Riding the Line Between BBing & PLing

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Lactic acid buildup getting too high after 6 reps, that me made laugh.

Then my forearms started burning from typing more than a 3 words, so yeah, touche Jesus.

My lower rep strength has gone way up in the last 2 years, but anything over 8 reps has stayed almost the same… Mostly because I keel over dead if I try to do more…

Here’s one to brighten your day: I used to do incline offset curls during my DC days for 15-30 reps rest-paused (so like 15+9+4)… I recently tried just hitting a 12 rep set with something like 60-70 percent of my old working weight and not only did it hurt like hell, I started feeling weak as shit after 8-9 reps… Literally couldn’t bend my elbows anymore after that, what the hell?

Burned all the way to the shoulders… Those were just goddamn curls!

Haven’t done much back squatting in a while because it used to bother the rear part of my shoulders (got posterior tightness or something, and that would also fuck up all my pressing so I just ditched the squats)… All front-squatting and hack machine plus sumo DL’s for 2 years now.

So trying to squat again for real a few days ago my shoulders felt fine (wrists hated it of course, forgot my wraps because I hadn’t needed them in ages), but I must have been standing on an invisible bosu ball because I was wobbly as fuck… Knees moving around like crazy, couldn’t find the right stance etc…

Never managed more than 4-5 reps per set before I got winded haha

Maybe I need to try some of Alhpa (the guy, not the t-cell) 's barbell complexes for a bit… I hate cardio.

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i feel your pain. light weights for high reps are fine but it’s the moderate weight for high reps that shows just how much i’ve neglected that aspect of lifting. it’s like you hit a wall and everything just shuts down. i guess i just need to build up that endurance threshold again. hopefully it will come back quickly.

are we ever going to get to see any vids of the legendary CC??:slight_smile:

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[quote]htargett wrote:
Does your beard increase your awesomeness? I have heard Wendler talk about this.[/quote]

i figured when you look in the dictionary under awesome you see a pic of a dude with a beard.

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In honor of his threads, I have commissioned a marble fountain in the image of Maraudermeat front squatting.

Of course, in the sculpture, he’s at the bottom of the squat. I won’t say which orifices the water spurts forth from …

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]htargett wrote:
Does your beard increase your awesomeness? I have heard Wendler talk about this.[/quote]

i figured when you look in the dictionary under awesome you see a pic of a dude with a beard.
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For reals? :wink:

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
In honor of his threads, I have commissioned a marble fountain in the image of Maraudermeat front squatting.

Of course, in the sculpture, he’s at the bottom of the squat. I won’t say which orifices the water spurts forth from …[/quote]

This was my first laugh for the day. Good job, Steely.

In my efforts to see what all I am capable of, I decided to start targeting my arms, as well. They are pretty large without doing any direct arm work, however, after doing tri’s one day, I realized just how weak endurance-wise they are. I’m not even going to address my bi’s. I’ll use the word “humbling” again. This path is going to be all kinds of interesting.

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International Bench Night-

switched things up and went with board presses for this next cycle. i wanted to make these as hard as possible so i went with no lift off, feet up (no leg drive), no stretch reflex (long pause) and totally deloading on the board and letting my air out. these will definitely build power through the midrange to lockout.

4 board press
135x6
225x4
315x4
405x4
455x3

495x2- i slid a bit on the second rep. you can see dave moving really fast to the bar but he kept videoing:)

paused bench- competition pause with commands
135x1
225x1
315x1
405x1
445x1

dips
BW x 6
BW +45 X 6
BW +135 X 6
BW +225 x 3- felt really strong but at the top of the 3 rep i ran out of oxygen really fast and came really close to passing out. everything started to sway back and forth really fast. it’s amazing how fast you burn through oxygen when you are going all out.

behind the back wrist curls
some x some

seated calf raises
some x some

i knew i forgot something tonight… i forgot to do my rep set with 315…damn.

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Meat, damn man, you’re movin’ serious weight! Keep up the good work!

…oh and by the way, how’d you get your dip belt to accmodate all those plates, a longer chain?

