[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Google Iran rape and you will sie the lie in lixy’s statement.[/quote]
This has gone far enough. Quote the part which you claim is a lie then we can discuss it.
And no, googling “Iran rape” will return sensationalist stories. It’s won’t educate you on the statute of rape in Iran. If we’re to follow your logic, googling “corruption congress” is proof that bribing senators is legal in the USA.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Google Iran rape and you will sie the lie in lixy’s statement.
This has gone far enough. Quote the part which you claim is a lie then we can discuss it.
And no, googling “Iran rape” will return sensationalist stories. It’s won’t educate you on the statute of rape in Iran. If we’re to follow your logic, googling “corruption congress” is proof that bribing senators is legal in the USA.[/quote]
Legality has nothing to do with the government of Iran punishing rape victims. It is happening.
Take your lies and deception elsewhere. We see through them.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
There are entire areas of London and Paris that have been completely taken over. I think you are underestimating what is happening electric eales. There are muslims in London who are lobbying for Sharia law. In some communities the mosques are already sending out morals police to harrass people.
The Muslim countries are exporting large numbers of people while violently resisting anyone from the destination countries coming the other way. This not a two way exchange of people and ideas. The culture of Europe is going to be overwelmed it is just a matter of time.
In the UK thanks to the self serving policies of the labour party the muslims have not assimilated and the problem is growing worse every year. The second and third generation muslims in the UK are far more militantly islamist than their parents. The bombers who blew up the tube were second generation.
So be prepared for Europe to end up like all the other christian countries the muslims have taken over. [/quote]
Liberal open-minded people must always be defeated by sinister and determined people — until the generous ones wake up to the facts and begin to fight back.
Britain should immediately cease letting Muslims immigrate and make practising Sharia Law illegal. There can only be one law of the land and that is British Common Law. Anyone refusing to recognize this should be given a rowboat.
Note: When you start hearing the Call to Prayer being screeched over the local PA system, you’re doomed.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Legality has nothing to do with the government of Iran punishing rape victims. [/quote]
A sudden outbreak of common sense? Good.
Now could you point that out to Pat36/Beowolf/Sifu and the others who claim Saudi and Iranian law calls for punishing rape victims? That was the main point of contention in my exchange with Sifu. If you bothered reading it, you’d know that.
And I’m still waiting for you to quote the “statement” you claim is a lie. I have a feeling you’ll silently retreat as you usually do when running out of one-liners…
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Legality has nothing to do with the government of Iran punishing rape victims.
A sudden outbreak of common sense? Good.
Now could you point that out to Pat36/Beowolf/Sifu and the others who claim Saudi and Iranian law calls for punishing rape victims? That was the main point of contention in my exchange with Sifu. If you bothered reading it, you’d know that.
And I’m still waiting for you to quote the “statement” you claim is a lie. I have a feeling you’ll silently retreat as you usually do when running out of one-liners…[/quote]
I understand your doubletalk and I see through it. You try to deceive like a lawyer. Iran punishes rape victims. You try to pretend it doesn’t because no one can find a written law that demands it do so. The fact is Iran punishes rape victims and you try to convince otherwise.
That is the lie in your statement.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Legality has nothing to do with the government of Iran punishing rape victims.
A sudden outbreak of common sense? Good.
Now could you point that out to Pat36/Beowolf/Sifu and the others who claim Saudi and Iranian law calls for punishing rape victims? That was the main point of contention in my exchange with Sifu. If you bothered reading it, you’d know that.
And I’m still waiting for you to quote the “statement” you claim is a lie. I have a feeling you’ll silently retreat as you usually do when running out of one-liners…[/quote]
For the record, I realize they don’t actually have a law punishing rape victims.
And we’ve kinda lost site of the topic; Why is it justified to invade Iran because of these reasons, but also justified to be allies with the Saudis?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I understand your doubletalk and I see through it. You try to deceive like a lawyer. Iran punishes rape victims. You try to pretend it doesn’t because no one can find a written law that demands it do so. The fact is Iran punishes rape victims and you try to convince otherwise. [/quote]
Innocents were and are still fried in the US. That much is uncontroversial thanks to advances in science and technology. Is it not a logical fallacy to say that the US supports those wrongful executions?
That’s exactly what you are trying to do here. Iran has clear and unambiguous written laws to protect and avenge victims of rape. Does it get abused? Sure. But to say that it has the support of the state is plain silly.
