yup
[quote]Sloth wrote:
You realize she was at the most 13 when this “consenting” affair started, right? Why was a scared littl girl, raped by this man over and over, hung by her neck? Why [/quote]
She admitted having an affair with the guy. Why do you call it rape? Because of some arbitrary age of consent you decided upon?
Nobody. There is absolutely no doubt that the whole case reeks of malpractice and judicial errors. The judge got sacked and that’s clearly not nearly enough to avenge the death of the girl, but let me remind you that among the hundreds of people you guys kill each year, there are probably a few innocents as well.
Bull! If the man was at his fourth offense, you can bet your ass that he’d get the same sentence.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
Anyway, that Atefah chick, was at her fourth conviction (for non-chastity) at the time of the judgment. She admitted having an affair for many years with some older guy, and is taken very seriously in Iran. But hey, you guys lock up people for having sex with a 17 years old, or worse, smoking weed!
She kinda put herself in a very vulnerable position by her repeating offenses to the Iranian legal system. If you don’t want trouble in that country, you stay away from sex until you’re married. Something she repeatedly violated. I’m not saying that the last verdict was just ar appropriate, but it’s not like she haven’t been warned. To top it off - and that was a clear judicial mistake - her age was reported as 22 in legal documents.
She was hanged for being a slut and for disrespecting the court. If you don’t want to get burned, don’t play with fire.
And the mask slips just a little, briefly, and yet again. [/quote]
He shows callous disregard for the lives of women, gays, American civilians and American servicemen.
I hope this helps open peoples eyes to who he really is.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
No Lixy. Atefah was killed because she had the temerity to excercise her inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. [/quote]
Boy, that sure was the wrong country to defend those rights. You don’t see Dutch people defending their right to smoke weed in Washington by lighting up reefers on Capitol Hill…
There is a point where one must take responsibility for his/her own actions. As illustrated by the “True Texan Hero” thread, you can be shot dead for burglarizing a home (even when there’s nobody in said house!) and people will applaud the killer and call him a hero. I don’t condone neither actions, but I know that while in Rome, you must behave as a Roman.
Having out-of-wedlock sex in Iran is as deadly as robing houses in Texas. You might want to stay away from both. Now, is 16 too young to be prosecutable age? I don’t think so, but it doesn’t matter anyway. In Morocco, it’s good enough to get thrown in jail or executed. It’s also enough to get crowned king and have absolute power over 30 million subjects.
Tell me something I don’t know…
Now you overstepped the line. What do I have to do with the Saudis, the Iranians, or their oppressive ideology?
I’ll insult you, but that isn’t worth it.
Bollocks! I never supported her imprisonment, let alone her execution. She got what she asked for by repeatedly violating Iranian law.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Marrying a non-virgin is one of the most highly-rewarded act one can accomplish in his lifetime. That’s indisputable and there is absolute unanimity over that among Muslim scholars.
Did you miss my first post on the thread? I abhor Wahabism. It’s the worst thing that ever happened to Islam. It bred Al-Qaeda, Hamas, a repressive system, plus a sexist and extremely patriarchal society.
Yes, the way women are treated in Saudi Arabia is a total disgrace. But the American government is supporting them, not me! Take it with the guys in Washington.
Notice that I mainly challenged your claim that those gals were punished because they were RAPED. That seems to be the predominant belief and it is blatantly false.
Again, denounce the fact that Saudi women have practically no rights whatsoever all you want. Do the same for their system condoning capital punishment. But don’t freakin’ twist facts to say that they are condoning punishment of victims knowingly. That’s preposterous and is my only concern as far as this thread is concerned. Think you can be honest enough to acknowledge the misinformation in you 1st post?
Lixy is defending pedophilia.
Why?
How many 13-year olds have you “had an affair” with?
I have a daughter who is 13. there is no way she has the capacity to consent to a sexual relationship with anyone.
It’s rape, asshole.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
No Lixy. Atefah was killed because she had the temerity to excercise her inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Boy, that sure was the wrong country to defend those rights. You don’t see Dutch people defending their right to smoke weed in Washington by lighting up reefers on Capitol Hill…
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I don’t know if they were Dutch but I have seen (and smelled) thousands of people smoke pot on the Mall in DC in full view of the police at a pro pot rally.
[quote]lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
4 men at 17 may have been a “slut” in the 60.
Not anymore.
I don’t get it. Did you mean to write “60s”?[/quote]
Unless 60 is the new street slang for ass
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
texasguy2 wrote:
This story is a pretty fucked up one. I don’t see how anyone can be in support of leaving the region alone.
