Saudi Rape Victim

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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"We learn a lot more about Atefah’s dysfunctional family. After her mother’s death, Atefah’s little brother drowned in the river.

The details of Atefah’s abuse by Ali Daroubi, which Atefah told her aunt about in prison, are horrendous. Apparently she could only walk on all fours afterwards because of the pain. Her family at the time seem to have hated and punished her rebellious behaviour but not found out its root cause."

Raped and physically abused…by an ex-revolutionary guard…after having been raped once before in prison by Moral Police (a sort of branch of the Revolutionary Guard)…I just it want it to be clear, regardless of the disinformation provided here.

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“She was abused by a close relative,” says Mina, one of the few girls in Neka who identify themselves as Atefeh’s friends. But she never dared even to talk about it to anyone. "Tell your teachers? They’ll call you a whore. Tell the police? They lock you up and rape you. Better keep your mouth shut."

Mina sobs as she recalls her friend’s tormented life, but many of these horrendous experiences are everyday facts of life for girls being brought up under a rigid theocratic regime that has institutionalized misogyny in its laws and practices.

“She sometimes talked about what these Islamic moral policemen did to her while she was in jail. She still had nightmares about that. She said Behshahr Prison was the Hell itself…”

The tragically short life of Atefeh Rajabi its brutal end are a reminder of the plight of millions of girls in a country where, according to state-owned newspapers, 75 percent of the population live below the poverty line, 66 percent of women are victims of some form of domestic violence, and over 70 percent of women suffer from varying degrees of depression. Iran remains, in the words of UN Human Rights Rapporteur Maurice Copithorne, “a prison for women.”

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=174

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
What if this girl was your relative? Your sister? What would you say, what would you do to help matters then? Would you turn your back on your own sister because she had what you claim was consentual sex and was sentenced to die according to muslim law? [/quote]

Of course not. I said many times that drawing attention to the story is a good thing. Sticking to the fact makes the story horrible enough. No need to throw lies and propaganda in the mix.

Is killing a 16-years old for having a libido not outrageous enough?

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Look, Muslims are going at it again…

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Iran is a patriarchal society alright. Allow me to add that it’s nowhere near the abject treatment women recieve in Saudi Arabia.

So what if they recieve worse treatment in SA? The treatment is an atrocity in any country.

Exactly his point.

Why the rabble rousing against Iran and not Saudi Arabia? Why aren’t we more morally pissed, as a nation, at the Saudis? [/quote]

You and Lixy have quite a down on the Saudis. Would you advocate that we bomb/take over there? Remember how the British eliminated wife-burning in India? We could do like that in Saudi Arabia. Western societies always have to civilise the barbarians.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
“She was abused by a close relative,” says Mina, one of the few girls in Neka who identify themselves as Atefeh’s friends. But she never dared even to talk about it to anyone. "Tell your teachers? They’ll call you a whore. Tell the police? They lock you up and rape you. Better keep your mouth shut."

Mina sobs as she recalls her friend’s tormented life, but many of these horrendous experiences are everyday facts of life for girls being brought up under a rigid theocratic regime that has institutionalized misogyny in its laws and practices.

“She sometimes talked about what these Islamic moral policemen did to her while she was in jail. She still had nightmares about that. She said Behshahr Prison was the Hell itself…”

The tragically short life of Atefeh Rajabi its brutal end are a reminder of the plight of millions of girls in a country where, according to state-owned newspapers, 75 percent of the population live below the poverty line, 66 percent of women are victims of some form of domestic violence, and over 70 percent of women suffer from varying degrees of depression. Iran remains, in the words of UN Human Rights Rapporteur Maurice Copithorne, “a prison for women.”

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=174[/quote]

Yet America is the bad guy…bastards. We need to liberate Iran. Case closed.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
I read all your posts. But your first reaction was she was a slut who got what she deserved.

