[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
I read all your posts. But your first reaction was she was a slut who got what she deserved.
You keep saying that. Where did I say that she “got what she deserved”?
Yes, I called her a slut for having a 3-year affair with a married man and screwing around on the side. So what? She isn’t the example of a chastity you know.[/quote]
So lets kill her for having hormones. Or better yet for being raped. We’ll call her an adultress for being over powered and forced. How iranian, or middle aged european of you.
The rest of the world left this faulty line of thinking behind hundreds of years ago. If anything, the current cultural war embodied in the war in iraq is showing the split in human development and that makes for interesting observations in to our own (the wests) cultural past under catholic inquisitions.
I guess a little bit of good does come from bad, especially if you are a history buff.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
Osama Bin Lixy, you are a fucking piece of work. So lets see;
Killing Terrorists = Bad
Killing Sluts = Awesome, I mean hell that slut deserved it right? She was fucking like a rabbit so she must die. Makes you wonder about the whole “no gays in middle east” thing, are you killing off sluts so they won’t hinder Special Man Time?
You tell us to stay out of their business if we don’t like their policy, well stay the fuck out of Americas business if you don’t like ours.
You had sex at 13 with older women? RIGHTTTTTTT
Beating off to Jihad Weekly’s Terrorist of the Month spread isn’t sex my friend. [/quote]
Nice. Paint a billion and a half people with the same brush.
And let me guess, you’re from the Pittsburgh area?
If you’re gonna use “big words”, look them up in a dictionary. Misspelling them makes you look extra-dorky.[/quote]
I can apreciate where you are coming from with the brush remark. It’s a time proven way to motivate large groups of people. If you don’t want to be painted with that brush get out or pressure your co-religionists to change.
Detroit is a couple hundred miles away from Pittsburgh. We are next door to Dearborn, which is home to the largest arab community in the world that is outside of the middle east.
So I missed one vowel. Don’t make me dig up some of your grammatical errors sharamuta, my family speaks English as our first language Sod.
Having out-of-wedlock sex in Iran is as deadly as robing houses in Texas.
Did you miss my first post on the thread? I abhor Wahabism. It’s the worst thing that ever happened to Islam. It bred Al-Qaeda, Hamas, a repressive system, plus a sexist and extremely patriarchal society.
Again, denounce the fact that Saudi women have practically no rights whatsoever all you want.
Do you denounce that the same kind of thing is going on in Iran, Nigeria? Are there Wahabis in control of these countries as well, or are Shia just as screwed up? Why is it easy for you to rip on something in Saudi Arabia, but not Iran when the same thing happens there? Why make excuses for the Iranians and throw the blame at Wahabis when the real issue is with Islamic law across the board?
So we can agree that the Saudis are as bad as the Iranians. So why are we allied to them, but morally outraged by Iran?[/quote]
Same could be said for the Chinese. Just because we do business with them doesn’t mean we agree with their behaviour. I would say most countries do business with other countries who are despicable to the very core. The U.S. is not alone in this. See the blood diamond trade.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
“She was hanged for being a slut and for disrespecting the court. If you don’t want to get burned, don’t play with fire.”
If you do not want to get burned don’t play with fire???
To me, reading that, it sure sounds like you think she deserved what she got.
From reading the thread, I am not the only one who feels this way. [/quote]
Hear, hear. Some people kept repeating that she got killed for being raped. I corrected that.
The “don’t play with fire” bit wasn’t in any way condoning of the situation. It’s just common sense. She knew that the Iranian legal system punished unmarried people for having sex. Her faith - though tragic - isn’t exactly a surprise, now is it?
[quote]Sifu wrote:
I can apreciate where you are coming from with the brush remark. It’s a time proven way to motivate large groups of people. If you don’t want to be painted with that brush get out or pressure your co-religionists to change. [/quote]
Co-religionist my knees! Savages hanging people, oppressing women, and cracking on freedom of faith, have nothing to do with Islam.
Were you dropped as a child? I was referring to your peculiar iceberg.
Look on the bright side. You learned the spelling of a new word today.
Have you ever been in a social situation where somebody mispronounces a “big word”? How silly did it made them look? When in doubt, stick with what you know best.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
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“She was hanged for being a slut and for disrespecting the court. If you don’t want to get burned, don’t play with fire.”
Yea, your on a pretty low, low here. You may want to throw in the towel on this one, you are losing pretty badly.[/quote]
I’m waiting to see if Lixy had sex with girls younger than 13. He said he did with older women. If he had sex with a 7 year old, for ex, did she get whipped for being a slut too?
Anyway, that Atefah chick, was at her fourth conviction (for non-chastity) at the time of the judgment. She admitted having an affair for many years with some older guy, and is taken very seriously in Iran. But hey, you guys lock up people for having sex with a 17 years old, or worse, smoking weed!
She kinda put herself in a very vulnerable position by her repeating offenses to the Iranian legal system. If you don’t want trouble in that country, you stay away from sex until you’re married.
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So there was a way this 13 year old girl could have left the country on her own accord? A way she could leave the country that raped her? There wasn’t.
That and despite your saying she said it was consensual, it wasn’t. Your ignorance of child sexual abuse and the resulting mental trauma is very apparent.
She was continually raped since the age of 13 by multiple older men. She never had a chance and the muslim religion fostered this sexual torture and persecution of this child.
All those sterling muslim men raped this child and then went home to their wives proud of themselves. No doubt those 4 witnesses a rape victim needs in order to not be found guilty of adultery would probably have raped her anyways. Ah the muslim system.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
So there was a way this 13 year old girl could have left the country on her own accord? A way she could leave the country that raped her? There wasn’t. [/quote]
Leave the country? No. Stop screwing around? Yeah.
I didn’t. She did.
I am.
Again, her own words were that the relation was consensual. You guys keep ignoring that. What do you base the rape theory on?
Those fuckers are not exactly what I’ll call “sterling Muslim men”. Oh, it’s sarcasm? I concur then.
Now that point I totally agree with. The Iranian system makes it very hard for the prosecutor of a rape case to get justice and is clearly illustrated by this case. The assumption being that a woman shouldn’t be left alone with a potential rapist in the first place. That is, if she’s gonna meet with a male stranger, a member of her family should be present. It’s pretty much a rule of thumb down there.
Iran is a patriarchal society alright. Allow me to add that it’s nowhere near the abject treatment women recieve in Saudi Arabia.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Iran is a patriarchal society alright. Allow me to add that it’s nowhere near the abject treatment women recieve in Saudi Arabia.[/quote]
So what if they recieve worse treatment in SA? The treatment is an atrocity in any country. What if this girl was your relative? Your sister? What would you say, what would you do to help matters then? Would you turn your back on your own sister because she had what you claim was consentual sex and was sentenced to die according to muslim law?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Iran is a patriarchal society alright. Allow me to add that it’s nowhere near the abject treatment women recieve in Saudi Arabia.
So what if they recieve worse treatment in SA? The treatment is an atrocity in any country. [/quote]
Exactly his point.
Why the rabble rousing against Iran and not Saudi Arabia? Why aren’t we more morally pissed, as a nation, at the Saudis?
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Iran is a patriarchal society alright. Allow me to add that it’s nowhere near the abject treatment women recieve in Saudi Arabia.
So what if they recieve worse treatment in SA? The treatment is an atrocity in any country.
Exactly his point.
Why the rabble rousing against Iran and not Saudi Arabia? Why aren’t we more morally pissed, as a nation, at the Saudis? [/quote]
We are. Check the title of the thread.
The other question is why does lixy excuse Iran and condemn Saudi Arabia for the same actions?
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Iran is a patriarchal society alright. Allow me to add that it’s nowhere near the abject treatment women recieve in Saudi Arabia.
So what if they recieve worse treatment in SA? The treatment is an atrocity in any country.
Exactly his point.
Why the rabble rousing against Iran and not Saudi Arabia? Why aren’t we more morally pissed, as a nation, at the Saudis? [/quote]
We have been. That’s how the thread started off, as the Saudi case was the subject of this thread. More examples of Islamic law punishing rape victims were provided. The 13-16 year old was called a slut who “played with fire.” Naturally, the smearing of a child victim of rape at the hands of authorities, molestation, and ultimately a hanging, aroused anger. That victim happened to be Iranian. Without certain repulsive comments this thread wouldn’t have ended up so focused on the Iranian case.