The middle east today is middle aged europe under the catholic inquisition. I highly doubt that woman wants the US and it’s views of justice to fuck off.
Dude, people in Africa EAT each other.
There are shitholes occupied by primitive races all over the earth.
Have you forgot?
Who appointed us to be crusaders for their moral upbringing?
We have no choice but to bring them into the twenty first century. They have been invading the west and taking over secular areas for decades. We do not have equality between our civilisations so the immigration has been one way. If we don’t do something they are going to wipe out our culture just like we wiped out the Indians.
The middle east is where this evil culture originates. By leaving that unchanged while they continue enlarge the enclaves they have set up in areas like Londonistan and Paris is cultural suicide.
If the Indians had slaughtered the Puritans at Plymouth Rock they would not be in the situation they are in now.
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Man you are one dumb fuck.
So becuase some people that originate from the middle east have moved to London and Paris, this gives you the right to invade middle eastern countries?
You do not need to seek out bullshit excuses, they have oil thats a good enough reason to invade on its own.
Atefah was arrested by the police.
While she was in police custody the police raped her.
When she tried to file rape charges against the police who raped her she was charged with adultery. Because under Sharia law a woman who is raped is an adulterer. Because she has had sex with someone she isn’t married to.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Lixy you ignore the fact that such treatment of women is not unique to Saudi Arabia. Compared to other Islamic countries the Saudi’s are being quite leniant.
In Iran sixteen year old Atefah Sahaaleh was executed for getting raped.
(1of6) A 16 Year Old Iranian Girl Executed by Islamic Police - YouTube
(3of6) A 16 Year Old Iranian Girl Executed by Islamic Police - YouTube
(4of6) A 16 Year Old Iranian Girl Executed by Islamic Police - YouTube
(6of6) A 16 Year Old Iranian Girl Executed by Islamic Police - YouTube
In Nigeria a woman was sentenced to be stoned to death for getting as a punishment for rape.
Sharia law | Islam | The Guardian
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Maybe Ann Coulter had something there…
[quote]lixy wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
However, Lixy, you should note that the justification for letting the white guys off would be calling it consensual or denying it ever happened, whereas in this case they are actually prosecuting her for RAPE.
I don’t mean to sound like I’m defend those disgusting freaks and their twisted patriarchal system, but from my understanding, she was prosecuted for being in an unrelated man’s car which violates Saudi law on segregation of the sexes.
You may wanna check your facts.[/quote]
No wonder people move out of those countries and head for the West. They’ll actually be allowed to LIVE!!
Let’s wait until the ones who aren’t all mad-dog killers have left, then simply nuke the whole region. Or simply quarantine the region and let the mad dogs kill one another.
There are entire areas of London and Paris that have been completely taken over. I think you are underestimating what is happening electric eales. There are muslims in London who are lobbying for Sharia law. In some communities the mosques are already sending out morals police to harrass people.
The Muslim countries are exporting large numbers of people while violently resisting anyone from the destination countries coming the other way. This not a two way exchange of people and ideas. The culture of Europe is going to be overwelmed it is just a matter of time.
In the UK thanks to the self serving policies of the labour party the muslims have not assimilated and the problem is growing worse every year. The second and third generation muslims in the UK are far more militantly islamist than their parents. The bombers who blew up the tube were second generation.
So be prepared for Europe to end up like all the other christian countries the muslims have taken over.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
…
The second and third generation muslims in the UK are far more militantly islamist than their parents. The bombers who blew up the tube were second generation.
… [/quote]
Beware of the 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant that comes from a secularized household but has “found Allah”.
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
texasguy2 wrote:
This story is a pretty fucked up one. I don’t see how anyone can be in support of leaving the region alone.
The middle east today is middle aged europe under the catholic inquisition. I highly doubt that woman wants the US and it’s views of justice to fuck off.
When you say ‘leave the region alone’ what exactly do you mean?
I am wondering if because they have a law that you disagree with, this means and justifies invading their country.[/quote]
I pretty much disagree with their entire legal system because of the way it allocates such backwards punishment as we see here.
I think there are millions of Saudi’s and other middle easterners who are not happy with their lives because of such a shitty legal system/culture and that they are being bullied with no means of self protection to speak of. Again, this girl is a great example.
I do think we have the power to prevent such atrocities and should not stand idle as they happen.
It is akin to walking down the street, seeing a girl being sexually assaulted and doing nothing to help. The girl.
Plus they have tons of oil, we have the ability to take it, and I think we should.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
There are entire areas of London and Paris that have been completely taken over. I think you are underestimating what is happening electric eales. There are muslims in London who are lobbying for Sharia law. In some communities the mosques are already sending out morals police to harrass people.
