America Alone

"Why America will have to fight alone
in the battle for Western civilization

And why, if we fail, mankind faces a new Dark Ages

Are you ready for a conflict between America and the rest of the world? In America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It, Mark Steyn (the most widely read and wittiest columnist in the world today) argues that that’s just what’s coming.

America is facing this life-and-death challenge, says Steyn, because of the Western world’s demographic collapse and mass Muslim immigration into Europe, which threatens to turn parts of Europe into majority-Muslim countries by mid-century. Meanwhile, rising European and Islamic anti-Americanism may soon force America to confront the enemies of civilization without help from anyone else.

Steyn argues forcefully that much of the Western world will not survive the 21st Century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes – including many if not most European countries. He shows how this process is already well advanced, and explains that whether we will like the New Order in Europe and the world depends on whether America can summon the will to shape at least part of the emerging global picture.

Why Libya’s Qaddafi is probably correct when he says that “there are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquests”

Why the progressive Left can be in favor of Big Government or population control but not both and how that mutual incompatibility is about to plunge Europe into societal collapse

The hidden reason that the problem of Islamic jihad has exploded across the world since 1970

The disquieting implications of the fact that Islam is a religion, not a race or nationality as is commonly claimed in the West; and an explicitly political religion at that

Why the liberal talk of finding the “root causes” of terrorism in the errors and excesses of Western foreign policy is so wrongheaded

How Europe’s welfare states are helping to foster the rise of a globalized Islam."

Discuss?

A) Europe is being retarded and needs to grow balls, and start being purely secular.

B) It has nothing to do with “the left”.

I think his concerns are very realistic and on the mark. The influx of muslims into Europe is overwhelming and nearly a lost cause at this point. Who needs swords when you have sheer numbers. Don’t have to be a prophet of any sort for that kind of deduction. America is very much alone, ‘western ways’ are in need of redefinition since being trampled upon for years by our leaders, the correct words would be simply remembered…and honored. As they were. Together we stand, divided …we fall. Now, if anybody could just pull their heads out long enough to learn about what we stand for, that would be …better than grey goose vodka. By a narrow margin.

Europe’s Muslim Population in Demographic Free-fall?

August 7, 2006

No, that’s not a headline you expected to read, but it is suggested by a report from Denmark’s Dream Institute indicating that Danish immigrant women in 1980 had on average 4 children but now have only 2.4 children. The study offers such reasons as the older age of women immigrating and fewer immigrants from poorer countries; but surely, being exposed to the hyper-modernity of Denmark must also play a role.

This drop in fertility has major implications for Denmark’s ethnic composition. The last forecast, made in 2004, predicted immigrants and their descendants (from countries like Turkey, Somalia, Lebanon and Iraq) would constitute 15.3 percent of the population in 2080 (presuming no more immigration, I infer). The 2006 forecast finds them making up just under 8 percent.

Comment: The study is limited to Denmark, which probably has more stringent immigration controls than any other country in the West. But the demographic trend first spotted here is likely recur elsewhere, dimming the chances for a Muslim demographic takeover. (August 7, 2006)

You see, when they come here, they change.

If they don`t change, their children do.

[quote]orion wrote:

Europe’s Muslim Population in Demographic Free-fall?

August 7, 2006

No, that’s not a headline you expected to read, but it is suggested by a report from Denmark’s Dream Institute indicating that Danish immigrant women in 1980 had on average 4 children but now have only 2.4 children. The study offers such reasons as the older age of women immigrating and fewer immigrants from poorer countries; but surely, being exposed to the hyper-modernity of Denmark must also play a role.

This drop in fertility has major implications for Denmark’s ethnic composition. The last forecast, made in 2004, predicted immigrants and their descendants (from countries like Turkey, Somalia, Lebanon and Iraq) would constitute 15.3 percent of the population in 2080 (presuming no more immigration, I infer). The 2006 forecast finds them making up just under 8 percent.

