Sacrifice Versus Reward

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
Thats gotta be a plus, right?[/quote]

I do find a lot of what you post funny to be honest.

But if your going to talk shit about someone expect to be called out without public progress yourself.

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I bust PX’s balls. The guy is jacked and has clearly done something right.

I’ve never made any claims besides a penis that is above average length and slightly below average girth (twizzler mode). I also try not to clog up serious forums with my bullshit, the vast majority of my posts in S&N are serious unless its some terd starting a thread “Want muscles, what eat?” or “I fat, how loose weight”.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

So now that I answered your question, please respond in kind and answer mine.[/quote]

You new around here? that’s a silly request to make

PX: I haven’t run around the country, but I’ve been attending the Night of Champions, now the New York Pro, for the better half of the past 12 yrs. I also have attended the Hercules and several Atlantic States Championships.

Where did I say NO ONE in the audience works out. Also, if ALL of them didn’t, I wouldn’t give a shit either, because I’m there to see the people onstage, just as when I attend Citi Field for a ball game, I don’t give a shit who in the audience can hit home runs or who can pitch at blinding speeds, or when I’m at Randall’s Island for a track and field event, I don’t give a shit who in the audience can run a sub-10-sec 100-m sprint. Most people in attendance don’t care either. And why should they?

I DID say things specifically to you, but this thread was about a topic–namely, how much sacrifice people are willing to put up with–NOT YOU. And yeah, I put it in the nutrition and supplements section simply because it has to do with nutrition to a degree, I’m more interested in nutrition, and I didn’t want to venture into the GAL section, because this section, like the SAMA section is swarming, OVER-FUCKING-RUN, with younger, or immature posters or simply overgrown (25+ yrs) babies with intellects and libidos of 15 years olds!

So I didn’t want it in the BB section because obviously SERIOUS recreational AND competitive BBers ARE willing to go to great limits, and I didn’t want it in the GAL section because of absolute fucking retards who come to blurt in abruptly shit like, “Pics or it didn’t happen!” or “We a hawdcaw bunch; get out da way o’ we gun make ya get out da way!” or “It’s survival of da fittest; I’m da most accomplished man on dis bawd: I earn da mid-6 figyas and bang a new chic everyday” or any sort of other bullshit I’ve seen here.

And not just you, but many on here speak VERY simply or interpret things the wrong way. LIFE is a complicated business. There ARE people who can’t earn the money they need or want while still trying to get 18-20 in guns and there are people who are VERY jacked AND loaded. It all depends on how your career AND life is set up. My cousin is currently working like a fucking maniac in NYC - Times Square - for MTV. She gets up VERY early for the train from NJ and gets home at 11:30 at night sometimes. Is this conducive for her to be worthy of figure competitor or BBer status? I think not, and I don’t care to hear shit like, “If she just made time for it. She should be striving to be above average in ALL areas of life.” Let’s get fucking real. You can’t be above average in everything, and Dave Tate, a successful businessman AND former BBER and PLer has said that on here over and over and over again. But perhaps he has more of an effect than I do because he’s HUUUUGE - as if being HUGE is something that must be feared and respected at all times. I once even caught flack because I criticized Scott Abel’s writing style because I’m not as big as he. That was fucking funny. Imagine that: I can’t criticize writing style because I’m not big.

I brought up a casual discussion for us to take part in. You say people are in your way. They’re not! You go to the gym and lift reguarly and get adequate nutrition. How are we in your way?

And how are we not serious? I exercise 5 to 6 times per week and make it a priority to do so, and eat a certain way for health and appearance. How is this not dedicated?

And I’m so sick and tired of the criticism of average. WAKE UP CALL FOLKS: MOST PEOPLE don’t even have the raw genetics (eg, athletic ability, IQ) and characteristics to be above average (hyperenergetic versus dull, hard-drivenness versus laziness, energy versus fatigue. And don’t tell me people can BECOME hard driven; you’re laid back or you’re hard driven) What do we do with them? Kill them? Throw them off a fucking cliff? They actually fill job spots in this society that are needed (eg, secretary, many civil service jobs).

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

You wrote this entire post about YOU. Brick specifically stated this thread is NOT for people like you.