The lot of Mr. Sifu repeatedly claimed that punishing rape is part of Saudi and Iranian law. That’s blatant disinformation and that is the main point in my post. You called me a liar, yet refuse to show us where my lies are. In a perfect world, I could drag you in court over that and get formal apologies.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
For the record, I realize they don’t actually have a law punishing rape victims. [/quote]
Good to see somebody doing his/her homework. Last page you were saying - and this is a direct quote - “they are actually prosecuting her for RAPE”.
Knowing that the abuses women get under the Saudi regime are far worse than the Iranians’.
Double standards? Hypocrisy? Take your pick.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I understand your doubletalk and I see through it. You try to deceive like a lawyer. Iran punishes rape victims. You try to pretend it doesn’t because no one can find a written law that demands it do so. The fact is Iran punishes rape victims and you try to convince otherwise.
Innocents were and are still fried in the US. That much is uncontroversial thanks to advances in science and technology. Is it not a logical fallacy to say that the US supports those wrongful executions?
That’s exactly what you are trying to do here. Iran has clear and unambiguous written laws to protect and avenge victims of rape. Does it get abused? Sure. But to say that it has the support of the state is plain silly.
The lot of Mr. Sifu repeatedly claimed that punishing rape is part of Saudi and Iranian law. That’s blatant disinformation and that is the main point in my post. You called me a liar, yet refuse to show us where my lies are. In a perfect world, I could drag you in court over that and get formal apologies.[/quote]
In a perfect world I would drag you through the computer screen and beat your ass.
The Saudi and Iranian legal systems routinely punish rape victims. Not for rape but for intercourse. Their laws don’t require punishment for rape, merely for intercourse outside marriage. Rape is considered intercourse by those barbarians apparently by you as well as you called a girl that was raped at 13 a slut.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
In a perfect world I would drag you through the computer screen and beat your ass. [/quote]
How very American of you!
Good. You finally got the distinction. Now send Sifu a memo so that he can stop amalgamating the two.
Yes.
The take-home lesson is: Don’t have sex in Iran unless it’s with somebody you’re married to.
Now you’re talking rubbish again. Rape has a clear and unambiguous statute and any victim of such thing is protected under law. The victims of rape that get justice far outweigh the few mistakes of justice you want to pick on.
I wasn’t with her when she was 13, but she did admit to having consensual sex with the guy. Given that he was married, and she kept screwing him for many years, I can safely call her a slut. That her last and fourth offense was a rape is unfortunate, but cases of repeating offenders getting nailed over less than nothing abound in the US as well. Justice was never too lenient on people with heavy files. This case takes it to the extreme.
Fresh news about the OP’s story.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Fresh news about the OP’s story.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Saudis back rape victim sentence [/quote]
Does the BBC have a Hilary fetish I don’t know about? Or did this article just seriously piss off just about our entire conservative population?
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Does the BBC have a Hilary fetish I don’t know about? Or did this article just seriously piss off just about our entire conservative population?
:D[/quote]
I guess Hillary was the first to speak out. Or, maybe they just took a cheap shot at Bush’s disastrous foreign policy.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
In a perfect world I would drag you through the computer screen and beat your ass.
How very American of you!
The Saudi and Iranian legal systems routinely punish rape victims. Not for rape but for intercourse.
Good. You finally got the distinction. Now send Sifu a memo so that he can stop amalgamating the two.
Their laws don’t require punishment for rape, merely for intercourse outside marriage.
Yes.
The take-home lesson is: Don’t have sex in Iran unless it’s with somebody you’re married to.
Rape is considered intercourse by those barbarians apparently by you as well as you called a girl that was raped at 13 a slut.
Now you’re talking rubbish again. Rape has a clear and unambiguous statute and any victim of such thing is protected under law. The victims of rape that get justice far outweigh the few mistakes of justice you want to pick on.
I wasn’t with her when she was 13, but she did admit to having consensual sex with the guy. Given that he was married, and she kept screwing him for many years, I can safely call her a slut. That her last and fourth offense was a rape is unfortunate, but cases of repeating offenders getting nailed over less than nothing abound in the US as well. Justice was never too lenient on people with heavy files. This case takes it to the extreme.[/quote]
What the hell is wrong with you? That guy physically abused and RAPED her several times, as pointed out by the BBC, since the age of 13. The guy was an ex-revolutionary guard. Before that man, she was arrested for “being in a car” alone with a boy. While in custody the Moral police did more than just torture her. She was raped. Again, reported by BBC investigative reporters who went and spoke to family, friends, and neighbors.
