Ronnie Doing Stones!!!

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Actually, most strongman are “fat”, relative to bodybuilders. Just like bodybuilders are weak, relative to strongman.

Generalizations and stereotypes exist for a reason. It’s not to say that all strongman are fat or all bodybuilders are weak.

I don’t where ugly and communist comes from. Or the rest of that bs you spouted off.

To throw some more fuel into the fire…

Bodybuilders would suck in strongman. Assuming they could even complete a contest.

Just as strongman would suck in bodybuilding. Assuming they could even fit into a speedo.

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[quote]keaster wrote:
The stone is paper mache. Clearly all that mass is non-functional. [/quote]

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
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To throw some more fuel into the fire…

Bodybuilders would suck in strongman. Assuming they could even complete a contest.
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As long as they trained for it they would actually probably do well.

If you made them step off the bodybuilding stage to compete in strongman they would not have a chance because of the way they deplete their body to get shredded for the show.

Again as long as they trained for it they also would likely do quite well.

Some of these guys have impressive muscle mass. If the got shredded they would fit in on stage.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
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To throw some more fuel into the fire…

Bodybuilders would suck in strongman. Assuming they could even complete a contest.

As long as they trained for it they would actually probably do well.

If you made them step off the bodybuilding stage to compete in strongman they would not have a chance because of the way they deplete their body to get shredded for the show.

Just as strongman would suck in bodybuilding. Assuming they could even fit into a speedo.

Again as long as they trained for it they also would likely do quite well.

Some of these guys have impressive muscle mass. If the got shredded they would fit in on stage.
[/quote]

How dare you imply they are equal! The audacity! What next, you expect for bodybuilding to be respected by other weight trainers!!!

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Ronnie’s the 8-time Mr. Olympia with a Bentley.

Jesse Marunde hangs out with DieselWeasel.

Case closed.[/quote]

Jesse Marunde can Behind the neck jerk 495+ pounds.

Ronnie Coleman can do seated partial reps with 315.

Case closed.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
…

To throw some more fuel into the fire…

Bodybuilders would suck in strongman. Assuming they could even complete a contest.

As long as they trained for it they would actually probably do well.

If you made them step off the bodybuilding stage to compete in strongman they would not have a chance because of the way they deplete their body to get shredded for the show.

Just as strongman would suck in bodybuilding. Assuming they could even fit into a speedo.

Again as long as they trained for it they also would likely do quite well.

Some of these guys have impressive muscle mass. If the got shredded they would fit in on stage.
[/quote]

You are showing your lack of knowledge and clearly you have not tried strongman. I don’t understand how you can think they would do well if you haven’t done it.

I have had several muscle bound guys come out, 275 and lean, that I made look like school girls. They couldn’t flip the tire once while I have done it for 20. They can’t walk with weight on their backs. They don’t have grip strength. The list goes on.

That has nothing to do with there “depletion” or level of bodyfat. It has to do with strength and technique. They don’t have it when it comes to nearly every event in strongman.

Your comment about as long as they trained for it you think they would do quite well? Maybe in certain events. But again, most bodybuilders just aren’t built for events nor have they developed the core strength needed for many events. Being 5’8 also hinders you.

If you’re a bodybuilder and don’t believe me, why don’t you go try out strongman. If you’re in Phoenix, you have a free invite to come over and train with me.

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
…

To throw some more fuel into the fire…

Bodybuilders would suck in strongman. Assuming they could even complete a contest.

As long as they trained for it they would actually probably do well.

If you made them step off the bodybuilding stage to compete in strongman they would not have a chance because of the way they deplete their body to get shredded for the show.

Just as strongman would suck in bodybuilding. Assuming they could even fit into a speedo.

Again as long as they trained for it they also would likely do quite well.

Some of these guys have impressive muscle mass. If the got shredded they would fit in on stage.

You are showing your lack of knowledge and clearly you have not tried strongman. I don’t understand how you can think they would do well if you haven’t done it.