You keep saying that. Where did I say that she “got what she deserved”?
Yes, I called her a slut for having a 3-year affair with a married man and screwing around on the side. So what? She isn’t the example of a chastity you know.[/quote]

“She was hanged for being a slut and for disrespecting the court. If you don’t want to get burned, don’t play with fire.”

This was from a previous post of yours in this thread. In light of your postings on the thread about the old man who shot robbers in Texas I thought it might be fun to repost it for you. So this should answer your question, “Where did I say that?”

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
"She was hanged for being a slut and for disrespecting the court. If you don’t want to get burned, don’t play with fire. [/quote]

That sentence was in a particular context. Some people kept arguing that she got killed for being raped which I contested. The court records are clear: She was executed for having out-of-wedlock sex and for doing other dudes on the side. She was convicted four times.

I don’t know about you, but if I was in her situation knowing the death penalty applies, I would make every effort not to be alone with men.

And for the last time, I never supported the death penalty. You can’t just take the three assertions I’ve made [ 1) she screwed around 2) she insulted the judge 3) playing with fire can get you burns ] and interpret them as “she deserves what she got”. I said it many times already: killing people is wrong! The case shows how badly things can go wrong in the Iranian system. It shows how her relatives failed to protect her. It’s a failure of the Iranian society as a whole. That I oppose the death penalty in any form and I strongly condemn the handling of this case does not take contradict my statement which you quoted. All I did was state facts.

Here’s something I don’t get: I explained my position many times already, and you lot keep referring to that one ambiguous sentence even though I clearly stated that it should not be interpreted as you did. You cling to it and refuse to take into account my subsequent explanation. Why is that? Seriously, I’ll appreciate an answer here.

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To get back to the original topic:

Bush Refuses to Condemn Saudi Court�??s Punishment of Gang Rape Victim

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/68655/

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Lixy, do you even lift weights?

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[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Lixy, do you even lift weights? [/quote]

Nah, I just read Testosterone Magazine for the pictures (and sometimes, I’ll read TC’s Atomic Dog).

What kind of idiotic question is that?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
btm62 wrote:
"She was hanged for being a slut and for disrespecting the court. If you don’t want to get burned, don’t play with fire.

That sentence was in a particular context. Some people kept arguing that she got killed for being raped which I contested. The court records are clear: She was executed for having out-of-wedlock sex and for doing other dudes on the side. She was convicted four times.

I don’t know about you, but if I was in her situation knowing the death penalty applies, I would make every effort not to be alone with men.
…The case shows how badly things can go wrong in the Iranian system. It shows how her relatives failed to protect her. It’s a failure of the Iranian society as a whole. That I oppose the death penalty in any form and I strongly condemn the handling of this case does not take contradict my statement which you quoted. All I did was state facts.
.[/quote]

But what Lixy does here is in fact CONDONE a society which makes laws protecting coercive sex with minors. After all, “she was convicted four times,” convicted of a “law” which exists no where else outside the most primitive Islamicised societies.

And “she played with fire,” defying the enlightened view that minors are not able to have responsible and consensual sex (among other acts) in a legal sense. And last, “her relatives failed to protect her,” blaming again the possible victims, who are under the lash of local mullahs who can determine their fate as well.

Really, I have yet to see Lixy, this waste of human protoplasm, expound something other than a complete distortion of real humane judgment. This is the mind of a bigot, swathed in the thinnest patina of liberality, armed with lies and evasions, on full display for the sole purpose of some unnamed narcissistic need. Is there a way to “vote him off the island,” for the crime of wasting electrons on the internet?

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
But what Lixy does here is in fact CONDONE a society which makes laws protecting coercive sex with minors. After all, “she was convicted four times,” convicted of a “law” which exists no where else outside the most primitive Islamicised societies. [/quote]

I made it clear that I DO NOT condone it. I described it as “tragic”, “deplorable”, “failure”, etc…

There are many places on Earth where 16 years old get thrown into jails. But that is irrelevant given that the her age was recorded in court as 22. A blunder

There are also places where the age of consent is as low as 12.

Of course they failed. When one of your relatives spends a good deal of time in court rooms, you may wanna start giving a damn about what they’re doing especially when they’re young.

