[quote]rainjack wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
Actually, yes. I’ve never stepped on stage but used to diet down to single digit bodyfat (7-8%) and manipulate diet/cardio drastically all while training like a bodybuilder. I won a physique transformation contest that T-Nation put on as well. So I know what it’s like and the effort it takes.
Surely you can’t argue that tanning, having someone shave my ass, and putting on a speedo is difficult???
Winning a contest on T-Nation is hardly comparable to getting your IFBB card.
Thinking that just shows your bigotry/fear/close mindedness.
I am more than confident that Coleman could pretty much make you look like the whiny bitch you are acting like here in a strongman contest.
Not that that’s anywhere near a real feat, but it would shut you up at the very least. [/quote]
You are retarded.
Where did I say I could get my IFBB card? Where did I say me winning a small physique contest was comparable? Oh yeah, I didn’t.
If you’re going to tell me that it takes a lot more to do that other what I have done, you’re absolutely right. It takes boatloads of drugs and superior genetics. I put in the same work as these guys do in every other area (diet, training, cardio, etc.), thank you.
And why are you comparing me to Ronnie? Where did I say I was on his level? He is a freak of nature. Try reading more than just one post you idiot. I wouldn’t even be in the same weight class. But actually, I’m confident I could beat him at most of the events, and why shouldn’t I be able to, its my sport, not his.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You just compared a “T-Nation physique contest” with a pro bodybuilding contest? Were you laughing when you wrote that? Because I’m laughing at you.[/quote]
The actions I took were exactly what one would take to prepare for a bodybuilding contest.
Did I step on stage tanned, shaved and oiled up? No.
Did I take absurd amounts of drugs to get to sick levels of bodyfat? No.
If you can tell me what one does differently to step on stage (other than drugs) as opposed to preparing for a photo shoot I’m all ears. Especially if you think the difference is what makes bodybuilding “hard”.
I know plenty of bodybuilders and have talked with many so I know how the “sport” works.
Maybe if you guys could actually read we could have an argument.
Instead you misinterpret or skip posts and I have to explain myself.
Someone asked if I ever tried bodybuilding. My answer was no, that I have never stepped on stage, but did everything else that you do to get to that point (sans absurd drugs).
And my opinion is that it was not nearly as hard as preparing for a strongman contest.
Nowhere did I say IFBB. Nowhere did I say I’m preparing for WSM.
Go back to the bodybuilding forum. What are you guys doing here on a strength sport forum in which bodybuilding is neither of the two. HA!
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You just compared a “T-Nation physique contest” with a pro bodybuilding contest? Were you laughing when you wrote that? Because I’m laughing at you.
The actions I took were exactly what one would take to prepare for a bodybuilding contest.
Did I step on stage tanned, shaved and oiled up? No.
Did I take absurd amounts of drugs to get to sick levels of bodyfat? No.
If you can tell me what one does differently to step on stage (other than drugs) as opposed to preparing for a photo shoot I’m all ears. Especially if you think the difference is what makes bodybuilding “hard”.
I know plenty of bodybuilders and have talked with many so I know how the “sport” works.[/quote]
I have an idea. Why don’t you ask Christian T. if what you did was comparable to how he prepared for his contest? Ask him if it was so effortless. He just finished a real one. I am very anxious to hear whether your description of the ease of competition lines up with reality.
Wasn’t Ronnie a runningback at Grambling or somewhere in college? Probably more athletic ability just to be able to do that than 99% of the readers on this site.
I think the biggest hinderance to Ronnie doing strongman would be his height. Just too short to take on the big guys. Strongmen are just powerlifters that were too tall to be competitive. Long limbs, bad benches, and some quickness. That is a strongman.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You just compared a “T-Nation physique contest” with a pro bodybuilding contest? Were you laughing when you wrote that? Because I’m laughing at you.
The actions I took were exactly what one would take to prepare for a bodybuilding contest.
Did I step on stage tanned, shaved and oiled up? No.
Did I take absurd amounts of drugs to get to sick levels of bodyfat? No.
If you can tell me what one does differently to step on stage (other than drugs) as opposed to preparing for a photo shoot I’m all ears. Especially if you think the difference is what makes bodybuilding “hard”.
I know plenty of bodybuilders and have talked with many so I know how the “sport” works.
I have an idea. Why don’t you ask Christian T. if what you did was comparable to how he prepared for his contest? Ask him if it was so effortless. He just finished a real one. I am very anxious to hear whether your description of the ease of competition lines up with reality.[/quote]
HA! You can’t even explain to me the difference yourself.
Where did I say “effortless”? I just said my opinion is that strongman is much harder to prepare for and harder on the body. I bet Christian T. would probably agree with it if he tried strongman out.
I’m waiting to hear the vast differences between preparing for a local level bodybuilding show and a show where you could earn your IFBB card.
By the way, I’m getting ready to compete in a Pro/AM strongman contest so I’m not just a dude who trains in my backyard. I know plenty of bodybuilders out here, they’re everywhere, know how they train and what they do to prepare for the big shows. These are the top IFBB guys but they are competing on a national level.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Oh really? I thought I read that he had pulled 8 in a PL meet last year. My bad. But I do know that he has (or at least he at one time had the record, I dont know if he still does) the 18" dl record for 231 and under at 1000 lbs
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That record was beaten at Monsters of the Midwest in January. 1005, for the life of me can’t remember the guy’s name… maybe Machine knows. Here’s a link though:
I was very excited about this thread initially, and hoping to see some more pictures of Ronnie doing some strongman lifts. Unfortunately, now it’s just a pissing contest.
