[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
Try doing the deload week from 5/3/1 for two weeks in a row, this can actually speed up recovery better than taking time off. Then try out a low volume program and don’t train to failure. Out of interest were you doing lots of intensity/beyond failure techniques like drop setsetc ?
I absolutely believe it could be overtraining btw.
-A recent Thib post…
"From working with a ton of Crossfit athlete, they all share one thing in common: they do too much.
Your body has a limited capacity to recover and constantly trying to do more and more work will lead to slow progress. The thing is that you will rarely notice it until its too late and by that time it can take 2-3 weeks of rest just to get back to normal.
It happened to one girl I was working with. I was doing her olympic lifting training but not her whole training plan. Her coach had her do an amazingly high amount of work. Early in the year it worked fined… she even beat Michel Letendre un a competition. But the closer she got to the open, the more drained she was. It got to a point where she would start crying for no reason and had depression-like symptoms. As a result she was not in the top 200 during the first 3 weeks of the open (she finished 6th at regionals the year prior). i told her to stop training until the open were over, only go to the gym to do the weekly WOD for the open. I gave her Brain Candy and tons of MAG-10. She slowly recovered and was able to qualify for the regionals, but finishing in the 40-48 rank. Then I told her to only to one training session per week until the regionals. Well at regionals she finished 4th and was 3rd until the last WOD (or next to last).
The moral of the story is that she almost threw away her season by doing too much and that it took her 6 weeks of rest to get back to her level of the beginning of the year."
Yea almost all my workouts were done to failure and drop sets were frequently incorporated along with super sets…
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Yeah this is often the case. When you do get back to normal training try and avoid going to failure and give up stuff like drop sets for good.
Hey Guys figured I would post here because I finally figured out my issue. I know I thought it was over training but it turns out I have Lyme disease (WT F i don’t even remember being bit). Luckily I think i caught it pretty early because I’m still able to carry on with daily living with few symptoms but anything I do that causes overexertion I definitively pay for the following days/nights. I honestly think I’ve had this for some time now but due to the way I work out and how freaking clean I eat have been able to keep the symptoms at bay.
Anyways, just waiting now to see a LLMD who will give me some antibiotics to hopefully put this piece of sh*t virus in remission. In the meantime however I have replaced all my carb sources with coconut oil and animal fats and adopting a ketogentic diet till this thing is taken care of. Anyways if you think you have any of these symptoms get your ass tested! I tested negative 4-5 times before they finally ordered a more comprehensive test that came back positive.
Also my white blood cell was extremely low ( in the 2’s i believe) so that’s also a good indicator I’m told . Anyways figured I’d let you guys know because I would hate to see someone make the same mistake I did for almost a year misdiagnosing themselves.
I’m not one of the monster on here by any means, but what has helped me to never feel overtrained is taking scheduled days off every 6-8 weeks. I was away from home for 28 weeks in an LE academy had 3 square all you can eat meals a day, got 8 hours of sleep a night, and had world class traing facilities and trainers available. I made monster gains.
I trained the same when I got home when I was eating clean but less, sleeping less, and working 8-16 hour days 6 days week. I got weaker fast. I get 4 day weekends every 6-8 weeks so I go see my girlfriend and family and don’t lift during this time. Taking 4 days off and upping the cals/sleep a bit over these 4 days ever 2 months has been magic for me, i feel fresh, rested, and stronger/faster now. I haven’t gotten sick for more than a day in the past 2 years too despite the fact I work with a few thousand people a day coming from mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, India, etc. Just an idea. Stay strong and healthy bud
[quote]PancakeOfDoom wrote:
Glad you figured it out!
I’m not one of the monster on here by any means, but what has helped me to never feel overtrained is taking scheduled days off every 6-8 weeks. I was away from home for 28 weeks in an LE academy had 3 square all you can eat meals a day, got 8 hours of sleep a night, and had world class traing facilities and trainers available. I made monster gains.
I trained the same when I got home when I was eating clean but less, sleeping less, and working 8-16 hour days 6 days week. I got weaker fast. I get 4 day weekends every 6-8 weeks so I go see my girlfriend and family and don’t lift during this time. Taking 4 days off and upping the cals/sleep a bit over these 4 days ever 2 months has been magic for me, i feel fresh, rested, and stronger/faster now. I haven’t gotten sick for more than a day in the past 2 years too despite the fact I work with a few thousand people a day coming from mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, India, etc. Just an idea. Stay strong and healthy bud[/quote]
Yea there is definitely no need to train that much to make good gains. Its all about finding that nice balance between work,life,family, etc. Once I start to feel better (I’m on antibiotics right now) I plan to run a 5/3/1 type of program 3 days a week and just focus on strength (low reps,heavy weight) and maybe throw a sprint session in there if I feel up to it. Like you said though, its all about rest and recovery and quality over quantity. Thanks for the advice I appreciate it.