I see. Now THAT is mature and in no way a waste of bandwidth.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Look, Muslims are going at it again…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7108676.stm[/quote]

Man of STRAW

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[quote]lixy wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
But what Lixy does here is in fact CONDONE a society which makes laws protecting coercive sex with minors. After all, “she was convicted four times,” convicted of a “law” which exists no where else outside the most primitive Islamicised societies.

I made it clear that I DO NOT condone it. I described it as “tragic”, “deplorable”, “failure”, etc…

And “she played with fire,” defying the enlightened view that minors are not able to have responsible and consensual sex (among other acts) in a legal sense.

There are many places on Earth where 16 years old get thrown into jails. But that is irrelevant given that the her age was recorded in court as 22. A blunder

There are also places where the age of consent is as low as 12.

And last, “her relatives failed to protect her,” blaming again the possible victims, who are under the lash of local mullahs who can determine their fate as well.

Of course they failed. When one of your relatives spends a good deal of time in court rooms, you may wanna start giving a damn about what they’re doing especially when they’re young.

.[/quote]

By his own words, again, he condones it, explains it away, accuses others of worse, exculpates the evil and blames the victims.

Parse away, he fools no one with his pretension to analysis, sophistry supported by wholesale lies and distortions. What is truly remarkable is that it is all so bloody alike, thread after tortured thread. It is all some facade erected to justify a miserable hodge-podge of beliefs and bigotry masquerading as principles.

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There was no mistake. Her birth certificate, ID card, and DEATH CERTIFICATE (oops!) had her birth year. The judge, according to witnesses, looks at her and decides to fill in her age as 22, himself. Not one attempt to verify her age, and the judge fabricates her age? Nope, it was deliberate.

I agree with the investigations, her age was a lie to circumvent the death penatly requirement, 18. And, to slip a child execution under the radar of certain international monitors.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
btm62 wrote:
"She was hanged for being a slut and for disrespecting the court. If you don’t want to get burned, don’t play with fire.

That sentence was in a particular context. Some people kept arguing that she got killed for being raped which I contested. The court records are clear: She was executed for having out-of-wedlock sex and for doing other dudes on the side. She was convicted four times.

I don’t know about you, but if I was in her situation knowing the death penalty applies, I would make every effort not to be alone with men.

And for the last time, I never supported the death penalty. You can’t just take the three assertions I’ve made [ 1) she screwed around 2) she insulted the judge 3) playing with fire can get you burns ] and interpret them as “she deserves what she got”. I said it many times already: killing people is wrong! The case shows how badly things can go wrong in the Iranian system. It shows how her relatives failed to protect her. It’s a failure of the Iranian society as a whole. That I oppose the death penalty in any form and I strongly condemn the handling of this case does not take contradict my statement which you quoted. All I did was state facts.

Here’s something I don’t get: I explained my position many times already, and you lot keep referring to that one ambiguous sentence even though I clearly stated that it should not be interpreted as you did. You cling to it and refuse to take into account my subsequent explanation. Why is that? Seriously, I’ll appreciate an answer here.[/quote]

I mentioned it once. You argue like a woman. I guess in light of the context of the body of work that you have written its hard to take anything you write seriously one way or the other.

Can you ever address a topic without twisting it to meet your agenda? Again…If you’re a woman, party on, you act like one, if you’re a man, might I suggest some Alpha Male and some deadlifts. Might clear your mind.

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“In the United States in the State of New York, a young woman is violently raped at knifepoint by a stranger. Her rapist receives a light punishment but she receives punishment as well. When she and her lawyer complain about it, her punishment is increased and the lawyer is disciplined for making such a fuss…”

Her lawyer is…me…"

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
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Judging from this scree, I would say the rape victim is poorly represented here.
Can someone explain to me what actually happened from this rant? I am genuinely interested.

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[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Lixy, do you even lift weights?[/quote]

You are in the wrong thread. This thread is about how women get blamed for being a victim.