Comment: The study is limited to Denmark, which probably has more stringent immigration controls than any other country in the West. But the demographic trend first spotted here is likely recur elsewhere, dimming the chances for a Muslim demographic takeover. (August 7, 2006)

You see, when they come here, they change.

If they don`t change, their children do.

[/quote]

Well, it seems Denmark has much more handle on assimilation. It does state though that those numbers are being projected with no more immigration. Assimilation is key, and the slower the influx the better those chances.

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
… [/quote]

Molotov,

Yes, many European countries have seen their Muslim populations boom in the last century. France, thanks to their colonization experiences in the Maghreb, had a great influx of Algerians - so much so, that the extreme right had a field day. England, was swarmed by Pakistanis, and Sweden by Iraqis (the latter was courtesy of Dubya!). The sheer number of that immigrant population, makes assimilation very hard. It’s a statistical certainty.

And while I strongly disapprove of the many French papers that practiced auto-censorship on the Jylland-Posten cartoons (and I am a Muslim!), or the British legal system caving on many issues, I see absolutely no signs of a deterioration of the respective countries’ ideals. The hijab French controversy, for example, is a credit to the health of the Republic.

I can only assume - from the tone of your post - that you are American. And while you think you may share the same values as some European countries, let me tell you that it’s far from the truth. You pride yourselves in a secular society, but at the end of the day, religion governs many aspects of your government (shit, your president allegedly receives orders from God!). Religious lobbies weight on a lot of aspects of the legal system in a lot of states, and despite many of your compatriots seem to think that the constitution is just an outdated piece of paper.

Since cracking down the borders, Western Europe has seen a great influx of Eastern Europeans that far outweighs the immigration from the Southern coast of the Mediterranean.

Now let’s hear from Fox viewers who’ll pretend to know a lot more about Europe than people actually living in Europe…

[quote]lixy wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Molotov,

Yes, many European countries have seen their Muslim populations boom in the last century. France, thanks to their colonization experiences in the Maghreb, had a great influx of Algerians - so much so, that the extreme right had a field day. England, was swarmed by Pakistanis, and Sweden by Iraqis (the latter was courtesy of Dubya!). The sheer number of that immigrant population, makes assimilation very hard. It’s a statistical certainty.

And while I strongly disapprove of the many French papers that practiced auto-censorship on the Jylland-Posten cartoons (and I am a Muslim!), or the British legal system caving on many issues, I see absolutely no signs of a deterioration of the respective countries’ ideals. The hijab French controversy, for example, is a credit to the health of the Republic.

I can only assume - from the tone of your post - that you are American. And while you think you may share the same values as some European countries, let me tell you that it’s far from the truth. You pride yourselves in a secular society, but at the end of the day, religion governs many aspects of your government (shit, your president allegedly receives orders from God!). Religious lobbies weight on a lot of aspects of the legal system in a lot of states, and despite many of your compatriots seem to think that the constitution is just an outdated piece of paper.

Since cracking down the borders, Western Europe has seen a great influx of Eastern Europeans that far outweighs the immigration from the Southern coast of the Mediterranean.

Now let’s hear from Fox viewers who’ll pretend to know a lot more about Europe than people actually living in Europe…[/quote]

I’m not sure if you are insinuating there that I am a fox viewer. If so Lixy, you’d be wrong. If you want an honest reply, I don’t watch television at all but adult swim on cartoon network…of where you have taken your avatar, from the boondocks which actually is the biggest piece of shit on the channel. But anyway.

You assume right that I am American… from my ‘tone’…but I am no stranger to the beliefs and feelings of Europeans. I won’t sit here and list the reasons to you. Where Ive traveled, who I know blah fucking blah. My ‘credentials’ so to speak. I hear what is said. I soak it in. I understand that you are Muslim, and you are peaceful. I’ve seen your posts on these forums and I do pay attention. The unheard voice among the many. I wish I could trust you but I don’t. I see that peaceful muslims sit by and let the worst of their creed ruin their name. Too afraid to speak. You may speak on this forum but you wouldn’t… if your life was at stake. I hate this religion. I am a western woman. I have no love for this.