[quote]Headache wrote:
I can relate and have suffered from the same issues in the past. I highly doubt you have done any permanent damage but you’ve got a lengthy road ahead of you in terms of recovery. If you are taking any stimulants drop them all ASAP. Get plenty of vitamin c everyday as well as fish oil and try to eat copious amounts of green veggies, lean meats & healthy fats. I would look into glycine, phosphatidylserine, rhodiola, theanine, ashwaganda etc.
It’s tough but you’re probably going to have to drop all workouts for a bit and focus on resting and getting sound sleep. If I were you I’d get some ZMA and/or z12 to address the sleep issues. Try not to over analyze and freak out about all of this because that’s not going to help your cortisol levels. Try to relax and be patient. [/quote]
This is good advice.
Find a doc who has experience with metabolic damage. Research, research, research.
Just go for a walk a couple times a week, and work on getting your sleep and diet under control. Once you start to see positive changes you can then add no more than two weight training sessions per week. Make it a full body workout with no more than 3-4 exercises tops, and start with baby weights. Continue to walk. Go from there. Good luck.
Also the first pick of me is before all this crap started to happen. Felt great no digestion issues like i have now or fatigue, just felt very good…
the second pic is of me about year and half after all these issues started to occur. I have lost a lot of my lean muscle and pretty much average now. Believe it or not I’m actually eating less than I ever had in the second pic…Lyme did all kinds of Shtt to my metabolism and hormones. If i eat over 1600 calories I’ll gain no matter how much I workout lol. It’s almost funny how ridiculous it is, but whatever shtt happens… Really hoping I can get back to where I was once the antibiotic treatment is done.
Also glad you figured it out! Dejavu though… I feel like I remember somebody made a comment in another thread a couple months ago about people thinking they were overtraining but it was actually Lyme disease.
OP - Do the antibiotics completely cure it? Did you ever have a rash? Bull’s eye rash?
[quote]oso0690 wrote:
Also glad you figured it out! Dejavu though… I feel like I remember somebody made a comment in another thread a couple months ago about people thinking they were overtraining but it was actually Lyme disease.
OP - Do the antibiotics completely cure it? Did you ever have a rash? Bull’s eye rash?[/quote]
Yes I remember getting a rash on my leg that caused me to go to the walk in because i couldn’t walk on it. My whole right leg had swelled up and the doctor at the walk in had no idea what it was. (there was no sign of a bulls eye rash) He wrote it off as cellulitis and gave me a ten day supply of bactrim. It went away and I totally forgot about it. That was in 2010 and every since then I have been slowly declining but it wasn’t enough to get my attention because it wasn’t very noticeable. I finally started to search for answers when I couldn’t walk up the stairs without being out of breath and my weight just would not stop gaining no matter what i did.
the doctor I’m seeing right now doesn’t seem to think I should have a problem getting better. She has been dealing with lyme for over 25 years and she even cured herself and she had it for years. Most of the stories you hear of people with lyme who can’t get better are usually the “10%” who have a very weak immune system and are often times dealing with more than just lyme and its co-infections.
Anyways I’m on a pretty high dose of antibiotics (unfortunately) and a couple other medications that aren’t antibiotics but are suppose to help in killing it. I’m still able to workout and work but just have to be careful not to push it too much.
Yea anyways I live in Massachusetts so this infection isn’t uncommon but if you think you may have some of the symptoms you should definitely get it checked out and not wait because its not something that will get better on its own. Also, make sure you see a Lyme literate medical doctor and not a regular doctor. The LLMD will run all the right tests. there is a huge battle going on right now in the medical community if chronic Lyme exists. Anyways if your interested do some Google searches on the subject, its very interesting…
Hey,
Just saw your thread and was wondering how you are doing??? I had a similar incident about 20 years ago. Instead of Lyme Disease, I had gotten a “stinger” at a spring practice, playing semi-Pro Football. I didn’t even know I had fractured my cervical spine in several places, as well as herniated several discs. I thought I was just overtraining, until I was sent to get an MRI.
I was then rushed into immediate surgery (12 hours) to repair the damage and luckily no spinal cord injury. Like you, I had severely overtrained. Even to this day, 2x/week Strength Training and 2x/week conditioning is all I can handle until sleep disturbances, bowel issues, ect. set in. The weird thing is, this is more than enough to get great results.
Anyway, can you give us an update? Seems like everything is going great!
Take care
Low serum cortisol is a marker of adrenal depletion. There are several symptoms of low cortisol levels, although they are vague and often related to other disorders. Some symptoms include:
Fatigue
Unrefreshing sleep
Ill-defined malaise
Loss of ambition
Increased fear and apprehension
Scattered thinking
Decreased concentration and memory
Short fuse
Hypoglycemia symptoms
Sugar cravings
Slow recovery from illness
Allergies or autoimmune disease
Increased achiness or arthritis
Nausea/no appetite in a.m.
Excessive consumption of caffeine or other stimulants
Tendency to feel best towards evening
Decreased sex drive