She was a scared little girl dubbed a whore by her government and then raped by those Islamic fanatics. And who dies because of the abuse and the rapes? The victim. But you Lixy will swallow up whatever demented package the Iranians push.
You have a girl from the age of 13 to 16 raped mulitple times by “law enforcement” officers of the holy regime of Iran, and do you think her reaction will be. Say something? Try to get him to stop? Why? So he can pull weight with the Moral Police or his revolutionary guard buddies to have her or her family dissapear into a cell? I mean, hey, how many female eyewitness would it take to actually equal his denials, as a man? Two more?
Oh, is it far fetched the Moral Police would make her disappear? Nope, because it happened. The suppossed petition signed by her neighbors? Not one damn signature. No, I’m sorry it did have signatures…Those of the Moral police who arrested her. The BBC investigation discovered this, too. Her father never had a chance to hug her good bye.
The judicial “mistake about her age?” I have a bridge to sell if you’re buying. Not one attempt to verify her age, not one. Though it was clearly on her birth certificate and her death certificate (oops)!
She was the victim of child rapists and molestors. And then, instead of proctecting her, she was sacrificed by her Islamist government, in the name of protecting the sanctity of Islamic men. But, with a nice little package wrapped around the incedent for Islamic apologists such as yourself.
And what is the tone you take about this girl? “Slut,” that “Chick,” play with “fire you get burned?” And if your apoloetics weren’t bad enough, you’re tone spoke volumes. She was a victim from age 13 and up. At the age of 16 those holy bastards of Iran victimized her one last time.
You asked what society would allow such a thing? One that hangs homosexuals.
The investigative reports tell the story. And it isn’t the one you and Iran are pushing.
[quote]lixy wrote:
but let me remind you that among the hundreds of people you guys kill each year, there are probably a few innocents as well.
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We’re talking about Islamic justice here, not American justice.
You claimed above that she was not innocent, that she was a slut and got what she deserved?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Having out-of-wedlock sex in Iran is as deadly as robing houses in Texas.
Did you miss my first post on the thread? I abhor Wahabism. It’s the worst thing that ever happened to Islam. It bred Al-Qaeda, Hamas, a repressive system, plus a sexist and extremely patriarchal society.
Again, denounce the fact that Saudi women have practically no rights whatsoever all you want.
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Do you denounce that the same kind of thing is going on in Iran, Nigeria? Are there Wahabis in control of these countries as well, or are Shia just as screwed up? Why is it easy for you to rip on something in Saudi Arabia, but not Iran when the same thing happens there? Why make excuses for the Iranians and throw the blame at Wahabis when the real issue is with Islamic law across the board?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The investigative reports tell the story. And it isn’t the one you and Iran are pushing.[/quote]
I’m not pushing any story. I said that the girl admitted to having sex with the man. I said that it was her fourth offense. I condemned the Iranian system for its abject handling of the case. I pick my words very carefully. Read closer.
You say that her 3-years affair with the married man was rape, whereas the girl declared that it was consensual. Forgive me for granting her words more credit than yours.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Note: When you start hearing the Call to Prayer being screeched over the local PA system, you’re doomed.
[/quote]
Lol.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Having out-of-wedlock sex in Iran is as deadly as robing houses in Texas.
Did you miss my first post on the thread? I abhor Wahabism. It’s the worst thing that ever happened to Islam. It bred Al-Qaeda, Hamas, a repressive system, plus a sexist and extremely patriarchal society.
Again, denounce the fact that Saudi women have practically no rights whatsoever all you want.
Do you denounce that the same kind of thing is going on in Iran, Nigeria? Are there Wahabis in control of these countries as well, or are Shia just as screwed up? Why is it easy for you to rip on something in Saudi Arabia, but not Iran when the same thing happens there? Why make excuses for the Iranians and throw the blame at Wahabis when the real issue is with Islamic law across the board?[/quote]
So we can agree that the Saudis are as bad as the Iranians. So why are we allied to them, but morally outraged by Iran?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
We’re talking about Islamic justice here, not American justice. [/quote]
Yeah, so…?
My point is that justice is far from perfect and abuses and mistakes happen.
I stated that she was not hanged for rape. I claimed that she was a sexually active despite being single. I oppose the death penalty.
Clear?