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I’m not sure if you are insinuating there that I am a fox viewer. If so Lixy, you’d be wrong. [/quote]

No. I was referring to HH and the others.

I don’t see what you mean by that. I wouldn’t take your word either for anything remotely important affecting my life. If you mean that you’re unable to assume good faith, then there’s little hope to have a constructive exchange of ideas here.

Let me get this straight. You’re calling Muslims a bunch of cowards? If so, I’ll have to ask you why. As far as my understanding of the Mohamedian message goes, one should only fear God. So, please elaborate.

I’m pretty sure that you know virtually nothing about the religion and base your hate on the actions of some people who claim to be “Muslims”. But I may be wrong…

How’s your gender of any relevance? And what on earth is “this” that you have no love for? (serious question)

I agree with most points you raise, and I wouldn’t have bothered posting had you not claimed HH’s concerns were “very realistic and on the mark”. Europeans would laugh at you for saying that. It shows a great deal of ignorance to say the least.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I’m not sure if you are insinuating there that I am a fox viewer. If so Lixy, you’d be wrong.

No. I was referring to HH and the others.

I wish I could trust you but I don’t.

I don’t see what you mean by that. I wouldn’t take your word either for anything remotely important affecting my life. If you mean that you’re unable to assume good faith, then there’s little hope to have a constructive exchange of ideas here.

I see that peaceful muslims sit by and let the worst of their creed ruin their name. Too afraid to speak. You may speak on this forum but you wouldn’t… if your life was at stake.

Let me get this straight. You’re calling Muslims a bunch of cowards? If so, I’ll have to ask you why. As far as my understanding of the Mohamedian message goes, one should only fear God. So, please elaborate.

I hate this religion.

I’m pretty sure that you know virtually nothing about the religion and base your hate on the actions of some people who claim to be “Muslims”. But I may be wrong…

I am a western woman. I have no love for this.

How’s your gender of any relevance? And what on earth is “this” that you have no love for? (serious question)

I agree with most points you raise, and I wouldn’t have bothered posting had you not claimed HH’s concerns were “very realistic and on the mark”. Europeans would laugh at you for saying that. It shows a great deal of ignorance to say the least.[/quote]

Europeans do indeed fear for their futures Lixy. Reasonably. As much as you’d like to dispute… there is reason. Somebody posts about dutch figures in Europe and thats supposed to represent the numbers in reality? I think not. Let’s post the figures in London…I’ll save some work, its called … horrible. How about Scotland, Ireland… etc… all equal… horrible. Go on and try to work your way to USA. Good Luck. No WAY. BITCH. Tell allah he fucked up. He forgot Americans were made of steel. Gwan. Run on back.

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Europeans do indeed fear for their futures Lixy. Reasonably. As much as you’d like to dispute… there is reason. Somebody posts about dutch figures in Europe and thats supposed to represent the numbers in reality? I think not. Let’s post the figures in London…I’ll save some work, its called … horrible. How about Scotland, Ireland… etc… all equal… horrible. [/quote]

Yeah, I figured that you’d be mostly familiar with the English-speaking countries. You may benefit from diversifying your news sources.

You do realize that you sound like a total twat, don’t you?

Grow up.

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Go on and try to work your way to USA. Good Luck. No WAY. BITCH. Tell allah he fucked up. He forgot Americans were made of steel. Gwan. Run on back.[/quote]

Wow.

And on a side topic, the Boondocks was a comic strip before it was made into a show on cartoon network.

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Europeans do indeed fear for their futures Lixy. Reasonably. As much as you’d like to dispute… there is reason. Somebody posts about dutch figures in Europe and thats supposed to represent the numbers in reality? I think not. Let’s post the figures in London…I’ll save some work, its called … horrible. How about Scotland, Ireland… etc… all equal… horrible. Go on and try to work your way to USA. Good Luck. No WAY. BITCH. Tell allah he fucked up. He forgot Americans were made of steel. Gwan. Run on back.[/quote]

Good post. Americans can’t be beaten. And some day, we’re going to quit playing ‘nice’.

Set off a nuke suitcase in New York? How about a MOAB in Mecca in return?

HH’s original post does have merit. Western culture is clearly in a transition period from a position of dominating and in many ways creating the “globalized” world to a position of more balance.

The idea that America is alone is definitely true in the sense of being a military superpower that some analyst even argue has achieved nuclear primacy. It seems only natural and obvious that any nation or culture in such a military position would have an incredible momentum towards maintaining it.

Lixy is also correct in pointing out what is statistically accurate; that America is still a profoundly religious and even fundamentalist Christian nation in comparison to Europe.

I don’t really think that Western culture is in any great existential crisis however. No other culture has contributed more to the development of the world today, for better or worse, than the west.

Like the Turks razing the walls of Constantinople with Hungarian cannon whatever eastern nation might achieve some superpower status or even supremacy against the bastion of western power that is America they will do so by assimilating much of the western culture as a means to such an end while of course retaining much of their cultural roots and flavor.

Supremacy has become much more of a relative term in a globalized world. Synthesis and integration of many people and cultures seems a more likely scenario for the future than domination and supremacy. Fundamentalist of all stripes are obviously not as willing to face the statistical evidence that hints at this and actively resist it.

The tribalism urges of humanity to create empire are very entrenched habits that will slow the process of integration and definitely has the potential to escalate into an all out regression if the lessons of history are ignored.

America is not only potentially the most influential player in preventing such a regression but also in creating such an occurence.

Indeed a lonely position.

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Assimilation is key, and the slower the influx the better those chances. [/quote]

Do you believe people can retain their culture and still assimilate into a different culture? In your mind does assimilation carry the same connotation as integration?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Europeans do indeed fear for their futures Lixy. Reasonably. As much as you’d like to dispute… there is reason. Somebody posts about dutch figures in Europe and thats supposed to represent the numbers in reality? I think not. Let’s post the figures in London…I’ll save some work, its called … horrible. How about Scotland, Ireland… etc… all equal… horrible. Go on and try to work your way to USA. Good Luck. No WAY. BITCH. Tell allah he fucked up. He forgot Americans were made of steel. Gwan. Run on back.

Good post. Americans can’t be beaten. And some day, we’re going to quit playing ‘nice’.

Set off a nuke suitcase in New York? How about a MOAB in Mecca in return?

[/quote]

why is it always the guys from Ohio and such places that are always the most paranoid? The last people who are likely to be hit. And anyway, I dont seem to remember a single attack on America since 9/11.

If anything, us Brits are getting all the fucking fallout on our own shores. We have a huge muslim population, and some of them are pissed.

And further more, this whole thing is just a load of shit and i wish we’d never got involved.

Everything has just got worse. We have lost good men based on a lie, spent shit loads of cash and basically kicked over the bees nest. We are more likely to be bombed than ever, terrorism is on the up and up. And oil has got more expensive anyway!

Leave them to it i say. But that won’t happen because we need to do business with the fucking tyrant bastards who run these countries.

[quote]orion wrote:

You see, when they come here, they change.

If they don`t change, their children do.

[/quote]

This seems reasonable to me but I am not first hand in Europe.

Advanced civilizations are notorious for being coercive.

The idea that western European culture is so weak that it could be transformed into a Muslim fundamentalist majority state through passive immigration alone seems unlikely to me.

[quote]Heliotrope wrote:
orion wrote:

You see, when they come here, they change.

If they don`t change, their children do.

This seems reasonable to me but I am not first hand in Europe.

Advanced civilizations are notorious for being coercive.

The idea that western European culture is so weak that it could be transformed into a Muslim fundamentalist majority state through passive immigration alone seems unlikely to me.

[/quote]

I went to school with some of the people that are supposed to overrun us.

To a significant part they fled the conditions they are thought to want to impose on us.

I feel no threat whatsoever, but maybe that is just me.