has anyone ever heard of this exercise?? i was reading MILO and saw that it was included in the lifting regiment of some elite international rugby players…anyone know anything about it?
I know Poliquin latest article on T Nation said he felt DB cleans and snatches were bad for your shoulders
[quote]olinerules87 wrote:
I know Poliquin latest article on T Nation said he felt DB cleans and snatches were bad for your shoulders[/quote]
But they can give you one hell of a workout.
I heard Poliquin say the seated version is better than the bar version.
I wouldnt do them. Reason #1 Poliquin advises against them. Enough said.
Reason #2 Since almost all dumbells are fixed weight, the torque produced with the clean or snatch does is not transfered to the plates as it would be with the barbell versions. Instead, your musculoskeletal will bear the brunt of the force.
I read in an article here recently that db snatches are over rated anyways
I swear, there are a bunch of puppets on this site. One author says he doesn’t like the lift and suddenly everyone throws the lift out without question. No doubt Poliquin is one of the best out there, but that doesn’t mean you have to take every word out of his mouth (keyboard) as absolute, indisputable truth. DB snatches are a great lift, in my experience. I’ve had no problems from them.
I have, however, injured my back doing both bent rows and front squats. They don’t work well for me, so I don’t use them. The DB snatch, however, works very well, so I use it. It’s much better than trying to do a BB snatch with terrible form. That’s asking for injury more than a well-performed DB snatch is, IMO.
[quote]OneEye wrote:
I swear, there are a bunch of puppets on this site. One author says he doesn’t like the lift and suddenly everyone throws the lift out without question. No doubt Poliquin is one of the best out there, but that doesn’t mean you have to take every word out of his mouth (keyboard) as absolute, indisputable truth. DB snatches are a great lift, in my experience. I’ve had no problems from them.
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What he said.
-Matt
[quote]Matt McGorry wrote:
OneEye wrote:
I swear, there are a bunch of puppets on this site. One author says he doesn’t like the lift and suddenly everyone throws the lift out without question. No doubt Poliquin is one of the best out there, but that doesn’t mean you have to take every word out of his mouth (keyboard) as absolute, indisputable truth. DB snatches are a great lift, in my experience. I’ve had no problems from them.
What he said.
-Matt
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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
I wouldnt do them. Reason #1 Poliquin advises against them. Enough said.
Reason #2 Since almost all dumbells are fixed weight, the torque produced with the clean or snatch does is not transfered to the plates as it would be with the barbell versions. Instead, your musculoskeletal will bear the brunt of the force.[/quote]
This is what I use for anything over 50 lbs.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
Matt McGorry wrote:
OneEye wrote:
I swear, there are a bunch of puppets on this site. One author says he doesn’t like the lift and suddenly everyone throws the lift out without question. No doubt Poliquin is one of the best out there, but that doesn’t mean you have to take every word out of his mouth (keyboard) as absolute, indisputable truth. DB snatches are a great lift, in my experience. I’ve had no problems from them.
What he said.
-Matt
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Have I heard of it? Sure. I’ve never tried one from a seated position, since i’m not sure what the point would be.
A normal DB snatch (or any snatch variation, in my opinion) has more to do with hip drive, leg drive, and the generation of power than it does the development of the shoulders. Certainly, shoulder development is a benefit of this lift, but it is by no means the primary emphasis.
That being said, I can’t see the benefit of doing a seated one, as this would eliminate the primary movers. I suppose one could argue that it would increase explosiveness in the traps, but why isolate them in that fashion? You could get those benefits from any snatch or clean variation.
Lastly, I fail to see why we need to remove the DB snatch from our list of exercises just because Coach Poliquin says so. If I’m not mistaken, he’s giving an OPINION. Lots of other coaches think it’s a great exercise. Why not try it for yourself and see what you think? Maybe form an opinion of your own?
Wow…independent thought…what a concept that might be, huh?
This is one of my favorites for adding upper back size. It is also a Westside favorite. High reps will have you begging someone else to brush your teeth! I have never seen anything pack on visual size faster, especially with high school students. Two months of these and high rep squats will get you a whole nother look-closest thing to physique magic ever.
It’s good to listen to and respect professionals opinions as they usually have lots of experience but it doesn’t mean they’re always right. I’m sure lots of people can DB snatch properly without injuries but obviously there are those out there who get injured doing them as well.
Besides Poliquin didn’t say anything in regards to seated DB snatches which are quite different than a one-armed DB snatch, it’s a different motion, you’re using both arms simultaneously, and the load will be alot lighter (or should be if you’re doing them properly)which will lower the chance of injury on its own.