Trudeau looks more like his mother Margaret.
For lizards, always thought it was hard to beat Mitch.
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Mitch is 100% a turtle. Well known fact.
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Snopes says that you are right.
Iāve been accused of a lot of things-
Being a turtle just happens to be one of them. 
Dude was like ābro!ā And I was like āDude!ā And we were both like "mannnnā¦ 
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I agree. I see the resemblance to his mom.
Pierre Trudeau was a 5ā8". Fidel Castro was 6ā2". Justin Trudeau is 6ā2".
I would continue on about the possibility of a global conspiracy that Trudeau could possibly be connected to, but it is outside the scope of the RFK thread.
Back on-topic. Has anyone heard how much RFK can bench? Has he maxed out recently?
I just looked through a few clips. He was handling 135 like he was warming up. Rough estimate- tripples with 225 if not for a wonky rotator cuff.
Man, Iād love to check her vaxx status
Sheās a bit older than the type of gals I normally go after, but as long as weāre careful about everything I could probably check her vaxx status without endangering her hip or risking some kind of unexpected strain.
I could understand why a guy like Castro would want to score a goal in her hockey net during a chance encounter on an ocean voyage in her prime, if such an unlikely encounter were ever to occur.
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I meant it moreso because I feel like Trudeau is the type of person who regularly uses that one chair in the corner of a hotel room.
But yeah, his mom could get it.
Castro finding out Trudeau was his son would be like when he found out there was a street named after him in San Francisco.
Forgive my confusion, but Iām afraid I might need clarification. Are you looking for references related to the variables I asserted were confounding factors, which was the main portion of my contention? I can provide links demonstrating the single-households per capita statistics, high vaccine compliance, and natural social distancing. The opinion stated was my own, though Iāve heard plenty of experts smarter than I echo it. Are you looking for names? I can also link to reports detailing the restrictions Sweden actually enacted throughout their pandemic response (despite the commonly-accepted notion that they did nothing).
If, however, you were referring to the analyses surrounding the downward trajectory of excess deaths in the years preceding the pandemic (something I admitted might be erroneous and contrasted with plenty of other experts), youāre absolutely right. It was merely a twitter debate that I witnessed between various statistician-types, nothing formal or peer-reviewed. And, like I emphasized in my initial post, some agreed, others didnāt. Iām pretty sure it involved this fella, though this likely isnāt the exact thread:
As far as evidence debating the efficacy of Swedenās measures, these were some of the ones that Iāve encountered over the years:
High excess deaths in Sweden during the first wave of COVID-19: Policy deficiencies or ādry tinderā? - PMC (This one attempts to dispel the notion of ādry tinderā deaths)
How Sweden approached the COVIDā19 pandemic: Summary and commentary on the National Commission Inquiry - PMC (I think this is one of the authors from the paper you posted)
Excess mortality in Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden during the COVID-19 pandemic 2020ā2022 | European Journal of Public Health | Oxford Academic (This one argues that, as far as the comparison of the excess deaths metric amongst Nordic countries, Sweden fared worse initially but improved as the pandemic soldiered on.)
Feel free to cross-reference by simply checking the numbers up to April 2024 at the link you already posted:
It might also be worth noting that the article you linked acknowledged that Sweden technically fared worse with respect to excess deaths:
"The excess mortality in Sweden was thus higher than that in the three neighboring Nordic countries (2, 3, and 26/100,000), partly explained by a higher initial COVID-19 transmission (replication rate) ā¦"
Iām certainly willing to concede, however, that the article was simply pointing out that a thorough appraisal of mitigation measures will need to weigh a multitude of factors that might be worth giving up a few extra deaths in the end. I certainly donāt disagree with this. Nonetheless, I still stand by my initial claim that confounders minimize the value we can obtain by studying Swedenās protocols.
As I said before.
And I posted that link from worldometers to show how āstatisticsā about Covid can lie, lie, lie, because according to that site, China had 4 deaths per million LOLLL.
Except that wasnāt your āonly opinion,ā otherwise you wouldnāt have posted the link to the paper concerning Sweden. Btw, where do you think the researchers in that paper got those numbers? Should their analysis be trusted despite what you contend are faulty statistics underlying the work? You seemed to think so.
Yes, but we can agree that the CCPās numbers are not to trusted without throwing out a sizable portion of our epistemological foundation. Are Norway, Iceland, Finland, and Denmark all lying, while Sweden is the only one not in on the deception? Or, can we not trust Sweden, either? Perhaps Tegnellās claims are as durable as a coffee table from IKEA.
Nuance doesnāt have to be our enemy.
Might this have been of a piece with the old notion that building muscle would be counterproductive to athletic improvement? I mean, itās obviously wrong, and Iām not trying to argue to the contrary. Iām simply wondering whether that was the rationale behind their declaration.
I remember all of my older boxing coaches cautioning me against weight lifting since I might become āmuscleboundā and that would slow me down. I always knew it was bullshit, but it was the received wisdom until the last few decades. Hell, I can even recall baseball pundits in the late 80s warning that guys like Julio Franco, accused of juicing, were gonna disrupt the mechanics of their swing and ruin their careers.
Sure, people in some of the āpure athleticā sports of track & field, weightlifting, etc. might have kicked up a fuss concerning competitors on gear, but perhaps the āexpertsā at CIBA were echoing the sentiments mentioned above that related to this (clearly false) notion of losing skill at the mechanics involved in certain sports.
Thatās the only guess I have, at least.
The warning came from the Physician Desk Reference authors. It was not a warning from CIBA. The exact same warning is included in their information on:
- Anavar
- Anadrol-50
- Winstrol
- Halotestin
- Durabolin
- Deca Durabolin
This is an example of the ābest scienceā of that time. The PDR was a reference for doctors to have when prescribing medication for their patients.
Also did you know when the ābest scienceā was to avoid butter and use margarine?
How is this wrong?
Try to be more nuanced, you simpleton.
I think he lacks nuance. Weāre talking about health, nutrition, meds, science, etc. Specificity should be expected. You canāt separate protocols from goals.
Whoops, youāre right. Sorry. I meant āPDR,ā not āCIBA.ā Either way, I donāt think it materially changes the gist of what I was contending. To be clear, Iām definitely not arguing that they were correct with respect to steroids not enhancing athletic ability. Iām simply wondering whether that declaration stemmed from the widespread notion at the time that building muscle would be counterproductive to athletic improvement.
Actually, I see that you beat me to it and posited the same possibility in your original post (unless you were being sarcastic) when you wrote:
So yeah, I guess Iām more or less agreeing that that couldāve been the reasoning, although perhaps it was more the concern with becoming āmuscleboundā along with strong.
It seems the general consensus these days is that an adequately programmed weight lifting routine can be a portion of a comprehensive strength and conditioning protocol designed to make fighters stronger, more explosive, more resilient, and able to sustain their power output for longer. These days, many (most?) boxers and mma fighters employ strength and conditioning coaches and usually lift weights some of the time. At least, thatās what Iāve come across. The older coaches who warned that weight lifting will invariably make a fighter stiff and musclebound have largely fallen to the wayside (although, many just expired). Personally, I always felt that lifting weights helped improve my game, but perhaps that was just a case of n=1 and was a placebo effect.
Perhaps those old-timers will be proved correct at some point; but, I doubt it.