“Impressive muscle mass” has nothing to do with being able to “do quite well” in strongman. I have had several muscle bound guys come out, 275 and lean, that I made look like school girls. They couldn’t flip the tire once while I have done it for 20. They can’t walk with weight on their backs. They don’t have grip strength. The list goes on.

That has nothing to do with there “depletion” or level of bodyfat. It has to do with strength and technique. They don’t have it when it comes to nearly every event in strongman.

Your comment about as long as they trained for it you think they would do quite well? Maybe in certain events. But again, most bodybuilders just aren’t built for events nor have they developed the core strength needed for many events. Being 5’8 also hinders you.

If you’re a bodybuilder and don’t believe me, why don’t you go try out strongman. If you’re in Phoenix, you have a free invite to come over and train with me.
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look at me, i compete in strong man competitions so therefore i am awesome. I am stronger than ronnie and therefore i am a better person. If i wanted, with all my muscle mass, i could do very well in body building, but ronnie, 8 time mr. olympia can’t do any strong man stuff because body builders are weak.

just reiterating your own words.
give respect where respect is due. ronnie doesn’t do any strong man competitions but to say he is weak is just plain foolish. if he trained for it, like you mentioned you have, then I would guess he would do better than average, given his strength levels as a “non functional” bodybuilder.

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
…

To throw some more fuel into the fire…

Bodybuilders would suck in strongman. Assuming they could even complete a contest.

As long as they trained for it they would actually probably do well.

If you made them step off the bodybuilding stage to compete in strongman they would not have a chance because of the way they deplete their body to get shredded for the show.

Just as strongman would suck in bodybuilding. Assuming they could even fit into a speedo.

Again as long as they trained for it they also would likely do quite well.

Some of these guys have impressive muscle mass. If the got shredded they would fit in on stage.

You are showing your lack of knowledge and clearly you have not tried strongman. I don’t understand how you can think they would do well if you haven’t done it.

I have had several muscle bound guys come out, 275 and lean, that I made look like school girls. They couldn’t flip the tire once while I have done it for 20. They can’t walk with weight on their backs. They don’t have grip strength. The list goes on.

That has nothing to do with there “depletion” or level of bodyfat. It has to do with strength and technique. They don’t have it when it comes to nearly every event in strongman.

Your comment about as long as they trained for it you think they would do quite well? Maybe in certain events. But again, most bodybuilders just aren’t built for events nor have they developed the core strength needed for many events. Being 5’8 also hinders you.

If you’re a bodybuilder and don’t believe me, why don’t you go try out strongman. If you’re in Phoenix, you have a free invite to come over and train with me.[/quote]

This post makes little sense. You are basically implying that as a rule bodybuilders in general couldn’t stop “bodybuilding”, train for a few years in powerlifting and do well? That’s stupid. Stop typing.

We get it, you are a powerlifter. God forbid some ex-competitive bodybuilder EVER trains for strongman with an all out effort. This would apparently insult you to no end. They have words for that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This post makes little sense. You are basically implying that as a rule bodybuilders in general couldn’t stop “bodybuilding”, train for a few years in powerlifting and do well? That’s stupid. Stop typing.

We get it, you are a powerlifter. God forbid some ex-competitive bodybuilder EVER trains for strongman with an all out effort. This would apparently insult you to no end. They have words for that.[/quote]

I think you just conceded the argument. Thanks. Haha!

Which is it…bodybuilders could crossover to strongman and do well? Or that it would take a FEW YEARS to crossover? The whole argument is what they can do in the moment, not how they would do if you gave them years to train. Of course they could give up bodybuilding and train strongman and eventually might have success. Who knows really.

The point that I made is that Ronnie couldn’t just take up strongman and do well, with the exception of a few events. It would take YEARS. And he is an exceptional freak, most bodybuilders wouldn’t be able to hold their own on the amateur level.

Why does this upset you guys?

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
…

To throw some more fuel into the fire…

Bodybuilders would suck in strongman. Assuming they could even complete a contest.

As long as they trained for it they would actually probably do well.

If you made them step off the bodybuilding stage to compete in strongman they would not have a chance because of the way they deplete their body to get shredded for the show.

Just as strongman would suck in bodybuilding. Assuming they could even fit into a speedo.

Again as long as they trained for it they also would likely do quite well.

Some of these guys have impressive muscle mass. If the got shredded they would fit in on stage.

You are showing your lack of knowledge and clearly you have not tried strongman. I don’t understand how you can think they would do well if you haven’t done it.

I have had several muscle bound guys come out, 275 and lean, that I made look like school girls. They couldn’t flip the tire once while I have done it for 20. They can’t walk with weight on their backs. They don’t have grip strength. The list goes on.

That has nothing to do with there “depletion” or level of bodyfat. It has to do with strength and technique. They don’t have it when it comes to nearly every event in strongman.

Your comment about as long as they trained for it you think they would do quite well? Maybe in certain events. But again, most bodybuilders just aren’t built for events nor have they developed the core strength needed for many events. Being 5’8 also hinders you.

If you’re a bodybuilder and don’t believe me, why don’t you go try out strongman. If you’re in Phoenix, you have a free invite to come over and train with me.[/quote]

I didn’t say they would do well right away, they would have to train for it.

Did you flip the tire 20 times the first time you tried?

Get the 275 pound guy training for it for a few months and I’ll bet he can flip the tire more than once.

I am neither a bodybuilder nor a strongman. I am a retarded (retired) rugby player who merely lifts to keep fit.

At 6’ 195# with a bum knee and a wrist that is really bothering me I don’t think strongman is my event but I appreciate the invite.

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[quote]baretta wrote:
look at me, i compete in strong man competitions so therefore i am awesome. I am stronger than ronnie and therefore i am a better person. If i wanted, with all my muscle mass, i could do very well in body building, but ronnie, 8 time mr. olympia can’t do any strong man stuff because body builders are weak.

just reiterating your own words.
give respect where respect is due. ronnie doesn’t do any strong man competitions but to say he is weak is just plain foolish. if he trained for it, like you mentioned you have, then I would guess he would do better than average, given his strength levels as a “non functional” bodybuilder.[/quote]

Reiterating my words? Are you sure?

Where did I say I was awesome? I didn’t.

Where did I say I was stronger than Ronnie? I didn’t.

Where did I say I could well in bodybuilding? I didn’t.

Where did I call Ronnie weak? I didn’t.

You sure do have a jealousy or reading issue.

I don’t give a flying shit what you COULD do. It’s about what CAN do right now. And the fact is most bodybuilders would suck at strongman. Just as most strongman would suck at bodybuilding.

Isn’t that common sense?

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
The whole argument is what they can do in the moment, not how they would do if you gave them years to train. [/quote]

That’s an argument? I think what pisses some of you off more than anything is that bodybuilders like Ronnie and Johnnie Jackson are showing quite well that their strength could put some guys who claim to be “powerlifters” to shame. Johnnie Jackson does compete in powerlifting contests and as a bodybuilder. Is this an issue for you? He is obviously doing it “in the moment” so what argument do you have? It doesn’t look like you have one at all.

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Johhnie Jackson at the IRONZONE
deadlifting Championships in Orlando FL on 30 Apr and 1 May 2004.

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In bodybuilding pre-contest mode, Johnnie deadlifted 804 pounds, before going on to compete in the 2004 Night of Champions.

Of course, none of this counts because he is a “bodybuilder” and surely soemone will now post that since there may a “powerlifter” who can do more, this means it doesn’t count.

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No idea why he’d waste his time with strongman. It’d be like banging Jessica Alba and then deciding he needs to hit the toothless cigarette-smoking fat Waffle House waitress. The dude has a $5000 appearance fee. No financial reason to risk the inevitable bicep tears that come with strongman.

