Pretty sure Kaz was a powerlifter who crossed over to strongman,his static strength didnt appear to do him much harm.Why would Ronnies???
We have had some reps trashed here all because of a harmless pic.Lets keep going.
I saw a pic of Shaq making a freethrow with an 18" stone,ballers are strong AND skillful.
[quote]DLboy wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Ronnie’s the 8-time Mr. Olympia with a Bentley.
Jesse Marunde hangs out with DieselWeasel.
Case closed.
Jesse Marunde can Behind the neck jerk 495+ pounds.
Ronnie Coleman can do seated partial reps with 315.
Case closed.[/quote]
If you honestly think Jesse “Runner-Up” Marunde is stronger than Ronnie Coleman, I feel bad for you.
It depends on what you consider “strong” harris447.
Marunde is stronger than Ronnie in…
Any overhead lift
Farmers walk
Tire Flip
Yoke Walk
Truck Pull
Atlas Stones
Hussafell Carry
Fingal Fingers
Ronnie is stronger in…
Any bench press
Deadlift
Squat
Marunde is more athletic than “strong”. Using him is a poor example as there are numerous other strongman athletes that have static strength superior to Ronnie’s as well as stronger than him in all the events I just listed for Marunde.
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Marque wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
You don’t hear us strongman talk about how well Jesse Marunde or Mariusz could do if they turned to dressing in oil and wearing speedos and posing with other half naked men. HA!
No, you just hear “powerlifters”, “Strongmen”, “Athletes”, constantly bringing up how weak bodybuilders are.
What you’re seeing now is the backlash.
BTW, I firmly believe its all the fanboys (powerlifting/ bodybuilding and others) who argue about this shit. Its rarely the “doers” who care.
I’m a “doer” and I care.
It bothers me that fans of Ronnie think he could just crossover and do well in strongman. Other than the few static lifts I mentioned, he would get crushed. Or die in a medley.
Just like strongman would get crushed if they wore a speedo and dressed in oil. Mariusz is the only guy that would have a chance b/c he is a freak, just like Ronnie is a freak. Jesse Marunde does photo shoots for money and b/c he is a little fruity.
Compared to strongman, MOST bodybuilders are weak. If this bothers you I have no idea why. Bodybuilders are NOT trying to be strong and that should be your point. They are trying to look pretty on stage with their banana hammocks and tanned/shaved bodies.
I think a lot of bodybuilders have ego problems and get upset when someone says they aren’t strong, in general.
The best argument is bodybuilders don’t try to be strong, they try to be pretty.
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Being “pretty” to a bodybuilder means having large muscles. Large muscles are developing by lifting heavy, which also makes one strong. So while you might say they try to be “pretty”, they also get strong.
Strongman lift heavy too, the same thing that bodybuilders do to look “pretty”. The line between being strong and being pretty by bodybuilding standards is very blurred and not mutually exclusive. Maybe the concept that two entities aren’t mutually exclusive is too far above your head.
Athletes develop auxillary abilities in addition to the ones they have trained exclusively for. For example, I am primarily a wrestler, although I have come to really enjoy lifting. The end goal of my training is to give beatings on the mat. However, I also lift heavy as part of my training, hence I also get pretty big and strong. Although I don’t train for strength & size as my end goal, I acquire both to an extent in the process. I’m not as big as a top-level bodybuilder nor as big as a top-level strongmen, but compared to the average person or even the average athlete I am pretty big & strong. The same goes for bodybuilders and strength; although its development is not their end goal, they develop it in the process of training for their specific end. This fact really does suck if you are one of the guys that train exclusively for something that somebody else just develops as part of their training. If you want another example of this, every National-level wrestler I know could do front hand-springs across the mat like it were a cartweel, and most high-level martial artists I know can do similar.
Also, doing “well” in Strongman is a very subjective term. I don’t think anyone here is saying that he is going to place very high on the World or even National level his first try, just that he would be able to hold his own quite well.
Also, the shredded 275 lbers that you have taken such pride in beating are no where near the level that Ronnie is at in bodybuilding. It’s like a professional kickboxer fighting a yellow-belt in Judo then based on that saying that Judo is inferior to kickboxing.
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
It depends on what you consider “strong” harris447.
Marunde is stronger than Ronnie in…
Any overhead lift
Farmers walk
Tire Flip
Yoke Walk
Truck Pull
Atlas Stones
Hussafell Carry
Fingal Fingers
Ronnie is stronger in…
Any bench press
Deadlift
Squat
Marunde is more athletic than “strong”. Using him is a poor example as there are numerous other strongman athletes that have static strength superior to Ronnie’s as well as stronger than him in all the events I just listed for Marunde.
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dictionary definition:
static (adj.) - having no motion; being at rest;fixed; stationary.
hey, I’m curious as to why you say squat, bench, and deadlift are ‘static’ strength…is that strongman jargon the rest of the world doesn’t use?
squat, bench, and deadlift are require movement, there’s nothing static about them…
…
as far as the argument in this thread:
top competitive bodybuilders are in general quite strong (not talking about gym-rat goofballs)…but to become competitive at the sport of strongman, they would have to spend time learning how to apply their strength to the typical strongman events and equipment…
Jesse can also clean around 400 pounds, and I’m pretty sure his deadlift is better. It is over 800, without a belt or straps.
It seems that at the very least the BBer’s here have minds that are open enough to at least consider the idea of the elites of the three disciplines (BBing, PLing and SM) being able to cross over from one to another given a little time to acclimate.
Why are the strongmen so closed minded?
We are talking about Ronnie Coleman here. I would like to see a strong man train with Ronnie for a week, and then still preach the same sermon they are preaching here.
I used to respect the strong men - but their inferiority complex displayed here leaves much to be desired.
[quote]DPH wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
It depends on what you consider “strong” harris447.
Marunde is stronger than Ronnie in…
Any overhead lift
Farmers walk
Tire Flip
Yoke Walk
Truck Pull
Atlas Stones
Hussafell Carry
Fingal Fingers
Ronnie is stronger in…
Any bench press
Deadlift
Squat
Marunde is more athletic than “strong”. Using him is a poor example as there are numerous other strongman athletes that have static strength superior to Ronnie’s as well as stronger than him in all the events I just listed for Marunde.
dictionary definition:
static (adj.) - having no motion; being at rest;fixed; stationary.
hey, I’m curious as to why you say squat, bench, and deadlift are ‘static’ strength…is that strongman jargon the rest of the world doesn’t use?
squat, bench, and deadlift are require movement, there’s nothing static about them…
…
as far as the argument in this thread:
top competitive bodybuilders are in general quite strong (not talking about gym-rat goofballs)…but to become competitive at the sport of strongman, they would have to spend time learning how to apply their strength to the typical strongman events and equipment…[/quote]
DPH, static is a strongman term, meaning not moving your feet (ie. having no motion). Your definition explains it.
Think about it man, with your definition, every movement would be non-static. How else are you going to perform work if you don’t move any weight. HA!
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
DPH, static is a strongman term, meaning not moving your feet (ie. having no motion). Your definition explains it.
Think about it man, with your definition, every movement would be non-static. How else are you going to perform work if you don’t move any weight. HA![/quote]
ahh, I’m somewhat slow…
strongman definition:
static - any event where you don’t move your feet…
[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
Also, doing “well” in Strongman is a very subjective term. I don’t think anyone here is saying that he is going to place very high on the World or even National level his first try, just that he would be able to hold his own quite well.
Also, the shredded 275 lbers that you have taken such pride in beating are no where near the level that Ronnie is at in bodybuilding. It’s like a professional kickboxer fighting a yellow-belt in Judo then based on that saying that Judo is inferior to kickboxing.
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Ronnie could hold his own on the amateur level, but is that really saying anything. He is the biggest freak of all bodybuilders and at +300 lbs. he would still be getting beat by smaller amateurs. I don’t think the Ronnie fans here realize that he couldn’t just crossover and have success. It might take years for him to get to a national level or better yet, he probably wouldn’t even last in the sport. I’m sorry but it’s much easier to put on a speedo and diet down for a contest then it is train and compete in strongman. They are two different things on your body. Strongman has more injuries and more demands on your body.
I didn’t take “pride” in beating the 275 lean bodybuilder guy, why do you people insist on putting words into my mouth? I made him look silly which is his fault for thinking he could just come to my place and do what we do. Not going to happen.
Oh, and it’s a relative comparison. The above example of me and the bodybuilder is relative to a Ronnie Colemen going to train with a Jesse Marunde. Marunde will make him look downright silly on nearly every strongman event. Get it?
[quote]DLboy wrote:
Jesse can also clean around 400 pounds, and I’m pretty sure his deadlift is better. It is over 800, without a belt or straps.
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His clean is definitely better than Ronnie.
I’m not sure on the deadlift. I don’t think Jesse can legitimately pull 800 sans straps/suit. Although people must realize Ronnie did that 800 with a single ply suit and straps. Without that he might get 700-750, which probably puts him on Marunde’s level.
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
DLboy wrote:
Jesse can also clean around 400 pounds, and I’m pretty sure his deadlift is better. It is over 800, without a belt or straps.
His clean is definitely better than Ronnie.
I’m not sure on the deadlift. I don’t think Jesse can legitimately pull 800 sans straps/suit. Although people must realize Ronnie did that 800 with a single ply suit and straps. Without that he might get 700-750, which probably puts him on Marunde’s level.[/quote]
he did 800 for a double. convention style you dont get much out of a suit. theres no way he could possibly get 100 pounds out of it
A lot of times grip is a limiting factor, especially for bodybuilders who tend to rely on straps.
If you notice, he rips it off the floor and starts to slow down, so he is likely get some support from the suit at the bottom. He also has straps so he might only be able to lockout 750.
[quote]RickJames wrote:
And Mikey J. can’t pull 750 from the floor. Maybe with straps. :)[/quote]
Oh really? I thought I read that he had pulled 8 in a PL meet last year. My bad. But I do know that he has (or at least he at one time had the record, I dont know if he still does) the 18" dl record for 231 and under at 1000 lbs
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
RickJames wrote:
And Mikey J. can’t pull 750 from the floor. Maybe with straps. 
Oh really? I thought I read that he had pulled 8 in a PL meet last year. My bad. But I do know that he has (or at least he at one time had the record, I dont know if he still does) the 18" dl record for 231 and under at 1000 lbs
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Yeah, he has that record still I believe, but I think he got redlighted on 740ish at the WPC Worlds this past year.
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
I’m sorry but it’s much easier to put on a speedo and diet down for a contest then it is train and compete in strongman. They are two different things on your body. Strongman has more injuries and more demands on your body.
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Are you sure? Ever try it? You’re the one who keeps making the argument that those who have not tried strongman before have no idea how hard it is… so just flip the argument.
Look, your overall point is a gross generalization that “most” bodybuilders are not all that strong. So what do you base that on? The fact that they never do the events you do? If you narrow the definition to something that suits you (i.e. specific strongman only events), then it’s easy for you to think you are winning the argument every time. It’s like me defining being “athletic” along terms that would only allow participants of a single sport to fit the definition.
It just doesn’t make any sense. Instead, you will just throw around your silly lines about Speedos and posing oil and blah blah blah. The point at which you resort to that, you’ve shown you don’t have an argument.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
I’m sorry but it’s much easier to put on a speedo and diet down for a contest then it is train and compete in strongman. They are two different things on your body. Strongman has more injuries and more demands on your body.
Are you sure? Ever try it? You’re the one who keeps making the argument that those who have not tried strongman before have no idea how hard it is… so just flip the argument.
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Actually, yes. I’ve never stepped on stage but used to diet down to single digit bodyfat (7-8%) and manipulate diet/cardio drastically all while training like a bodybuilder. I won a physique transformation contest that T-Nation put on as well. So I know what it’s like and the effort it takes.
Surely you can’t argue that tanning, having someone shave my ass, and putting on a speedo is difficult???
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Actually, yes. I’ve never stepped on stage but used to diet down to single digit bodyfat (7-8%) and manipulate diet/cardio drastically all while training like a bodybuilder. I won a physique transformation contest that T-Nation put on as well. So I know what it’s like and the effort it takes.
Surely you can’t argue that tanning, having someone shave my ass, and putting on a speedo is difficult??? [/quote]
Winning a contest on T-Nation is hardly comparable to getting your IFBB card.
Thinking that just shows your bigotry/fear/close mindedness.
I am more than confident that Coleman could pretty much make you look like the whiny bitch you are acting like here in a strongman contest.
Not that that’s anywhere near a real feat, but it would shut you up at the very least.
[quote]redsox348984 wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
DLboy wrote:
Jesse can also clean around 400 pounds, and I’m pretty sure his deadlift is better. It is over 800, without a belt or straps.
His clean is definitely better than Ronnie.
I’m not sure on the deadlift. I don’t think Jesse can legitimately pull 800 sans straps/suit. Although people must realize Ronnie did that 800 with a single ply suit and straps. Without that he might get 700-750, which probably puts him on Marunde’s level.
he did 800 for a double. convention style you dont get much out of a suit. theres no way he could possibly get 100 pounds out of it[/quote]
I second that
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Kuz wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
I’m sorry but it’s much easier to put on a speedo and diet down for a contest then it is train and compete in strongman. They are two different things on your body. Strongman has more injuries and more demands on your body.
Are you sure? Ever try it? You’re the one who keeps making the argument that those who have not tried strongman before have no idea how hard it is… so just flip the argument.
Actually, yes. I’ve never stepped on stage but used to diet down to single digit bodyfat (7-8%) and manipulate diet/cardio drastically all while training like a bodybuilder. I won a physique transformation contest that T-Nation put on as well. So I know what it’s like and the effort it takes.
Surely you can’t argue that tanning, having someone shave my ass, and putting on a speedo is difficult??? [/quote]
You just compared a “T-Nation physique contest” with a pro bodybuilding contest? Were you laughing when you wrote that? Because I’m laughing at you.