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Haha, what a funny coincidence you mention almost passing out. I was doing dips today with only 2 plates and almost passed out on the first rep, regrouped and the same damn thing happened on the second. Decided to try dips out for the first time in awhile because of this log and the strength one in the powerlifting forum.

But damn only 2 plates felt like a ton, way to go dude.

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[quote]Seize wrote:
Meat, damn man, you’re movin’ serious weight! Keep up the good work!

…oh and by the way, how’d you get your dip belt to accmodate all those plates, a longer chain?[/quote]

thanks hoss!!

it’s just a cheap ass ghetto belt we have at the gym. i think i could get up to 7 plates on it but it’s only made out of nylon so at some point it’s going to break.

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[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:
Haha, what a funny coincidence you mention almost passing out. I was doing dips today with only 2 plates and almost passed out on the first rep, regrouped and the same damn thing happened on the second. Decided to try dips out for the first time in awhile because of this log and the strength one in the powerlifting forum.

But damn only 2 plates felt like a ton, way to go dude. [/quote]

i’ve gotten really good at catching myself right before i pass out. i hate that feeling though… it’s like being thrown on a boat in rough water. everything is moving back and forth really fast.

if there are two lifts everyone should be doing as accessory work to a big bench, i would have to say bent over barbell rows and dips would have to be it. each should be done with very heavy weight. i also believe that one’s bent over barbell row should match or at least be close to their bench press max.

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I’ve always heard that close-grip bench is the number one accessory for raw benchers, but I don’t recall seeing you ever do them. Do you prefer board presses/band presses and dips for your triceps?

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[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
I’ve always heard that close-grip bench is the number one accessory for raw benchers, but I don’t recall seeing you ever do them. Do you prefer board presses/band presses and dips for your triceps?[/quote]

i find that movements that allow for supramaximal weights to be the best movements. i’m not a big fan of close grip. i like to keep my grip as close to competition as possible. changing my grip changes my bar path and thus my form. i like to keep it all as close to the same as possible.

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Meat, I have a problem keeping the bar on my back during back squats; it rolls off. I’m not sure if I just need to add mass to my back. Do you have any favourite movements to thicken up the rhomboids? Thanks.

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[quote]htargett wrote:
Meat, I have a problem keeping the bar on my back during back squats; it rolls off. I’m not sure if I just need to add mass to my back. Do you have any favourite movements to thicken up the rhomboids? Thanks.[/quote]

it actually rolls off?? i squat with a pretty high bar position. what are your arms doing during your squats?? i take a pretty narrow grip and then pull my elbows down and forward to lock the bar into place. plenty of chicks with little to no upper back mass squat fine. it’s probably just how you are holding the bar. do you have any vids of your squat?? i could help more by seeing it.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:
Haha, what a funny coincidence you mention almost passing out. I was doing dips today with only 2 plates and almost passed out on the first rep, regrouped and the same damn thing happened on the second. Decided to try dips out for the first time in awhile because of this log and the strength one in the powerlifting forum.

But damn only 2 plates felt like a ton, way to go dude. [/quote]

i’ve gotten really good at catching myself right before i pass out. i hate that feeling though… it’s like being thrown on a boat in rough water. everything is moving back and forth really fast.

if there are two lifts everyone should be doing as accessory work to a big bench, i would have to say bent over barbell rows and dips would have to be it. each should be done with very heavy weight. i also believe that one’s bent over barbell row should match or at least be close to their bench press max.
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Haha, that is exactly how it felt. It kinda felt like i was floating. This was the closest i’ve ever gotten to unintentionally entering dreamland.

I think i will continue with dips on my first chest day for awhile and see how it goes. I never did them very much due to many shoulder and elbow issues that i had for a long time.

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[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:
Haha, what a funny coincidence you mention almost passing out. I was doing dips today with only 2 plates and almost passed out on the first rep, regrouped and the same damn thing happened on the second. Decided to try dips out for the first time in awhile because of this log and the strength one in the powerlifting forum.