And Mikey J. can’t pull 750 from the floor. Maybe with straps. :slight_smile:

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This post makes little sense. You are basically implying that as a rule bodybuilders in general couldn’t stop “bodybuilding”, train for a few years in powerlifting and do well? That’s stupid. Stop typing.

We get it, you are a powerlifter. God forbid some ex-competitive bodybuilder EVER trains for strongman with an all out effort. This would apparently insult you to no end. They have words for that.

I think you just conceded the argument. Thanks. Haha!

Which is it…bodybuilders could crossover to strongman and do well? Or that it would take a FEW YEARS to crossover? The whole argument is what they can do in the moment, not how they would do if you gave them years to train. Of course they could give up bodybuilding and train strongman and eventually might have success. Who knows really.

The point that I made is that Ronnie couldn’t just take up strongman and do well, with the exception of a few events. It would take YEARS. And he is an exceptional freak, most bodybuilders wouldn’t be able to hold their own on the amateur level.

Why does this upset you guys?[/quote]

I am not upset in the least. I just think you are confusing technique and strength.

Some of those bodybuilders are strong as hell. They may not have the technique to compete in some of the events down but that is not the same as not having the strength.

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Prof X, feel free to use one example here and one example there. Maybe you missed the part where I said “in general”. I am fully aware of Johnnie Jackson. Also, that is powerlifting, which is STATIC lifts, and if you scroll up I mentioned this is one area a few bodybuilders definitely could compete in strength. Again, demonstrating you don’t really know the difference with strongman. Maybe you should keep your mouth shut.

It’s like us strongman using Mariusz to say that stronman are lean and could compete with bodybuilders on stage if we felt like it.

Haha!

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Actually, most strongman are “fat”, relative to bodybuilders. Just like bodybuilders are weak, relative to strongman.

Generalizations and stereotypes exist for a reason. It’s not to say that all strongman are fat or all bodybuilders are weak.

I don’t where ugly and communist comes from. Or the rest of that bs you spouted off.

To throw some more fuel into the fire…

Bodybuilders would suck in strongman. Assuming they could even complete a contest.

Just as strongman would suck in bodybuilding. Assuming they could even fit into a speedo.

[/quote]

Bodybuilders have crossed over and done well before, Sven karlson, eddy ellwood, johnie jackson for powerlifting and am sure their is more. But these guys trained for it.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This post makes little sense. You are basically implying that as a rule bodybuilders in general couldn’t stop “bodybuilding”, train for a few years in powerlifting and do well? That’s stupid. Stop typing.

We get it, you are a powerlifter. God forbid some ex-competitive bodybuilder EVER trains for strongman with an all out effort. This would apparently insult you to no end. They have words for that.

I think you just conceded the argument. Thanks. Haha!

Which is it…bodybuilders could crossover to strongman and do well? Or that it would take a FEW YEARS to crossover? The whole argument is what they can do in the moment, not how they would do if you gave them years to train. Of course they could give up bodybuilding and train strongman and eventually might have success. Who knows really.

The point that I made is that Ronnie couldn’t just take up strongman and do well, with the exception of a few events. It would take YEARS. And he is an exceptional freak, most bodybuilders wouldn’t be able to hold their own on the amateur level.

Why does this upset you guys?

I am not upset in the least. I just think you are confusing technique and strength.

Some of those bodybuilders are strong as hell. They may not have the technique to compete in some of the events down but that is not the same as not having the strength.[/quote]

This is a good post coudn’t agree with it anymore.

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:

It’s like us strongman using Mariusz to say that stronman are lean and could compete with bodybuilders on stage if we felt like it.

Haha![/quote]

No, it is more like saying there is no way most “strongmen” couldn’t lean down and compete. You really don’t have a point. Even most bodybuilders have to drop weight for contests. The average weight lost is 40-60lbs in 4 months. Even BODYBUILDERS don’t walk around in constant contest condition so your comparisons don’t work. If a powerlifter could diet down and compete, then a bodybuilder could train and do well in strongman comps.

Maybe it makes you feel better to think your particular sport is untouchable.