Only you can determine whether or not the sacrifices you make to reach your goal are worth it. Depends on whether or not your life is interfering with your goal, or your goal is interfering with your life. Either way, adjustments need to be made based on what is important to you.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
SKy: Have you hit up Cheeburger Cheeburger in Plainview? I couldn’t breathe after eating there. [/quote]
Never been. Something to keep in mind.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
lol this is funny.[/quote]
hater
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
lol this is funny.[/quote]
hater[/quote]
Do you realize that you called your self an “insecure highschool cheerleader girl”? lol
^^Not what I was saying but I can see how you’re putting together from my posts.
What I was saying is that it shouldnt run your life. Where you HAVE to go do something like that(And make an issue out of it). I was saying that if I felt like I went way to overboard I would just bump up my workout the next day if I felt like I needed it… But I see what you were saying.
I should have been a little more clear on my meaning. No one likes the person who vocalizes and makes a big deal about cheating on a meal here and there.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Not what I was saying but I can see how you’re putting together from my posts.
What I was saying is that it shouldnt run your life. Where you HAVE to go do something like that. I was saying that if I felt like I went way to overboard I would just bump up my workout the next day if I felt like it… But I see what you were saying.
I should have been a little more clear on my meaning. [/quote]
I was just busting your chops yo!! I knew what you meant.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
If you really like training, compete, or have goals of being huge, that’s fine. You’re serious about looking and feeling super fucking strong. I am serious about raising a well to do family and retiring on a beach.
[/quote]
Are the two mutually exclusive? Is it impossible to be big, strong, and financially successful with a good family life?
I don’t know if you’re talking about someone trying to become a pro or what, but that doesn’t sit right with me. I understand if you’re talking about the guys that live in their vans and work shit jobs just so they can buy food and drugs to become the next Arnold. I get that.
I don’t think my own approach could really be described as extreme anyhow, as there are many sacrifices that I’m not willing to make in pursuit of strength and size. I’m just wondering what you think is so extreme that it requires sacrificing everything to get there.
Also keep in mind that there are many sacrifices that men make in the pursuit of raising a “well-to-do” family and acquiring a beach-front retirement home. Excessive financial ambition can be just as damaging as what we’re talking about here.
I think that the best anyone can hope for is to achieve some semblance of balance in their life between health, relationships, financial security, and being awesome (a user-defined criteria, but in this case I’m talking about being big and strong). One man’s balance may not be another’s though, especially across different age groups, which you’ve already pointed out.[/quote]
Agreed. Some of these comments are just fucking retarded.
You would think, according to these fools, that you can’t be really big and also earn more than the average income.
How limited are some of you and why do you think the rest of the world follows suit?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Chris: Do you go to bodybuilding shows regularly and seen the amount of schleps/schlubs that look ordinary on a good day but still like following the sport – or maybe even just participating in online fitness forums (hint). [/quote]
Gee, the bodybuilding shows I’ve gone to are filled with people often bigger than some of the competitors.
What shows are you going to where no one in the audience lifts seriously?
I agree with Chris, bodybuilding is NOT like other “sports” since many of the fans are also regular weight lifters. The same can not be said for football.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
If you really like training, compete, or have goals of being huge, that’s fine. You’re serious about looking and feeling super fucking strong. I am serious about raising a well to do family and retiring on a beach.
[/quote]
Are the two mutually exclusive? Is it impossible to be big, strong, and financially successful with a good family life?
I don’t know if you’re talking about someone trying to become a pro or what, but that doesn’t sit right with me. I understand if you’re talking about the guys that live in their vans and work shit jobs just so they can buy food and drugs to become the next Arnold. I get that.
I don’t think my own approach could really be described as extreme anyhow, as there are many sacrifices that I’m not willing to make in pursuit of strength and size. I’m just wondering what you think is so extreme that it requires sacrificing everything to get there.
Also keep in mind that there are many sacrifices that men make in the pursuit of raising a “well-to-do” family and acquiring a beach-front retirement home. Excessive financial ambition can be just as damaging as what we’re talking about here.
I think that the best anyone can hope for is to achieve some semblance of balance in their life between health, relationships, financial security, and being awesome (a user-defined criteria, but in this case I’m talking about being big and strong). One man’s balance may not be another’s though, especially across different age groups, which you’ve already pointed out.[/quote]
Agreed. Some of these comments are just fucking retarded.
You would think, according to these fools, that you can’t be really big and also earn more than the average income.