But damn only 2 plates felt like a ton, way to go dude. [/quote]

i’ve gotten really good at catching myself right before i pass out. i hate that feeling though… it’s like being thrown on a boat in rough water. everything is moving back and forth really fast.

if there are two lifts everyone should be doing as accessory work to a big bench, i would have to say bent over barbell rows and dips would have to be it. each should be done with very heavy weight. i also believe that one’s bent over barbell row should match or at least be close to their bench press max.
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Haha, that is exactly how it felt. It kinda felt like i was floating. This was the closest i’ve ever gotten to unintentionally entering dreamland.

I think i will continue with dips on my first chest day for awhile and see how it goes. I never did them very much due to many shoulder and elbow issues that i had for a long time. [/quote]

i find that if you lean way forward it can put a ton of stress on the shoulders and elbows. i try to stay pretty much upright and tuck the elbows.

i’ve had some pretty funny passout gym experiences- the funniest happened one day when i was doing leg press. i had that thing loaded up with close to 1200 pounds and i was pausing it at the bottom. on things like that i can usually judge when i’m going to pass out. my peripheral vision start to narrow until everything is black. well… this time i tried to edge out an extra rep. i apparently got the last rep, racked it, stood up and took two steps and just went face down with arms at my sides. unfortunately i did it in front of some potential clients being escorted through the gym.

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Haha whoops. Do go on with your stories if you would like. Funny gym stories are always fun to hear.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:
Haha, what a funny coincidence you mention almost passing out. I was doing dips today with only 2 plates and almost passed out on the first rep, regrouped and the same damn thing happened on the second. Decided to try dips out for the first time in awhile because of this log and the strength one in the powerlifting forum.

But damn only 2 plates felt like a ton, way to go dude. [/quote]

i’ve gotten really good at catching myself right before i pass out. i hate that feeling though… it’s like being thrown on a boat in rough water. everything is moving back and forth really fast.

if there are two lifts everyone should be doing as accessory work to a big bench, i would have to say bent over barbell rows and dips would have to be it. each should be done with very heavy weight. i also believe that one’s bent over barbell row should match or at least be close to their bench press max.
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Haha, that is exactly how it felt. It kinda felt like i was floating. This was the closest i’ve ever gotten to unintentionally entering dreamland.

I think i will continue with dips on my first chest day for awhile and see how it goes. I never did them very much due to many shoulder and elbow issues that i had for a long time. [/quote]

i find that if you lean way forward it can put a ton of stress on the shoulders and elbows. i try to stay pretty much upright and tuck the elbows.

i’ve had some pretty funny passout gym experiences- the funniest happened one day when i was doing leg press. i had that thing loaded up with close to 1200 pounds and i was pausing it at the bottom. on things like that i can usually judge when i’m going to pass out. my peripheral vision start to narrow until everything is black. well… this time i tried to edge out an extra rep. i apparently got the last rep, racked it, stood up and took two steps and just went face down with arms at my sides. unfortunately i did it in front of some potential clients being escorted through the gym. [/quote]

If I saw that, I would sign up right then and there.

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short one tonight…

decided to give the strict standing military press a go first tonight. i’ve decided to just keep adding 10-15lbs each week until i hit a true max. worked up to 265 tonight. that was 15lbs over last week. still very easy… then moved on to reverse band deads with the medium bands. hit a 30lb PR with these but that left my P chain fried.

standing strict military press
0x10
95x4
135x4
185x4
225x2
265x1 +15lbs from last week

reverse band deads- medium bands
315x4
405x4
495x1
585x1
765x1 +30lb PR

standing calf raise x behind the back wrist curls

some x some

that’s it.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]htargett wrote:
Meat, I have a problem keeping the bar on my back during back squats; it rolls off. I’m not sure if I just need to add mass to my back. Do you have any favourite movements to thicken up the rhomboids? Thanks.[/quote]

it actually rolls off?? i squat with a pretty high bar position. what are your arms doing during your squats?? i take a pretty narrow grip and then pull my elbows down and forward to lock the bar into place. plenty of chicks with little to no upper back mass squat fine. it’s probably just how you are holding the bar. do you have any vids of your squat?? i could help more by seeing it.

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It doesn’t roll off, per se, that was an exaggeration on my part. It just seems like a lot of pressure goes on my wrists and the bar doesn’t seem secure on my back. I will try pulling my elbows down and forward. Thanks Meat :slight_smile: