[quote]on edge wrote:
He ain’t gonna steer this site one fraction further from the mainstream than it already is.[/quote]
Not if he wants to be able to rub two cents together. If he and Weider started a campaign against ordinary gym goers, they’d have opened up hot dog stands long ago.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
You’re not going to find many people who have a high paying job, a phenomenal physique and a social life that includes clubbing every weekend and semi annual vacations to Europe. Some things MUST be sacrificed in order to build the phenomenal physiques we’re all after. Brick has never, not once, said it’s impossible to build a great physique and make a lot of money.
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Yes, sacrifices need to be made for weight lifting, but sacrifices need to be made for ANY pursuit that is going to set you apart from “everyone else”. That is why this thread got heated, not because people misunderstood what he wrote.
You want that six figure job? Chances are, staying out till late Sunday night may keep you from doing that for long.
You want that fine ass girl at the end of the table? Chances are you will have to skip a training session here or there to take her out a few times…with money you had better be getting to sleep early for so you can keep earning it…so it can help pay those bills as well.
If you can manage that job, you can manage some gym time. if you are simply choosing the gym as your one thing you can do without, that is no different than saying you give up partying all weekend to have more time for those other things.
How the hell does weightlifting get pegged as the frivolous act in favor of more parties?[/quote]
I agree.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
AND I really doubt that Tim Patterson is turning away money from people who have no desire to compete.
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I agree. Patterson was stroking PX and maybe doing a little dreaming himself. He ain’t gonna steer this site one fraction further from the mainstream than it already is.[/quote]
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Then there should be a General Fitness forum coming up shortly. I mean, it’s not like this is the first time this has come up.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
PX wrote: “How the hell does weightlifting get pegged as the frivolous act in favor of more parties?”
I don’t understand the question. [/quote]
Maybe you should read that within the context of the entire post it was written?
^ WTF…X…You been Fro’ed! KICK AZZ.
[quote]four60 wrote:
^ WTF…X…You been Fro’ed! KICK AZZ.[/quote]
Frobulking
And actually, it is relevant, considering that quite a few bodybuilders, who either COULDN’T, or REFUSED to, or didn’t have the inclination to get a job that paid them enough to support their endeavors, resorted to some skanky business to do so. Bruce Patterson and Chris Duffy, who resorted to gay porn, come to mind, not to mention THOUSANDS of also-rans.
For me, It had to become about something other than ego and ME ME ME, “what am I getting from this?”, to “what can I do for this?” or weight training was going to become something I used to do rather than something I want to do.
Want a better return? Help someone else.
Three people lifting weights together will get a hell of a lot bigger than just one.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And actually, it is relevant, considering that quite a few bodybuilders, who either COULDN’T, or REFUSED to, or didn’t have the inclination to get a job that paid them enough to support their endeavors, resorted to some skanky business to do so. Bruce Patterson and Chris Duffy, who resorted to gay porn, come to mind, not to mention THOUSANDS of also-rans. [/quote]
Are you serious with this post? I knew a doc in school who stripped on the side. Are you acting like bodybuilding is special in this regard? It isn’t…but let’s face it, when you stand out like that physically, for some of these guys (especially the lazy ones who hate getting a real job), making money from your body is what they fall into.
SOME of these guys only live to eat, sleep and train. Obviously someone like that isn’t interested in a 9 to 5…and there is an entire gay community that most are unaware of who has the cash to help support some of these guys…but pointing out the few doing this as a representation of what you look out for in bodybuilding as a whole is just morally unjustified.
What you just did is no different than that shock news report about creatine someone posted earlier.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
AND I really doubt that Tim Patterson is turning away money from people who have no desire to compete.
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I agree. Patterson was stroking PX and maybe doing a little dreaming himself. He ain’t gonna steer this site one fraction further from the mainstream than it already is.[/quote]
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Then there should be a General Fitness forum coming up shortly. I mean, it’s not like this is the first time this has come up.[/quote]
X, I didn’t mean to imply with my post that there would be a whole new section here on the site.
I meant that I don’t know of a way to ban those who have no goal to compete or to look compete worthy.
I was just stating that a lot of those people that just want to look better or who are looking for a magic pill are among those people attracted to this site and that hopefully they spend money here.
on a separate note, you mentioned you knew of a doctor that was a stripper. Was that to pay off student loans or a hobby? That is the kind of sacrifice that people make to achieve important goals.
One of my friends did a year on a fishing boat out of Alaska because he wanted to buy a house before he was 25yrs old. Crazy dangerous and so labor intensive but in those years he did it and he bought his house here in San Diego when he was 24yrs old.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
AND I really doubt that Tim Patterson is turning away money from people who have no desire to compete.