How limited are some of you and why do you think the rest of the world follows suit?[/quote]
x2
It reads like a lot of rationalizing to me.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most of you aren’t making the progress to justify such an extreme stance on training and eating in the first place.[/quote]
Which is EXACTLY why I recommend what I said before: be consistent with an “OK” routine for LIFE, rather han burn out with practices that will not reap much reward anyway. This is exactly how I deal with people in nutrition. There is no sense in following an optimal diet if it can’t be followed in the long run and when an “OK” diet might be followed for LIFE. This is also why I highly recommend The Bull’s Eye Diet by a former a professor of mine, Dr. Josephine Connolly Schoonen. [/quote]
But we AREN’T saying the same thing. I am speaking of following the basics, because the basics are what get more people huge faster than anything else. That means spend that time putting on basic mass before worrying about how super lean you are. That means be VERY consistent, far above average. It means making sure you are eating those meals every few hours…but it also means that if you are taking it to the extreme level some of these newbs are as if they need to eat like a competing bodybuilder all year long, they will not last in this.
Most really big guys did not start out eating like a dieting competing bodybuilder. Most started out eating like a college level football player looking to put on 20-30lbs for a position.
Bottom line, if your results are not justified by all of the time you spend, you are wasting your fucking time.
I would not be this size thinking like you have in this thread.
I also don’t understand people acting like they can’t make a good living as well as get 20" arms. That makes no sense.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
But that’s because you are eternally bulking form what I gather. Apologies if I’m wrong.
[/quote]
You are wrong, just like every fucker who loves to pretend that this is what I am saying. Bottom line, ten years ago I first posted pics here. Since then, I went from looking like most average people logging in to being one of the biggest guys on the forum…now, if you can assure me your method would have done better, then I will gladly stop trying to reach an extreme level my way and adopt yours…even though it apparently didn’t work like that for you.
I have a very solid goal of what I am trying to reach and maintaining a 8% body fat reading right now would hold that back.
If the muscle wasn’t coming with it, then it would make sense to do it differently.
[quote]
Some of us possess ‘less than robust’ digestive tracts and must compensate accordingly. It can get complicated.[/quote]
You mean like me? I can’t eat much in one sitting, therefore I compensate. You thought this came easy?
Dude, when it comes time for me to step on a stage (if I do), you can bet my diet will be dialed in. You have to build that muscle first before you worry about how ripped it is. I didn’t write that I simply do not care what I eat. I wrote that I am not that strict…because not being strict works for me.
[quote]
That’s kind of my point. Even with extreme measures, and at 225, 9%bf, I would never win a show due to my spider-like proportions. So I decided to focus on things I AM good at, rather than on unrealizeable goals.[/quote]
Good for you. I’ve spoken to people (including CT) who also train guys at a higher level and they do not think the same of me.
[quote]
As I see it, you results are quite impressive, but once you actually get anywhere near competition-ready (if you ever do - I don’t know your goals), you’ll realise that ‘eating the odd hamburger, and lifting heavy shit’ doesn’t cut it.
I’m sure you will lambast me for missing your point or something, so let me save you the trouble… I’m smaller than you so I must know shit.
BBB[/quote]
You did miss my point if you felt the need to tell me that to get stage ready I need to be strict with my diet.
No shit. My goal now is bigger biceps and bigger hamstrings while keeping my body fat in check. Most of the “superstrict” people here are not growing that fast.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also don’t understand people acting like they can’t make a good living as well as get 20" arms. That makes no sense.[/quote]
It certainly isn’t impossible, but if one is having difficulty paying bills and putting food on the table for the family, having 20 inch arms is probably the last thing on their mind.
At least that is the point I was getting from some of the previous posts.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also don’t understand people acting like they can’t make a good living as well as get 20" arms. That makes no sense.[/quote]
It certainly isn’t impossible, but if one is having difficulty paying bills and putting food on the table for the family, having 20 inch arms is probably the last thing on their mind.
At least that is the point I was getting from some of the previous posts.[/quote]
Why would that happen if that person works as hard in all aspects of their life?
MOST people won’t ever do anything above average in their lives at all. Why are we trying to be like most people?
I think the people getting married and having kids they can’t support are a much bigger issue than the guys busting ass in school and in the gym to make a better way for themselves.
Why would someone have to be having a hard time paying bills just because they want to be really muscular?
Those people would have trouble anyway.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also don’t understand people acting like they can’t make a good living as well as get 20" arms. That makes no sense.[/quote]
It certainly isn’t impossible, but if one is having difficulty paying bills and putting food on the table for the family, having 20 inch arms is probably the last thing on their mind.
At least that is the point I was getting from some of the previous posts.[/quote]
Then that person is a moron. Lifting isn’t the cause of his problems, HE IS.
I bill damn close to 3,000 hours a year. That is billed fucking time, not commuting and lunch, etc. I still have plenty of time to be a father, get a masters, get my paper, see my friends and take lifting serious.
People need to stop blaming the iron or the “lifestyle” for their own shortcomings, or looking for outside validation for their choices. You don’t want to try and be the best at your goal, great, but STFU and GTFO of the way of people who do. I don’t care what your goal/career/job/chore/whatever is, you do that shit the best you can, even if it is cleaning up horse shit, you do a good fucking job, or just get the fuck out. Have some fucking integrity, balls, and sense to do teh right thing. Fuck me, if half the people in this country actually GAVE A SHIT again, it would be a much better place to live.
And x6,000 to Stronghold’s post, it was fucking amazing.
(Please pardon any spelling mistakes, IE sucks tha ballz, and I’m gonna be at work all night.)
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also don’t understand people acting like they can’t make a good living as well as get 20" arms. That makes no sense.[/quote]
It certainly isn’t impossible, but if one is having difficulty paying bills and putting food on the table for the family, having 20 inch arms is probably the last thing on their mind.
At least that is the point I was getting from some of the previous posts.[/quote]
Then that person is a moron. Lifting isn’t the cause of his problems, HE IS.
I bill damn close to 3,000 hours a year. That is billed fucking time, not commuting and lunch, etc. I still have plenty of time to be a father, get a masters, get my paper, see my friends and take lifting serious.
People need to stop blaming the iron or the “lifestyle” for their own shortcomings, or looking for outside validation for their choices. You don’t want to try and be the best at your goal, great, but STFU and GTFO of the way of people who do. I don’t care what your goal/career/job/chore/whatever is, you do that shit the best you can, even if it is cleaning up horse shit, you do a good fucking job, or just get the fuck out. Have some fucking integrity, balls, and sense to do teh right thing. Fuck me, if half the people in this country actually GAVE A SHIT again, it would be a much better place to live.
And x6,000 to Stronghold’s post, it was fucking amazing.
(Please pardon any spelling mistakes, IE sucks tha ballz, and I’m gonna be at work all night.)[/quote]
Good post. I had two large surgical procedures today…that my biceps didn’t hinder me from performing.
If you are blaming serious weight lifting for your failures…yes, you just failed again.
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
PX
ever at 8% bf
my face
[/quote]
Dude, no one gives a fuck about your opinion.
Go back to /b/ with this shit.
At least come up with a new put down, many a troll before you has said the same stupid shit.
Do you even lift?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
If you really like training, compete, or have goals of being huge, that’s fine. You’re serious about looking and feeling super fucking strong. I am serious about raising a well to do family and retiring on a beach.
[/quote]
Are the two mutually exclusive? Is it impossible to be big, strong, and financially successful with a good family life?
I don’t know if you’re talking about someone trying to become a pro or what, but that doesn’t sit right with me. I understand if you’re talking about the guys that live in their vans and work shit jobs just so they can buy food and drugs to become the next Arnold. I get that.
I don’t think my own approach could really be described as extreme anyhow, as there are many sacrifices that I’m not willing to make in pursuit of strength and size. I’m just wondering what you think is so extreme that it requires sacrificing everything to get there.
Also keep in mind that there are many sacrifices that men make in the pursuit of raising a “well-to-do” family and acquiring a beach-front retirement home. Excessive financial ambition can be just as damaging as what we’re talking about here.
I think that the best anyone can hope for is to achieve some semblance of balance in their life between health, relationships, financial security, and being awesome (a user-defined criteria, but in this case I’m talking about being big and strong). One man’s balance may not be another’s though, especially across different age groups, which you’ve already pointed out.[/quote]
Agreed. Some of these comments are just fucking retarded.
You would think, according to these fools, that you can’t be really big and also earn more than the average income.
How limited are some of you and why do you think the rest of the world follows suit?[/quote]
To add to this, if people simply learn to live within their means, and be intelligent consumers that don’t compulsively blow all sorts of money on things they don’t need…you don’t NEED to make a shitload of money to support a small family and still be dedicated to your lifting goals. Just because you’re not making 6 figures doesn’t mean you have to live out of a van…there’s a happy medium to be found usually.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Not what I was saying but I can see how you’re putting together from my posts.
What I was saying is that it shouldnt run your life. Where you HAVE to go do something like that. I was saying that if I felt like I went way to overboard I would just bump up my workout the next day if I felt like it… But I see what you were saying.
I should have been a little more clear on my meaning. [/quote]
I was just busting your chops yo!! I knew what you meant.[/quote]
Chops Buster!!! 
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
PX
ever at 8% bf
my face
[/quote]
Dude, no one gives a fuck about your opinion.
Go back to /b/ with this shit.
At least come up with a new put down, many a troll before you has said the same stupid shit.
Do you even lift?[/quote]
hahahaha lol… That gorilla pic is fucked up though… does he have cancer or something?