[quote]dadean wrote:
What I want to know is how much weight is this lady moving in overhead presses?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7106873414878675726[/quote]
Kara is a beast.
FANTASTIC!
thanks for the link
If anyone ever complains that they don’t want to get “too big” then point them at this and say, “see you won’t get too big, you don’t start putting on huge muscle until you squat well over 1,000 pounds”, then get their skinny ass in the gym
Wide stance on a leverage perspective appears to be the way to go.
Looks like he had converse all stars on, I can’t imagine those being the best for squats either. Its amazing he didn’t rip thru the uppers.
[quote]djrobins wrote:
Wide stance on a leverage perspective appears to be the way to go.
Looks like he had converse all stars on, I can’t imagine those being the best for squats either. Its amazing he didn’t rip thru the uppers.[/quote]
The majority of Powerlifters use good ol’ Converse Allstars. Louie Simmons and Dave Tate publically advocate them. They have a flat sole and allow the lifter to push out against the canvas sides.
[quote]djrobins wrote:
Wide stance on a leverage perspective appears to be the way to go.
Looks like he had converse all stars on, I can’t imagine those being the best for squats either. Its amazing he didn’t rip thru the uppers.[/quote]
You want a flat sole when squatting heavy. Like the reply just below your post states, Chuck’s are advocated by the Westside gang.
Also, a wide stance is not so much a “leverage” advantage - it shortens the “stroke” of the lift (think arched back in bench press).
WIde stance kinda looks like to my uninformed eye like a wider grip bench.
I would believe ( and Im not 100% positive ), that if they hooked up the ekg’s to quad, hams and glutes that the wider stance definately requires more glute activation and less quad activation.
The glutes by nature are a more powerful muscle complex, and the shorter stroke doesnt hurt.
For those of us who dont do them much, it seems the wider stance put a bit more pressure on the knees. Not from the front but the sides. I know the toes outward to an extent relieves some of this. I myself feel this pressure when i widen the squat stance, but toes outward does take some off.
I thought he descended kind of slow to come up with that much weight.
I wouldve thought he wouldve lowered more quikly and came up under control.
I used to think the stretch/reflex was “optional” when it comes to max power.
Nowadays that I think about it, it is integral to producing max power. I think of stretch/reflex more of a “preloading”. Its done in every sport where highest power output is mandatory. Sprinting, vertical jump, throwing for max speed, power lifting, etc.
Before I saw the pictures, I thought he wouldve descended faster to “load” up more.
The back is upright, a lot more than I would’ve thought.
We all know the squat numbers are going to come up alot. This fellow looks like he’s going to put up 100 more lb one day.
Does anyone know what his deadlift is?
[quote]redsox348984 wrote:
dadean wrote:
What I want to know is how much weight is this lady moving in overhead presses?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7106873414878675726
i belive i read something like kara goes up to about 180 in this video for the heavyest lift[/quote]
I started doing standing military presses this year to help rehab my shoulder, great exersize…I’ve also found that I suck majorly at them (my best so far is 185x5, strict), so watching a girl (even one as bad-ass as Kara) lift basically as much as I do makes me realize how weak I actually am…seeing vids like hers is great inspiration to kick my ass into gear and work harder…
oh, and by the way, Sam Byrd is strong as hell…
A few things.
First off, he is the lightest person to ever squat 1000. Next lightest was Vogelpohl at 220. Now to put it in even more perspective, the previous “WR” in the squat for a 198 was 914, shared by both Sam himself and Michael Cartinien of the WPO.
Sam opened with 931 - a 17lb WR. The 1003 puts him 89lbs ahead of the next biggest squat in that weight class.
We can bitch all we want about gear, monolift, drugs, etc., but on the same playing field no one is even close to Sam at this time in the squat under these rules. That is a fact.
This is also, what, 3 months after the NERB? Show me a guy who squats more than him raw in the 198’s squat more than 1003 in the same gear three months later. You’ll quickly see that “strength” is being measured in different ways now, which is unfortunate, but don’t believe that his raw squat completely represents his strength.
Anyone who squats in gear understands the difference and what must be done to maximize both. Anyone who hasn’t used gear will just bitch about the gear.
His other lifts pale somewhat in comparison to his squat, but that’s because he’s been - wait for it - prioritizing his squat. His bench has suffered due to shoulder problems that will require some attention soon, so we haven’t seen his full potential there. His deadlift is “only” in the high 600’s. At this meet, I think he benched low 500’s and only pulled 500 (a “token” to preserve the WR squat) and missed 677 due to a torn callous or something.
Note that someone who hasn’t out-pulled his best raw squat is probably much more of a squatter-bencher build than a squatter-deadlifter build.
We can woulda coulda shoulda lifters who have competed under different rules all we want, but the fact remains that no one that has competed under the rules he does has come within ~90lbs of this feat. Those that understanding will acknowledge this lift for what it is and not acknowledge it for things that it’s not.
About wide stance squatting, check this out. 905 and 920 in a belt and wraps:
http://www.irongame.com/videos/DonReinhoudt.1975USPFSeniorNationals-SQ.wmv
How would standing military presses rehab your shoulder? It seems like a fairly dangerous exercise for an injured shoulder.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
How would standing military presses rehab your shoulder? It seems like a fairly dangerous exercise for an injured shoulder.[/quote]
injury was actually where the front delt and pec tie together…
choice of what exersizes to use for rehab was simple, do exersizes that don’t cause pain in that area…
first couple of months I didn’t do much of anything, after that, I started with high-rep pushups and standing military press (I started with just the bar for high reps), neither exersize caused any pain so I stuck with them…
over the last couple of months I’ve been slowly adding weight to the bar and shoulder still feels good…
[quote]DPH wrote:
cap’nsalty wrote:
How would standing military presses rehab your shoulder? It seems like a fairly dangerous exercise for an injured shoulder.
injury was actually where the front delt and pec tie together…
choice of what exersizes to use for rehab was simple, do exersizes that don’t cause pain in that area…
first couple of months I didn’t do much of anything, after that, I started with high-rep pushups and standing military press (I started with just the bar for high reps), neither exersize caused any pain so I stuck with them…
over the last couple of months I’ve been slowly adding weight to the bar and shoulder still feels good…[/quote]
Im sure theres an old bill starr article stating something of that effect…
Ill try and find it…
[quote]djrobins wrote:
WIde stance kinda looks like to my uninformed eye like a wider grip bench.
I would believe ( and Im not 100% positive ), that if they hooked up the ekg’s to quad, hams and glutes that the wider stance definately requires more glute activation and less quad activation.
The glutes by nature are a more powerful muscle complex, and the shorter stroke doesnt hurt.
For those of us who dont do them much, it seems the wider stance put a bit more pressure on the knees. Not from the front but the sides. I know the toes outward to an extent relieves some of this. I myself feel this pressure when i widen the squat stance, but toes outward does take some off.
I thought he descended kind of slow to come up with that much weight.
I wouldve thought he wouldve lowered more quikly and came up under control.
I used to think the stretch/reflex was “optional” when it comes to max power.
Nowadays that I think about it, it is integral to producing max power. I think of stretch/reflex more of a “preloading”. Its done in every sport where highest power output is mandatory. Sprinting, vertical jump, throwing for max speed, power lifting, etc.
Before I saw the pictures, I thought he wouldve descended faster to “load” up more.
The back is upright, a lot more than I would’ve thought.
We all know the squat numbers are going to come up alot. This fellow looks like he’s going to put up 100 more lb one day.[/quote]
The slow descent is probably more a result of the type of suit he is wearing (and of course the massive weight) - there is no rebound out of a canvass suit such as the poly suits…thus there is little advantage to “dive bombing” down into the hole with such a suit. And yes, a wide stance squat is more analogous to wide grip bench…my point was that is does shorten the stroke. And finally, yes, the wide stance does place more stress upon the hips, glutes and hams and yes, they are more powerful than the quads.
For starters, that is an awesome squat video. That dude is strong.
One great thing about the wide stance is that it allows you to stay much more upright. That is why I started using it, that and the fact that all the monsters of squats use the wide stance.
There is no doubt that your hips do a great deal of the lifting in this stance, because when I switched to wide from narrow, I noticed that my hips would fail long before my quads began to get tired (they were obviously underdeveloped). This caused my lifts to go down but once I re-trained my body to squat wide and my hips got stronger, the weight starting to climb much more rapidly. For me, it feels like the perfect balance between glutes, hips, quads and back. I am much, much more powerful when squatting wide.
On a side note, I’d like to thank whoever posted the link to Kara Bohigian doing overhead presses. I googled her and I must say that I find her quite sexy. Muchas Gracias!
For starters, that is an awesome squat video. That dude is strong.
One great thing about the wide stance is that it allows you to stay much more upright. That is why I started using it, that and the fact that all the monsters of squats use the wide stance.
There is no doubt that your hips do a great deal of the lifting in this stance, because when I switched to wide from narrow, I noticed that my hips would fail long before my quads began to get tired (they were obviously underdeveloped). This caused my lifts to go down but once I re-trained my body to squat wide and my hips got stronger, the weight starting to climb much more rapidly. For me, it feels like the perfect balance between glutes, hips, quads and back. I am much, much more powerful when squatting wide.
On a side note, I’d like to thank whoever posted the link to Kara Bohigian doing overhead presses. I googled her and I must say that I find her quite sexy. Muchas Gracias!
[quote]J.W. wrote:
For starters, that is an awesome squat video. That dude is strong.
One great thing about the wide stance is that it allows you to stay much more upright. That is why I started using it, that and the fact that all the monsters of squats use the wide stance.
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Err…not all of them. Just the ones in feds that have monolifts and don’t require deep squatting.
Secondly I have no idea why you think the wide stance allows you to stay more upright. Maybe you’re just built strangely, but for most people wide stance causes you to sit back further, which forces a forward lean (otherwise you’d fall backwards). It’s also much harder flexibility wise to squat upright with a wide stance.
If you don’t believe me, look at videos of close stance squatters and wide stance squatters. You’ll pretty much always (there might be exceptions) see high level close stance squatters have an almost vertical torso, whereas wide stance squatters tend to lean forward more (Sam Byrd is an exception, obviously).
Cap’nsalty,
Can you give me the names of some close stance squatters and where to find videos of them squatting? I recently started a 5 x 5 program and decided to switch from a wide stance to atg close stance but I can’t tell how vertical my torso should be. I had to cut my weights way back. I’d like to see if I’m doing it right.
Thanks
If you don’t believe me, look at videos of close stance squatters and wide stance squatters. You’ll pretty much always (there might be exceptions) see high level close stance squatters have an almost vertical torso, whereas wide stance squatters tend to lean forward more (Sam Byrd is an exception, obviously).
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[quote]viking power wrote:
Cap’nsalty,
Can you give me the names of some close stance squatters and where to find videos of them squatting? I recently started a 5 x 5 program and decided to switch from a wide stance to atg close stance but I can’t tell how vertical my torso should be. I had to cut my weights way back. I’d like to see if I’m doing it right.
Thanks
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Look up this guy - Kirk Karwoski.
[quote]oriensus wrote:
Look up this guy - Kirk Karwoski. [/quote]
Shit, no question whether he hit parallel or not 
I lifted in that meet in Sam’s flight. I can’t remember what he pulled last weekend. But Sam pulls in the high sixes- conventional too- oddly enough. He is a very gifted lifter- real nice guy as well.
[quote]supermick wrote:
Does anyone know what his deadlift is?[/quote]