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I agree. Patterson was stroking PX and maybe doing a little dreaming himself. He ain’t gonna steer this site one fraction further from the mainstream than it already is.[/quote]
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Then there should be a General Fitness forum coming up shortly. I mean, it’s not like this is the first time this has come up.[/quote]
You’re right it has come up many times before and this site still hasn’t become more hardcore. I didn’t say he’s going to steer it more mainstream I said he isn’t going to steer it further from the mainstream. That was pretty clear.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
AND I really doubt that Tim Patterson is turning away money from people who have no desire to compete.
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I agree. Patterson was stroking PX and maybe doing a little dreaming himself. He ain’t gonna steer this site one fraction further from the mainstream than it already is.[/quote]
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Then there should be a General Fitness forum coming up shortly. I mean, it’s not like this is the first time this has come up.[/quote]
You’re right it has come up many times before and this site still hasn’t become more hardcore. I didn’t say he’s going to steer it more mainstream I said he isn’t going to steer it further from the mainstream. That was pretty clear.
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Are we looking at the same site?
For the first time in YEARS, the bodybuilding forum is actually filled with bodybuilding specific posts that are NOT bashing bodybuilders at every turn. If you can’t see that this site has changed somewhat in that regard, then why comment as if nothing is happening?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
AND I really doubt that Tim Patterson is turning away money from people who have no desire to compete.
[/quote]
I agree. Patterson was stroking PX and maybe doing a little dreaming himself. He ain’t gonna steer this site one fraction further from the mainstream than it already is.[/quote]
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Then there should be a General Fitness forum coming up shortly. I mean, it’s not like this is the first time this has come up.[/quote]
You’re right it has come up many times before and this site still hasn’t become more hardcore. I didn’t say he’s going to steer it more mainstream I said he isn’t going to steer it further from the mainstream. That was pretty clear.
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Are we looking at the same site?
For the first time in YEARS, the bodybuilding forum is actually filled with bodybuilding specific posts that are NOT bashing bodybuilders at every turn. If you can’t see that this site has changed somewhat in that regard, then why comment as if nothing is happening?[/quote]
I see more options that allow for bitching in other areas besides the BodyBuilding forum AND that also actually allows for more mainstream members to find areas of interest in the site.
Btw, even without hearing what Tim Patterson said to you I knew that his and TC’s hearts were in the same place as yours just by them putting the Vertical/Speed training thread in the Conditioning forum. I saw that move as nothing but smack. Those V&S guys do bitch & piss more than anyone else on this site, though. There are other hints too, but the bottom line is, as OG or someone said, they are still going to want funds from the mainstreamers and they’re not going to fuck that up.
[quote]on edge wrote:
I see more options that allow for bitching in other areas besides the BodyBuilding forum AND that also actually allows for more mainstream members to find areas of interest in the site.
Btw, even without hearing what Tim Patterson said to you I knew that his and TC’s hearts were in the same place as yours just by them putting the Vertical/Speed training thread in the Conditioning forum. I saw that move as nothing but smack. Those V&S guys do bitch & piss more than anyone else on this site, though. There are other hints too, but the bottom line is, as OG or someone said, they are still going to want funds from the mainstreamers and they’re not going to fuck that up.[/quote]
Why would putting more focus on hardcore lifters fuck up the sales of average people?
If anything, guys making real progress across the board would bring more of those people to our side, not the other way around.
If they were simply interested in making the entire site more friendly to people who don’t have goals, they would get rid of the black background, post nothing but pictures of fitness models who weigh under 200lbs, create a “general fitness for people who want to look like shit” forum, and that would be that.
I am glad the conditioning forum was created. We don’t need all of those people in the bodybuilding forum telling us we need to run more marathons.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I see more options that allow for bitching in other areas besides the BodyBuilding forum AND that also actually allows for more mainstream members to find areas of interest in the site.
Btw, even without hearing what Tim Patterson said to you I knew that his and TC’s hearts were in the same place as yours just by them putting the Vertical/Speed training thread in the Conditioning forum. I saw that move as nothing but smack. Those V&S guys do bitch & piss more than anyone else on this site, though. There are other hints too, but the bottom line is, as OG or someone said, they are still going to want funds from the mainstreamers and they’re not going to fuck that up.[/quote]
Why would putting more focus on hardcore lifters fuck up the sales of average people?
If anything, guys making real progress across the board would bring more of those people to our side, not the other way around.
If they were simply interested in making the entire site more friendly to people who don’t have goals, they would get rid of the black background, post nothing but pictures of fitness models who weigh under 200lbs, create a “general fitness for people who want to look like shit” forum, and that would be that.
I am glad the conditioning forum was created. We don’t need all of those people in the bodybuilding forum telling us we need to run more marathons.[/quote]
You keep concluding I’m saying they are going to go more general and i said nothing suggesting they would want to make the site more friendly to people with no goals. They have their niche and they will stick with it until the market moves them and the market is not going to move them further from the mainstream. Tim can talk all he wants, lets see where we’re at in 3 years.
