Self-Confidence And...

[quote]Valar Morghulis wrote:
Its just hard to know what to do, y’know? When is too confident being an asshole? At what point in standing up for myself am I trying to be a “thug”? How do I be respectful and nice to girls without giving a shit about them? When is being nice and sincere “too nice”? Im not asking you to answer these, just pointing out how its tough to know when its getting to extreme. Its safe to say im quite confused at this point in my life =P.
[/quote]

This is the personality equivalent of those anorexic dudes who post pics, and are all like, “I don’t wanna get all HUUUUUGE, I just…” You don’t need to worry about that shit any time soon, you are ALL the way at the other end of the spectrum.

Not letting other guys people push you around doesn’t make you a thug or an asshole. The thug is the guy who’s trying to push you around.

Being kind and treating other people with respect is a fine thing, one of the cardinal virtues, but since you brought it up, let’s talk about sincerity. Say you’re benching by yourself and you ask another dude to spot you. He says yes. That’s nice of him, you say thanks. He says, “Yeah, well, I’m just doing it so you’ll let me shove my cock down your throat later…” That’s kind of repellent, right?

Girls know you want to do them. Phony “niceness” and ““sincerity”” and simpering your way into her heart are transparent to them in ways they may not be even to you, because you think that’s how you’re supposed to act.

If you want to be kind and respectful, good. Everyone ought to be, I think. But don’t expect it to lead to anything. If you’re doing it because it’s virtuous, don’t (implicitly) ask to be rewarded. Then it will actually SEEM nice, and not creepy (the way your “niceness” probably seems right now.)

It’s all about knowing your worth. That’s the difference between virtuous humility and grovelling. A man who knows he’s capable of excellence, who believes that he deserves a good life can make himself low for the good of others, and benefit from it himself. A whiny loser who thinks that nobody likes him and nobody should is insufferable company whether he bombastically puffs himself up, or grovels, and snivels and whinges. That’s what all those PUA shmucks are doing: they used to grovel, now they boast, but they still hate themselves.

That’s why I’m talking about goals. Figure out what you think is most awesome in life, and go get really good at that. Build yourself a path of stepping-stone goals to the life you want. It will take years-- a lifetime, even – but that’s how you find out who you are, and what you’re really worth. Concentrate on what’s MOST important. When things are going well, the women-aspect will fall into place.

[quote]DTLV wrote:

It’s all about knowing your worth. That’s the difference between virtuous humility and grovelling. A man who knows he’s capable of excellence, who believes that he deserves a good life can make himself low for the good of others, and benefit from it himself. A whiny loser who thinks that nobody likes him and nobody should is insufferable company whether he bombastically puffs himself up, or grovels, and snivels and whinges. That’s what all those PUA shmucks are doing: they used to grovel, now they boast, but they still hate themselves.

That’s why I’m talking about goals. Figure out what you think is most awesome in life, and go get really good at that. Build yourself a path of stepping-stone goals to the life you want. It will take years-- a lifetime, even – but that’s how you find out who you are, and what you’re really worth. Concentrate on what’s MOST important. When things are going well, the women-aspect will fall into place.[/quote]

Very good post.

Did you get that from mine in the Approaching Women thread ?

If you did, even better :wink:

  1. Get your testosterone level checked to make sure there isn’t actually something wrong

  2. Find a “manly” activity you might like and start doing it. Which one you pick isn’t that important as long as it involves other people. Examples: backpacking, martial arts, motorbike racing, hunting, sports, etc.

  3. Read some books about the issue, but realize that most of the changes are going to have to come from the inside, not from books.

  4. Regularly schedule yourself to activities and events involving other people that may put you in situations you currently find uncomfortable. You must face your fear to overcome it.

  5. Keep lifting weights

  6. Realize that finding women is a sort of zen like activity, the more desperate you are, and the more you’re willing to do anything to find one, the less likely you are to actually have any success. Make sure that you meet lots of women in social non-work settings, but don’t stress over the results. The less you care if they sleep with you, the more likely they’ll want to. I don’t know what it is, maybe they can smell fear and desperation or something, but this does work. Try a singles activity group, speed dating, volunteer work, or some other group type activity that will get you out in public with members of the opposite sex.

  7. Set yourself some reasonable, attainable goals, and work to achieve them.

  8. Find yourself a role model that you’d like to be more like, and study why that person is the way they are.

Thanks a lot everyone, lots of good replies and im actually picking up a lot of stuff that seems useful : )

Oh, and DTLV… are what you trying to say is dont fake being nice? Becuase, well, thats half the problem right there… im TOO nice. I wish a was a little (and by little I mean a lot) LESS nice… I WISH I could be more “badass”, and thats part of my problem =P

So yeah, faking nice is the least of my worries =P

Also, blue9steel, or anyone for that matter… know of any books like that? I love to read, so i’d be defiantely down for getting a book.

I think most people go through a period of self doubt, not feeling comfortable with themselves, and just generally awkwardness. This usually tends to be the teenage years, just when your coming out of childhood and turning into an adult. Your not sure who you are or what your place in the world is.

People will try out many different styles and conciously try to change their personality to fit in with something they’d like to be. You cant do that, you are who you are, you cannot really change yourself, or anyone else for that matter. Only time and experience can change you.

So my advice, dont try to change into something else. You cant fake confidence. Respect yourself- dont let other people walk all over you- espically women. Just ride it out it will all come in the end, eventually you will wake up one day and be confident and happy with who you are.

[quote]Valar Morghulis wrote:
Also, blue9steel, or anyone for that matter… know of any books like that? I love to read, so i’d be defiantely down for getting a book.[/quote]

I highly recommend the book Thick Face Black Heart.

In your case, I would also get audio programs from Brian Tracy, Tom Hopkins, maybe Anthony Robbins. Zig Ziglar and Dan Kennedy are popular as well, they focus more on business though.

I truly feel we need as much positive input as possible in our lives, and listening to these people every day has improved my life.