and is tolerable.
never used decca

love most any oral except for winny which havocs my joints but is tolerable to work around.

i’ve been messing with HGH and peps lately and I can very easily see how well they’d stack with a large gaining/mass type cycle. very easy to stay lean. 4iu hgh and 2 doses of peps per day make staying lean much simpler.

Im 6’1" and 225lbs in the mornings.

Im starting to plan my blast cycle for this winter and was wondering if you could help me put one together for size and strength. I’m looking to do atleast 1 strongman comp and 1 powerlifting meet next year.

high dose tren doesnt give me any noticable sides except night sweats which i have negated by not having carbs a few hours before bedtime.

I have access to most any injectable (npp, suspension, sust, t400, mast,…ect) and oral ( halo, oral tren, anavar… etc)

i come down to a cruise dose about 1-2 times per year for about 2 months.

I pin ED regardless of what compounds I use. i’ve seen my AI usage go down since i started pinning ED.

the only guideline for the cycle would be - no more than 35IU of GH per week just because its so damn expensive.

my avatar is my pic.
[/quote]

Hi,

You’re right about the estimated time for the plateaus in the short and long esters, for me it’s a very similar time frame and this is when I know it’s time for a change.

Since strength is your main goal and you seem like an experience user, try something like this…

Week 1-12
Test-e @ 750-1000mg
Tren-a @ first 4 weeks 100mg/ED next 4 weeks 150mg/ED, last 4 weeks 175mg/ED
(You’d better be right that you have no problem with tren, or this dose will hit you hard) I love tren too and I’ve done this before with amazing results.
HGH 4-6iu/day
Nolvadex 20mg/ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week

Week 1-6
Dbol 50mg/day
Anadrol 50mg/day

Week 9-12
Halotestin @ 40-60mg/day

After these 12 weeks I would just cruise on test for at least 4-6 weeks and then start again. When you’re training for strength you don’t need to be fancy, you just need the basics and this combo would be an excellent strength cycle. You can use cheque drops in the last few weeks before your meet as well.

You are looking good in your picture, is strength your only goal or are you looking to add muscle? If you want to put on some size and don’t care about gaining weight or water retention then tell me and I can add/change something. Another great thing to help strength is to try test suspension pre workout and Plazma intraworkout.

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[quote]allencress wrote:
What are your thoughts on how GH effects thyroid down regulation as well as insulin sensitivity? Have you ever noticed any effects being above 4 ius all year? [/quote]

Hi allencress,

Personally I don’t notice any difference in insulin sensitivity when I’m on GH year round. My diet is always very high in carbs and I try to keep my bodyfat below 9% all year with no issues using high amounts of GH and insulin.

I have my thyroid checked regularly and it’s always in good function and around the same constant range. I don’t use any T3 in the off season and still stay on high amounts of GH. I have read the research that suggests that HGH can effect the thyroid gland but neither myself or my clients have had any issues. I can see this happening in cases where people have an underlying thyroid issue to begin with.

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[quote]TT Eric wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TT Eric wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TT Eric wrote:
My 1st post in your thread, I want to say I really appreciate reading you, it’s so easy to read and clear! It’s nice to see you answering so on point to all questions. Plenty of valuable info!

I do have a question for natties. I’ve talked with a pro about a year ago and he convinced me that those who don’t take exo GH should wait at least an hour PWO to have carbs to allow maximum natural production of GH. He told me I should take a good amount of carbs an hour before training to help drive the workout, then have a protein shake right after training to shut down cortisol (that should not block GH production he says) and have a carbs meal an hour later, when insulin sensibility is still good.

Since you are a fan of carbs intra-workout, I would like your input on that!

Do you think it’s a good protocol or the little GH produced is not worth it and adding carbs intra workout would build more muscle ?

Thanks

Eric[/quote]

Glad you like it, thanks for joining us here.

In the big picture intraworkout carbs would contribute much more to muscle growth and recovery than the insignificant amount of GH that your body releases naturally.

I would drink the Plazma intraworkout intraworkout and do a protein pulse with the MAG-10 30min post workout then eat a regular meal 30-60min after that. That would be my best recommendation for perfecting your intra and post workout nutrition.

[/quote]

You mean Plazma pre workout and intraworkout ?

Thanks

Eric
[/quote]

You can start sipping the Plazma 15-20 min prior to your workout to preload and then continue to sip it throughout the whole workout. As long as you’re drinking it, you will be able to train longer and harder without hurting your recovery.
[/quote]

Thanks! I ordered the 3-pack (Plazma, MAG-10 and Indigo3D). I’m currently dieting to be into single BF% and will try this when diet is done to make LBM gain.

Eric
[/quote]

Great choice, these are 3 of my favorite supplements.

I actually haven’t touched a lot about Indigo on this thread yet, but for dieting it’s one of the best supplements to use. You will lose fat while maintaining muscle fullness and get harder.