The Muslim countries are exporting large numbers of people while violently resisting anyone from the destination countries coming the other way. This not a two way exchange of people and ideas. The culture of Europe is going to be overwelmed it is just a matter of time.
In the UK thanks to the self serving policies of the labour party the muslims have not assimilated and the problem is growing worse every year. The second and third generation muslims in the UK are far more militantly islamist than their parents. The bombers who blew up the tube were second generation.
So be prepared for Europe to end up like all the other christian countries the muslims have taken over. [/quote]
Religious tolerance and economic prosperity?
[quote]texasguy2 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
texasguy2 wrote:
This story is a pretty fucked up one. I don’t see how anyone can be in support of leaving the region alone.
The middle east today is middle aged europe under the catholic inquisition. I highly doubt that woman wants the US and it’s views of justice to fuck off.
When you say ‘leave the region alone’ what exactly do you mean?
I am wondering if because they have a law that you disagree with, this means and justifies invading their country.
I pretty much disagree with their entire legal system because of the way it allocates such backwards punishment as we see here.
I think there are millions of Saudi’s and other middle easterners who are not happy with their lives because of such a shitty legal system/culture and that they are being bullied with no means of self protection to speak of. Again, this girl is a great example.
I do think we have the power to prevent such atrocities and should not stand idle as they happen.
It is akin to walking down the street, seeing a girl being sexually assaulted and doing nothing to help. The girl.
Plus they have tons of oil, we have the ability to take it, and I think we should.
[/quote]
What makes you think you can force them to treat their women differently or take their oil?
Who is going to enforce this?
The boy scouts?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
Anyway, that Atefah chick, was at her fourth conviction (for non-chastity) at the time of the judgment. She admitted having an affair for many years with some older guy, and is taken very seriously in Iran. But hey, you guys lock up people for having sex with a 17 years old, or worse, smoking weed!
She kinda put herself in a very vulnerable position by her repeating offenses to the Iranian legal system. If you don’t want trouble in that country, you stay away from sex until you’re married. Something she repeatedly violated. I’m not saying that the last verdict was just ar appropriate, but it’s not like she haven’t been warned. To top it off - and that was a clear judicial mistake - her age was reported as 22 in legal documents.
She was hanged for being a slut and for disrespecting the court. If you don’t want to get burned, don’t play with fire.
And the mask slips just a little, briefly, and yet again. [/quote]
Point, match, game to SLOTH.
Very nice.
JeffR
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Lixy is defending pedophilia.
Why?
How many 13-year olds have you “had an affair” with?
I have a daughter who is 13. there is no way she has the capacity to consent to a sexual relationship with anyone.
It’s rape, asshole.
[/quote]
Oh, an honorable mention to Rainjack.
lixy is getting his.
JeffR
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Atefah was arrested by the police.
While she was in police custody the police raped her. [/quote]
It’s called abuse of power and is in no way restricted to Iran.
You are either a bigot or a fine example of how much moronic a person can get.
Your statement is a load of horseshit. First of all, you speak of adultery as an offense that’s independent of whether the people involved are married or not. But that’s nothing compared to the claim that the law in Iran calls for punishing rape victims. That’s simply [u]FALSE[/u], period. If you can’t be bothered to check simple legal texts, you are in no position to speak of the reasons underlying her arrest and execution.
I tried to reason with you, but you persist in repeating the ridiculous idea that any (and I mean any!) legal system on Earth would condone punishing victims. It goes against basic common sense. But somehow, you seem to turn your brains off when faced with propaganda.
Imbecile!
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Atefah was arrested by the police.
While she was in police custody the police raped her.
It’s called abuse of power and is in no way restricted to Iran.
When she tried to file rape charges against the police who raped her she was charged with adultery. Because under Sharia law a woman who is raped is an adulterer. Because she has had sex with someone she isn’t married to.
You are either a bigot or a fine example of how much moronic a person can get.
Your statement is a load of horseshit. First of all, you speak of adultery as an offense that’s independent of whether the people involved are married or not. But that’s nothing compared to the claim that the law in Iran calls for punishing rape victims. That’s simply [u]FALSE[/u], period. If you can’t be bothered to check simple legal texts, you are in no position to speak of the reasons underlying her arrest and execution.
I tried to reason with you, but you persist in repeating the ridiculous idea that any (and I mean any!) legal system on Earth would condone punishing victims. It goes against basic common sense. But somehow, you seem to turn your brains off when faced with propaganda.
Imbecile![/quote]
Google Iran rape and you will see the lie in lixy’s statement.
Iran regularly punishes rape victims.