Do you feel the need to make every single thread about you or am I missing something?[/quote]

And we, as well as one MOD, wrote that this forum is not for “general fitness”…or am I missing something?[/quote]

Yes, you’re missing the fact that 99% of the threads in GAL are not bodybuilding related, nor was this originally posted in the bodybuilding forum.

So now that I answered your question, please respond in kind and answer mine.[/quote]

It was originally posted in the Supplement and diet forum. As far as my previous response, that poster was speaking directly to me about me so why would I not respond? You aren’t making sense.[/quote]

Lol at me not making sense. I could start a thread specifically asking for everyone but your advice and you would have more input in that thread than anyone else.

Just like this thread was specifically aimed at members of this site that don’t fall on your level of dedication, yet you have more posts than anyone else in this thread.[/quote]

…and apparently you can’t help but keep responding. Your issue isn’t with my post count. Your issue with people actually reading those posts.[/quote]

Your oh so clever attempt to get me not to respond will fall short.

Unfortunately, for you, I never mentioned your post count and I completely understand why people read your posts (including me).

Keep throwing up those straw men, though. It seems they’ve served you well over the past 10 years.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

And I’m so sick and tired of the criticism of average.

[/quote]

That is because of your perspective of it.

Working as a bar back or an AA doesn’t make you average. Putting in zero fucking effort to do a good job, or improve as a person, within your personal means, makes you “average.”

“Average” makes the world a shitty place.

If people put more effort into things, everything, the world would be a better place. Instead we have people that sit back and become complacent and content. Divorce rates are over 50% dude…

You don’t need to make millions to be someone, shit you can make $12,000 a year and be someone. You don’t need books written about you to be extrodinary. You don’t need to do anything other than be the best fucking AA you can be. That makes you better than average. If more people made an effort to be better than they were yesterday, the world would be a better place.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

And I’m so sick and tired of the criticism of average.

[/quote]

That is because of your perspective of it.

Working as a bar back or an AA doesn’t make you average. Putting in zero fucking effort to do a good job, or improve as a person, within your personal means, makes you “average.”

“Average” makes the world a shitty place.

If people put more effort into things, everything, the world would be a better place. Instead we have people that sit back and become complacent and content. Divorce rates are over 50% dude…

You don’t need to make millions to be someone, shit you can make $12,000 a year and be someone. You don’t need books written about you to be extrodinary. You don’t need to do anything other than be the best fucking AA you can be. That makes you better than average. If more people made an effort to be better than they were yesterday, the world would be a better place. [/quote]

Highlighting this for awesomeness

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

And I’m so sick and tired of the criticism of average.

[/quote]

That is because of your perspective of it.

Working as a bar back or an AA doesn’t make you average. Putting in zero fucking effort to do a good job, or improve as a person, within your personal means, makes you “average.”

“Average” makes the world a shitty place.

If people put more effort into things, everything, the world would be a better place. Instead we have people that sit back and become complacent and content. Divorce rates are over 50% dude…

You don’t need to make millions to be someone, shit you can make $12,000 a year and be someone. You don’t need books written about you to be extrodinary. You don’t need to do anything other than be the best fucking AA you can be. That makes you better than average. If more people made an effort to be better than they were yesterday, the world would be a better place. [/quote]

What beans said. I hope to never be average.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
There is a conditioning section.[/quote]

Where in my post do I mention conditioning specifically?

And how is conditioning directly related to taking a more moderate approach conditioning, lifting, and nutrition, considering that elite athletes (more hardcore than ANYONE on here) do conditioning drills on a near daily basis.

I love it–just when I engage in a adult talk, some jerkoff has to come along with what he thinks is some slick, brief, wiseass comment. [/quote]

I think he meant Powerful Women.[/quote]

Chris, perhaps you would like to withdraw that comment?

Bricknyce- I think you make a good point in regards to lifestyle choices. There are definitely responsibilities that come along that you might put ahead of your training…family, career, etc. Everyone is different when it comes to finding balance in their daily life.

That being said, I agree with PX in that this is a site for serious people.

I’m sure we’ve all met that guy who is extremely successful, married with kids, and still manages to appear as the T-Man well into is 30s, 40s, and so on.

It doesn’t take a huge commitment to train like a beast in the gym. It’s not that time consuming to eat larger quantities, or make better decisions in regards of what to eat. You’re not making the same decisions as Average Joe, the coworker that everybody knows, that makes fun of you because you drink “Whey.”

Most average looking people belong to a gym of some sort. They probably get on the treadmill for 30 minutes, then then do a couple sets of bench and curls. Wait, they’re not seeing any results? These are the same people that make excuses for their appearance…job, stress, etc. Next thing you know, they’re resting their frozen dinner on their bitch tits.

“Everybody wanna be a bodybuilda, but nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight…”

Well not exactly, but I don’t know anybody that doesn’t want a respectable physique. Anybody that says they don’t care is a liar, and probably full of excuses.

People that know me probably think I’m obsessive, but I take pride in being successful in every aspect of life. Someone that is successful, and still finds time to enhance their appearance has to have their shit together.

Success is a habit.

Bricknyce- I know you are well beyond an average Joe, and I am by no means calling you out in any way. I know you aren’t suggesting an all or nothing approach. What I am saying, is that it doesn’t take an unsustainable amount of time and effort to do what we do. It takes commitment. People that are successful in balancing their professional, personal, and training time are probably those people who don’t want to hear excuses from themselves or others.

Note: In an interview for my current job with the CEO of my company, he asked me about training, and commented that what I did showed him that I could discipline myself, which is a huge part of what I am currently doing.

End Rant.

Respectfully,

MA

Brick,

Your post really got me thinking. After toying with weights since I was 16 and reading better and applying principles when I was only 28 (as in I waited so long to get it in gear). It’s only now at 32, this past two months that I’ve been taking this more seriously, which means I cleaned up diet, enrolled in a specific gym that gives me guidance on training, a place to train and nutrition program. I’m finally “getting” what more intense people on this forum are thinking, what decisions they are making and why they are making those decisions. I’ve always been obsessive and it’s always achieved my goals (in work, in love, in the gym). Now that I have this driven passion I’m not ready to give it up just yet.

Balance - for me I see this as weigh up between balancing fitness/BB/weight training and the rest of your life. But it’s also true that everything you do outside of the gym will affect your performance in the gym. So it’s not mutually exclusive, it’s “this” AND “that” not “this” OR “that”.

Discipline - reflecting in my personality, having clear boundaries, clear restrictions, clear structured schedules, workouts, meal plans works best for me. Have done Talent Development for over 3 years I know that people think differently and knowing how you think should be the number one aim so anyone can work out how to run their mind and run their life. I will now take the sacrifice of not meeting other people socially so that I can spend more time with family, gym and rest. I wasn’t like that before where I would use an excuse to skip gym and go do something else fun. Now I realise the fun is in the gym, it’s working towards a goal and feeling good as a result of that. I guess I washed social events like that out of my system, keep a close group of friends and try to link to family around the world as much as possible.

Priorities - I guess it all boils down to this. I’ve had to prioritise my life better lately. If I don’t pick up and clean up my health then I won’t live to see 60, I have a history of Type 2 Diabetes and slowly my body was/is breaking down. I was a fool for not doing something about it earlier and not putting my health as a priority. Without prioritising this I would have let myself slide. There were two articles I read this week, one from Cressey and one from Romaniello both discussing how disciplined they were, eating clean etc. And I was like “fuck, what am I doing with my life?, why do I have this shitty opinion that I can eat what I want, train and look good?”. Focus on my career, raise a family (I am married happily for 6 years) and achieve good to great things with the Iron, be healthier each year, spend as much time as I can with my family around the world and give time only to my close friends, travel more, learn more. I now see I wasted parts of my life on shit that doesn’t matter when I should have been asking better questions like “what’s most important now?” and “is this a priority?”

All of the above is just an opinion, it’s not directed at you Brick, the few posts (maybe 6 or so) I’ve read of yours I’ve always found you to be intelligent, insightful and lucid. I guess your post is speaking from personal experiences and personal incidents and since I don’t know much about either I can’t say you’re right or wrong except to say you got me thinking more into this topic. Thank you.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Ultimately I realised that there is no point in being as strict as I used to be, to achive the goals I want now. Sure, I want to be in the top 1% of physiques if there was a sudden ‘shirtless emergency’ at work. Sure, I want to carry around the kind of hard physique that would make any girl go ‘wow’.

BBB[/quote]

Actually, what I observed is that generally chicks in the more mature age group (late twenties to maybe early thrities), no matter they look hot or not, tend to look more than just hard bodies. Sure that extra beef would help, but seems like it wouldnt have the same ‘wow’ effect on younger chicks.