Thanks for acknowledging my point with your last paragraph. Jeez, it’s about time you agreed with me about something.
My understanding of business is limited, but from what I get Money Talks and Bullshit Walks, correct?
So when you get a bunch of highly dedicated lifters/purchasers together asking for a forum (T-Cell,etc.), you have a good platform to showcase the goods, and therefore, a forum.
What the hell are a bunch of casual lifters with little to any purchase history going to show, and how can you justify the expense? You can’t very well dedicate a forum to a bunch of people whos only message is “Biotest products helped me to achieve very little, and I barely use them anyways.”.
Seems reasonable, right?
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
My understanding of business is limited, but from what I get Money Talks and Bullshit Walks, correct?
So when you get a bunch of highly dedicated lifters/purchasers together asking for a forum (T-Cell,etc.), you have a good platform to showcase the goods, and therefore, a forum.
What the hell are a bunch of casual lifters with little to any purchase history going to show, and how can you justify the expense? You can’t very well dedicate a forum to a bunch of people whos only message is “Biotest products helped me to achieve very little, and I barely use them anyways.”.
Seems reasonable, right?
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I am not sure that is the case. I am not advocating for a general fitness forum. But in regards to buying things a lot of people who don’t realize the hard work that goes in to creating an amazing body will be the first one to buy supplements because they hope it is a magic pill. That is why those weightloss pills and powders and now even a cookie as a diet aid, are making so much money. People want it easy and are willing to buy it if they can.
I don’t think Brick was suggesting that the site tone down the articles to cater to general fitness. I think he suggested a forum but I think a lot of those questions are covered in other forums including Beginners and Conditioning.
But I had hoped this thread was back on track with the actual topic, but maybe it was time to discuss why we should or shouldn’t have a general fitness forum, and it would be interesting to know what other new things the site may have in store for us in the future.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t think Brick was suggesting that the site tone down the articles to cater to general fitness. [/quote]
He wasn’t. But a lot of people took it that way anyway. Shit, I told him so on the phone before anyone even started responding - I could have written 3/4’s of the responses myself. 'Twas all very predictable. ; )
Also - BRO-FISTPOUND FTW!!!
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t think Brick was suggesting that the site tone down the articles to cater to general fitness. [/quote]
He wasn’t. But a lot of people took it that way anyway. Shit, I told him so on the phone before anyone even started responding - I could have written 3/4’s of the responses myself. 'Twas all very predictable. ; )
Also - BRO-FISTPOUND FTW!!! [/quote]
Yup, we spoke about it, and you were right. Most of the things I wrote here were misinterpreted.
OG interpreted them ALL correctly, and so did YOU, Bushido, Stronghold, and Scott.
OG, is right. Medical school is a sacrifice, hence why people turn to jobs which they might not be inclined to get under more ordinary circumstances (eg, real full time employment versus schooling).
PX: I do agree; some of these guys don’t want to get a job and want to do nothing but sleept, eat, and train. However, I do believe (I don’t KNOW) that some turned to “gay for pay” work because MANY jobs aren’t congruent with the bodybuilding lifestyle; they don’t provide the latitude in time, scheduling, and money to keep up with the demands of the endeavor. YOU and I have jobs in which it’s VERY easy to eat when we want or must and attend the gym when we need to. However, for every job like that, there are MANY in which the dynamics AREN’T congruent with the bodybuilding lifestyle and your superiors don’t give a flying fuck about their workers’ muscles and food intake!
“We got a deadline to meet tonight!”
"But you said we’re getting out of here at … "
"Well, I just got a call from … "
“But chief, I got a cannonball delts workout tonight.”
“Tough shit! We need you here, and if you don’t like it, see the door … or a pink slip!”
“We’re sending you down to Atlanta next month. We got a new product coming out.”
“Boss, I’m in the middle of contest prep. I already sent in my entry form. Everything’s gotta be spot on.”
“Tough shit! Find a gym and food down there!”
Phone rings… boop… boop…
“Hello?”
“Hello Buckwheat. How are you? We need you in. Our client is in a crisis.”
“Sorry chief. I gotta fry my pecs tonight.”
And as I’ve said before, I’m NYC-centric. So when people come on here telling me they’re surrounded by a bunch of lazy bums and they’re so goddamn extraordinary and gifted and above average, I might come across as VERY biased, or unclear of where they’re coming from. So I’m guilty of bias, and I admit it.
Why? Because I can take a stroll through the Financial District, or Midtown, or any top notch research hospital (Columbia, Lenox Hill, Sloane Kettering) during work hours (or happy hour for that matter) and can turn my head in any direction and spot a highly intelligent, perhaps Ivy League educated, filthy stinking rich (or at least well-to-do), exceedingly driven, and/or drop dead gorgeous (with a nice ass too) or handsome person.