As someone has said before me, I think the coolest part about this thread is realizing the common ground that we share as powerlifters, bodybuilders, and strongmen competitors. Although we (myself included) are apt to stratify ourselves into one of these classifications, our lifting benefits the most when we open ourselves up to the denominations of the lifting religion.
Taking Big Ron as an example, I would be willing to bet that there is a connection between his freakish strength/physique/dominance over the past 8 years and his incorporation of his powerlifting roots and strongman training in with the accepted “traditional” bodybuilding exercises. It was posted previously that Jesse Marunde has a 400lb clean and 800lb dead; hyoooge lifts that no doubt have helped him in his strongman endeavors. I think there’s a lot to be said for incorporating other training styles into your routine, regardless of goals. I’m a weak wannabe Olympic lifter, but that doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy Westside for Skinny Bastards, or flipping some tires every now and then. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go do dumbbell curls in the squat rack.
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
HA! You can’t even explain to me the difference yourself.
Where did I say “effortless”? I just said my opinion is that strongman is much harder to prepare for and harder on the body. I bet Christian T. would probably agree with it if he tried strongman out.
I’m waiting to hear the vast differences between preparing for a local level bodybuilding show and a show where you could earn your IFBB card.
By the way, I’m getting ready to compete in a Pro/AM strongman contest so I’m not just a dude who trains in my backyard. I know plenty of bodybuilders out here, they’re everywhere, know how they train and what they do to prepare for the big shows. These are the top IFBB guys but they are competing on a national level. [/quote]
You didn’t prepare for a local level bodybuilding show. You said yourself you were 7-8% body fat. That isn’t “contest condition” even though it is lean. You did an internet contest. I recommended asking CT because he just competed. I have been around competitive bodybuilders for years, however, I have never stepped on stage. Why not ask someone who has recently? You are the one approaching this as if competitive bodybuilding is so easy and only your particular sport requires real effort. Not one bodybuilder I have known, including one who is IFBB and two who are NPC regulars have ever presented what they do as if it is that easy. It takes total concentration and effort. I don’t understand what your issue is. Does it hurt you to know that bodybuilders are strong and train hard? Does it bother you that the sports may be comparable in some way?
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Oh really? I thought I read that he had pulled 8 in a PL meet last year. My bad. But I do know that he has (or at least he at one time had the record, I dont know if he still does) the 18" dl record for 231 and under at 1000 lbs
That record was beaten at Monsters of the Midwest in January. 1005, for the life of me can’t remember the guy’s name… maybe Machine knows. Here’s a link though:
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Prof X, here is what I said since you continuously seem to put words into my mouth.
I’m sorry but it’s much easier to put on a speedo and diet down for a contest then it is train and compete in strongman. They are two different things on your body. Strongman has more injuries and more demands on your body.
Still waiting to hear how what you do to lose that extra 2% bodyfat (from 7% to 5%) to be at contest level changes the above paragraph.[/quote]
That last 2% is considered the hardest to lose. The same goes for the “last 10lbs” when dieting. You knew this though, I’m sure. No one is putting words in your mouth. You simply want to believe your particular sport is harder and takes more effort. You want to believe that bodybuilders and “strongmen” don’t have major similarities and you want to believe that bodybuilders are weak in general. The question that has been asked of you, is why do you feel the need to do that?
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MachineAZ wrote:
It bothers me that fans of Ronnie think he could just crossover and do well in strongman.[/quote]
But why should it bother you what “Ronnie fans” think? Do you find that so intimidating to think he could do well in “your sport?”
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I think a lot of bodybuilders have ego problems and get upset when someone says they aren’t strong, in general.[/quote]
No offense, but it really sounds like you’re the one whose ego needs a good reality check; you’re the one who’s upset when someone says bodybuilders are strong, in general. Why are you so adamant about defending your strongman fiefdom against what bodybuilders think?
Excellent point. I think you nailed what’s probably eating at MachineAZ.
Where did I say I could get my IFBB card? Where did I say me winning a small physique contest was comparable? Oh yeah, I didn’t.
If you’re going to tell me that it takes a lot more to do that other what I have done, you’re absolutely right. It takes boatloads of drugs and superior genetics. I put in the same work as these guys do in every other area (diet, training, cardio, etc.), thank you.
And why are you comparing me to Ronnie? Where did I say I was on his level? He is a freak of nature. Try reading more than just one post you idiot. I wouldn’t even be in the same weight class. But actually, I’m confident I could beat him at most of the events, and why shouldn’t I be able to, its my sport, not his.[/quote]
You tell me to read. You tell me you never said shit that you strongly implied, then you turn around and tell me that You could beat Coleman in most of the events.
Who is retarded again?
You seem to think that cardio, diet and training is all it takes to be a world class BBer. As if anyone with half a brainstem could do it if they just ate, cardioed and lifted.
That is where your ignorance lies - something you have never done always seems really easy to do - until you actually do it.
I could give a shit if this is your sport. I guess you just proveds that there are stupid people in every sport.
But I have to hand it to you - you are a self-confident little fuck.