[quote]oriensus wrote:
Look up this guy - Kirk Karwoski. [/quote]
Captain Kirk!!!
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Secondly I have no idea why you think the wide stance allows you to stay more upright. Maybe you’re just built strangely, but for most people wide stance causes you to sit back further, which forces a forward lean (otherwise you’d fall backwards). It’s also much harder flexibility wise to squat upright with a wide stance.
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Easy there, dude. I’m only speaking from what experience I have. It may just be my build, but I have to lean forward more in a narrow stance, than in a wide stance. In a narrow stance, my hips are positioned further away from my center of gravity, making me have to lean forward more to keep the bar centered. When I squat wide, everything is much closer to the center, allowing me to “sit back,” as you pointed out, and remain upright.
This may just be my build, but my wife and a few friends must share in the same anomale, because they have also found this to be true. Hey, everyone is different, and I guess what is true for me is not true for you.
[quote]J.W. wrote:
This may just be my build, but my wife and a few friends must share in the same anomale, because they have also found this to be true. Hey, everyone is different, and I guess what is true for me is not true for you.[/quote]
No, you’re right J.W. It’s not surprising someone might think the opposite, though, as it takes tremendous flexibility to go very wide and squat correctly.
-Dan
Wow, that suit completely eliminates the bottom 8th of the squat. No wonder records keep going up.
-Dan
[quote]J.W. wrote:
On a side note, I’d like to thank whoever posted the link to Kara Bohigian doing overhead presses. I googled her and I must say that I find her quite sexy. Muchas Gracias![/quote]
If you think that’s hot you should find the vid of her slapping kennelly (I THINK) before a bench to get him going. Talk about hot.
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
Wow, that suit completely eliminates the bottom 8th of the squat. No wonder records keep going up.
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Looks like he broke parallel to me, that is all that is needed.
[quote]mattwray wrote:
Looks like he broke parallel to me, that is all that is needed.
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Oh, I’m not disputing that at all. I’m also not trying to diss his squat, as that equipment is obviously legal in his federation. Strong as hell too to even put over a grand on his back.
What I meant was the energy stored in the suit is basically doing the bottom 8th of the squat. He slows down dramatically in exactly the same spot each time after launching up at the beginning.
-Dan
[quote]mattwray wrote:
Looks like he broke parallel to me, that is all that is needed.
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Not to be picky because just standing upright with a 1000 lbs is bad ass, but he definitely did NOT break parallel. He hit just about parallel, meaning his femur was parallel to the ground. I don’t know exactly what the rules are in the APF, I believe they are to be parallel and he hit that, so I have no qualms with that lift.
Other feds have different squat rules, the strictest involved want the top of the hip bone to be below the top of your knee, which really means your upper leg is below parallel (probably 4-5 inches lower than the squat in the video). This is extremely hard to do with a wide stance which is why the people that compete in those feds do not use the ultra wide stance.
Again I am not bashing this guy at all, he competed in this fed and everybody else had the same rules, gear, etc and he destroyed them and lifted a lot of weight so that was awesome, I was just commenting on the point that he “broke parallel” because to my eyes (a powerlifting referee) he definitely did not.
Awesome, one of my friends was at the meet.
[quote]RickJames wrote:
A few things.
{…a bunch of good points…}
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Great post.
That was an unbelievable squat!
it’s always interesting to see a guy move such heavy weight when they are fairly close to my own body weight. Just inspiring…
I always wonder, how would the spotters react if he lost it. No way they could hold up or control that weight. People would be crushed…
[quote]nptitim wrote:
Not to be picky because just standing upright with a 1000 lbs is bad ass, but he definitely did NOT break parallel. He hit just about parallel, meaning his femur was parallel to the ground. I don’t know exactly what the rules are in the APF, I believe they are to be parallel and he hit that, so I have no qualms with that lift.
Other feds have different squat rules, the strictest involved want the top of the hip bone to be below the top of your knee, which really means your upper leg is below parallel (probably 4-5 inches lower than the squat in the video). This is extremely hard to do with a wide stance which is why the people that compete in those feds do not use the ultra wide stance. [/quote]
What fed requires that? I don’t know of any rulebook (besides the HighPA, I think they have different wording) that does not say that the thigh where it inserts at the hip must be lower than the top of the knee, IPF included. In fact, the definition of depth is the same in the APF and the IPF. I have never seen a reference to a “hip bone” in any rulebook.
I lift in the USAPL, and I saw his 1030 from the side. To give you a perspective on how poor a frontal camera angle is, I would have given him an “up” call before he hit the bottom of his 1030, and I’m looking for a squat that is definitely below according to the rulebook.
If you watch the squats, the 1030 seems to be a tad deeper than the 1003, fitting right with him cutting the 1003 at a perfect depth. I swear by all that is holy that the side views of these squats were a lot better, as I was directly to his right side viewing at or near the level of the judge on that side.
It’s difficult (actually impossibe, technically) to see where his thigh inserts at his hip from the judges’ chairs in a frontal view, as your view of that insertion is being obscured.
From the front, I would say the squat is borderline, but after seeing his squats from the side, I completely understand why he got whites. Not to mention that one of the side judges was Steve Goggins, a real prick of a squat judge. haha.
[quote]nptitim wrote:
Not to be picky because just standing upright with a 1000 lbs is bad ass, but he definitely did NOT break parallel. He hit just about parallel, meaning his femur was parallel to the ground. I don’t know exactly what the rules are in the APF, I believe they are to be parallel and he hit that, so I have no qualms with that lift.