[quote]jhng wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Ultimately I realised that there is no point in being as strict as I used to be, to achive the goals I want now. Sure, I want to be in the top 1% of physiques if there was a sudden ‘shirtless emergency’ at work. Sure, I want to carry around the kind of hard physique that would make any girl go ‘wow’.

BBB[/quote]

Actually, what I observed is that generally chicks in the more mature age group (late twenties to maybe early thrities), no matter they look hot or not, tend to look more than just hard bodies. Sure that extra beef would help, but seems like it wouldnt have the same ‘wow’ effect on younger chicks.[/quote]

You might be right, but I feel like it might have more of an effect, because “wow” bodies are becoming fewer and far between in that age group.

[quote]mallen5 wrote:

[quote]jhng wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Ultimately I realised that there is no point in being as strict as I used to be, to achive the goals I want now. Sure, I want to be in the top 1% of physiques if there was a sudden ‘shirtless emergency’ at work. Sure, I want to carry around the kind of hard physique that would make any girl go ‘wow’.

BBB[/quote]

Actually, what I observed is that generally chicks in the more mature age group (late twenties to maybe early thrities), no matter they look hot or not, tend to look more than just hard bodies. Sure that extra beef would help, but seems like it wouldnt have the same ‘wow’ effect on younger chicks.[/quote]

You might be right, but I feel like it might have more of an effect, because “wow” bodies are becoming fewer and far between in that age group. [/quote]
Anyways it all comes down to how you feel. For example, I’m still not very big so in the winter my body is hidden yet I feel confident in my self knowing that my body looks better than most of the men around me. Girls might not even notice my muscles in the winter but just me knowing I have a good physique gives me confidence.

Now I go to eat more so I can look muscular in the winter too :).

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

And I’m so sick and tired of the criticism of average.

[/quote]

That is because of your perspective of it.

Working as a bar back or an AA doesn’t make you average. Putting in zero fucking effort to do a good job, or improve as a person, within your personal means, makes you “average.”

“Average” makes the world a shitty place.

If people put more effort into things, everything, the world would be a better place. Instead we have people that sit back and become complacent and content. Divorce rates are over 50% dude…

You don’t need to make millions to be someone, shit you can make $12,000 a year and be someone. You don’t need books written about you to be extrodinary. You don’t need to do anything other than be the best fucking AA you can be. That makes you better than average. If more people made an effort to be better than they were yesterday, the world would be a better place. [/quote]

What beans said. I hope to never be average.
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Congratulations. I’ve come to the point where I don’t know what average means after people confusing the shit out of me.

It’s all good Brick, just keep doin’ what your doin’ man… as long as your not hurting anyone with what your doing, it doesn’t matter what you do to keep yourself in shape.

The day I have to tell you “stop throwing DB’s at people!” that all changes though :wink:

I like some of these definitions very much. I deleted the ones I DON’T like. And YES, it is where Beans and I differ in perspective, as he said above. I don’t go by attitude or worth ethic. Possibly because ALMOST everyone OR EVERYONE I work with works pretty good. I don’t see slackers at my current job.

But they’re still average to me, and there’s NOTHING wrong with this. Most are average intellectually and physically and financially and aesthetically (beauty, handsomeness). They aren’t extraordinarly talented either. Some are CNA’s, some are MD’s, some are RD, OT’s and so on. I ask again: What the fuck is wrong with this?!

Now my urologist/andrologist–NO, he is NOT ordinary/average, and I’ve stated in the T Replacement forum over and over again why I believe he isn’t ordinary/average!

I believe most people on this board are average, BECAUSE of my interpretation and belief in the terms below!

Beans: You mentioned the divorce rate and women’s dislike for ordinary dudes twice! According to my view on the definition of average, these women better start patiently waiting for Brad Pitt or George Clooney or Bill Gates or anyone exceptionally handsome, talented, or gifted to come along and give them babies! And I repeat patience, because they might get divorced and end up waiting forever.

We have two different views on things! You said you can be above average and earn $12,000 per year. This is actually far below the average American income.

You mentioned being a bar back. Being a bar back requires less than average abilities (eg, lifting boxes).

Definitions of average on the Web:

* approximating the statistical norm or average or expected value; "the average income in New England is below that of the nation"; "of average height for his age"; "the mean annual rainfall"
* lacking special distinction, rank, or status; commonly encountered; "average people"; "the ordinary (or common) man in the street"
* lacking exceptional quality or ability; "a novel of average merit"; "only a fair performance of the sonata"; "in fair health"; "the caliber of the students has gone from mediocre to above average"; "the performance was middling at best"
* amount to or come to an average, without loss or gain; "The number of hours I work per work averages out to 40"
* a statistic describing the location of a distribution; "it set the norm for American homes"
* around the middle of a scale of evaluation; "an orange of average size"; "intermediate capacity"; "medium bombers"


* modal(a): relating to or constituting the most frequent value in a distribution
* compute the average of
* an intermediate scale value regarded as normal or usual; "he is about average in height"; "the snowfall this month is below average"
* median(a): relating to or constituting the middle value of an ordered set of values (or the average of the middle two in a set with an even number of values); "the median value of 17, 20, and 36 is 20"; "the median income for the year was $15,000"
  wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* In mathematics, an average, central tendency of a data set is a measure of the "middle" or "expected" value of the data set.
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average
  • The arithmetic mean; Any measure of central tendency, especially any mean, the median, or the mode (see Usage notes below); An indication of a player’s ability calculated from his scoring record, etc; To compute the arithmetic mean of; Over a period of time or across members of a population …
    average - Wiktionary

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
It’s all good Brick, just keep doin’ what your doin’ man… as long as your not hurting anyone with what your doing, it doesn’t matter what you do to keep yourself in shape.

The day I have to tell you “stop throwing DB’s at people!” that all changes though ;)[/quote]

Thank you.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

And I’m so sick and tired of the criticism of average.

[/quote]

That is because of your perspective of it.

Working as a bar back or an AA doesn’t make you average. Putting in zero fucking effort to do a good job, or improve as a person, within your personal means, makes you “average.”

“Average” makes the world a shitty place.

If people put more effort into things, everything, the world would be a better place. Instead we have people that sit back and become complacent and content. Divorce rates are over 50% dude…

You don’t need to make millions to be someone, shit you can make $12,000 a year and be someone. You don’t need books written about you to be extrodinary. You don’t need to do anything other than be the best fucking AA you can be. That makes you better than average. If more people made an effort to be better than they were yesterday, the world would be a better place. [/quote]

What beans said. I hope to never be average.
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Congratulations. I’ve come to the point where I don’t know what average means after people confusing the shit out of me. [/quote]

Apparently average has somehow been confused with not working hard. I agree that people should strive to be the best they can be individually but to simply state striving for this suddenly makes you above average is retarded.

There really is nothing wrong with being average, and this thread has basically turned into a hate for people interested in “general fitness”

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I’m also addressing this because I believe there should be a General Fitness forum for people who love fitness as much as anyone else but are not interested in hardcore bodybuilding or powerlifting. The conditioning thread is not a general fitness forum. It’s specific–about CONDITIONING, and conditioning can be as hardcore as anything else, considering Ty Gay and Michael Phelps engage in what everyone on here considers “conditioning” (what a vague term) for 4-6 hr/d. [/quote]

I understand and respect where you are coming from, but I agree with what Prof X and others have said. This site revolves around the “relentless” pursuit of muscle, not a so-so or kinda-sorta attempt at general fitness.

If your more interested in general fitness, than maybe you should find a website that is better suited for such prospects.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

And I’m so sick and tired of the criticism of average. WAKE UP CALL FOLKS: MOST PEOPLE don’t even have the raw genetics (eg, athletic ability, IQ) and characteristics to be above average (hyperenergetic versus dull, hard-drivenness versus laziness, energy versus fatigue. And don’t tell me people can BECOME hard driven; you’re laid back or you’re hard driven) What do we do with them? Kill them? Throw them off a fucking cliff? They actually fill job spots in this society that are needed (eg, secretary, many civil service jobs).

[/quote]

Do you really see it as that black or white? You can’t become hard driven if you were laid back in the past? I nearly failed out of undergrad because I was lazy and liked drinking more than going to class. 9 years later I went to grad school for my Masters, got a 3.9 and ironically an offer to teach a course as well as an offer to be an unpaid adviser for incoming students.

I don’t criticize the average. To each it’s own. But I’ll be damned if I accept it for myself. This goes for all aspects of my life.