Other feds have different squat rules, the strictest involved want the top of the hip bone to be below the top of your knee, which really means your upper leg is below parallel (probably 4-5 inches lower than the squat in the video). This is extremely hard to do with a wide stance which is why the people that compete in those feds do not use the ultra wide stance.
Again I am not bashing this guy at all, he competed in this fed and everybody else had the same rules, gear, etc and he destroyed them and lifted a lot of weight so that was awesome, I was just commenting on the point that he “broke parallel” because to my eyes (a powerlifting referee) he definitely did not.[/quote]
While I respect your opinion, I saw this lift in person from the side and I would have to say that it was convincingly below parallel.
By the way, I was under the impression that below parallel (in USAPL, IPF, APF, USPF, etc.) was generally defined as the crease of the hip/thigh joint going below the top of the knee cap rather that the whole hip-bone going below. If we were to apply the latter standrad rather than the former, I think few squats in any fed would withstand such scrutiny. Am I missing something?
[quote]nptitim wrote:
mattwray wrote:
Looks like he broke parallel to me, that is all that is needed.
Not to be picky because just standing upright with a 1000 lbs is bad ass, but he definitely did NOT break parallel. He hit just about parallel, meaning his femur was parallel to the ground. I don’t know exactly what the rules are in the APF, I believe they are to be parallel and he hit that, so I have no qualms with that lift.
Other feds have different squat rules, the strictest involved want the top of the hip bone to be below the top of your knee, which really means your upper leg is below parallel (probably 4-5 inches lower than the squat in the video). This is extremely hard to do with a wide stance which is why the people that compete in those feds do not use the ultra wide stance.
Again I am not bashing this guy at all, he competed in this fed and everybody else had the same rules, gear, etc and he destroyed them and lifted a lot of weight so that was awesome, I was just commenting on the point that he “broke parallel” because to my eyes (a powerlifting referee) he definitely did not.[/quote]
I wouldn’t think you’d need to point this out but your post proves it bears mentioning…you CANNOT judge depth from the front. Period. We don’t know where he hit.
[quote]rugbyhit wrote:
it’s always interesting to see a guy move such heavy weight when they are fairly close to my own body weight. Just inspiring…
I always wonder, how would the spotters react if he lost it. No way they could hold up or control that weight. People would be crushed…
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Not true…if they’re good spotters 
If he dumped the weight, that’s a different story altogether. But for that kind of lift he’s got at least one behind him and two on each side. That is more than enough to spot a 1000lb squat.
[quote]rugbyhit wrote:
it’s always interesting to see a guy move such heavy weight when they are fairly close to my own body weight. Just inspiring…
I always wonder, how would the spotters react if he lost it. No way they could hold up or control that weight. People would be crushed…
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I agree with the bodyguard. If you have good spotters, this can be dealt with. Much harder if the lifter dumps the bar, though. This is why you should always stay with the bar. We squat these weights regularly in the gym without any complications.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
I lifted in that meet in Sam’s flight. I can’t remember what he pulled last weekend. But Sam pulls in the high sixes- conventional too- oddly enough. He is a very gifted lifter- real nice guy as well.
supermick wrote:
Does anyone know what his deadlift is?
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No doubt about his strength but thats a massive discrepancy between his pull and squat.
[quote]supermick wrote:
Pinto wrote:
I lifted in that meet in Sam’s flight. I can’t remember what he pulled last weekend. But Sam pulls in the high sixes- conventional too- oddly enough. He is a very gifted lifter- real nice guy as well.
supermick wrote:
Does anyone know what his deadlift is?
No doubt about his strength but thats a massive discrepancy between his pull and squat.
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Yes, and it’s already been explained. Note that he squatted 705 raw at a meet earlier in the year. For someone squatting more than they’re pulling raw, you definitely have a squatter/bencher body type and not a squatter/deadlifter body type. This coupled with the fact that he’s been prioritizing his squat brings about even more of a discrepancy. Obviously gear makes up a lot of the difference as well. But his raw squat and deadlift seem pretty close to each other (low 700’s to high 600’s), which is not terribly odd.
[quote]Miserere wrote:
oriensus wrote:
Look up this guy - Kirk Karwoski.
Shit, no question whether he hit parallel or not :-)[/quote]
Exactly, that’s why he’s Captain Kirk.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
rugbyhit wrote:
it’s always interesting to see a guy move such heavy weight when they are fairly close to my own body weight. Just inspiring…
I always wonder, how would the spotters react if he lost it. No way they could hold up or control that weight. People would be crushed…
Not true…if they’re good spotters If he dumped the weight, that’s a different story altogether. But for that kind of lift he’s got at least one behind him and two on each side. That is more than enough to spot a 1000lb squat.[/quote]
I’ve spotted many 900+ misses and one 1102 missed squat. As long as you have five attentive spotters, it’s not too bad. I think it helps if you have some guys with some size spotting (weight and height). I remmeber one meet I lifted in last year where none of the spotters were an ounce over 160 lbs. Watching those kids try to catch weight scared me shitless.
I think there’s way more potential for a lifter to get in trouble with a missed lift benching than squatting. It’s harder for spotters to grab the the weight in that position. Plus, lifters often lose the weight with the bar going back towards their head or neck. Spotters don’t have a very wide margin of error in these siutations