What is a respectable weight for a 170 34y/o man. What is a good goal for me. I would like to be able to do 135 someday. I can do 95 now.
i have been doing these for a couple of weeks now and really like them.
thanks for the great articles Coach Davies.
Coach, I would like some stats on your athletes performance in the one arm DB snatch. I’ve done 112 1/4 and there is a football player here who has done 129 1/2 @ age 16. That’s the gym record, but we mostly work with athletes under 18. I heard the all-time record is 225 by John Grimek. What are some records and the levels Renegades should be aiming for.
The record was 255 by Charles Rigoulot for the longest time until Vasily Alexeev injured one of his arms. One of the judges knew how to judge a 1-arm snatch, so he asked for a weight just under 260lbs (can’t remember how many kg) & snatched it with his good arm. I think bodyweight is a really good 1-arm snatch, not very many guys can do that.
Just to confirm: Are you talking dumbell or barbell, because there will be a big difference?
I’d like to know each, both one arm barbell and db what are some good goals to strive for?
Thanks
Will
Some of my athletes have put up substantial numbers but please note the focus is how it enhances are performance in competition not weight-room numbers. For instance with lift (whether barbell or dumbell), I want to see a consistant pattern of movement from either side, bar-speed and lift from the ground with strong foot contact. Keep up the great work and if you have any questions please feel free to ask. In faith, Coach Davies
Are you looking to improve your strength and coordination for sports or is this just a goal for a senseless lift. There are some studies touting the benefits of some olympic lifts, but when it comes to increasing strength and or speed they are a waste. Most studies concerning weight training are questionably bias and unreliable. Athletes always respond better to the basic lifts. If your goal is gaining muscle, than you’re really off target.
MF that is the dumbest fucking post I have ever read, in fact we are all less intelligent for simply having read it. Oly lifts don’t increase strength?? Where are you coming from on that? Keep up the good work dumb-ass, meanwhile the competition will destroy you.
I think MF is one of those ‘armchair theorists’ that Brooks Kubik can’t stand. Maybe he can explain how John Davis deadlifted 705 without hardly doing any deadlifts, only years of snatches and clean & jerks.
MF is very much correct. The Olympic lifts can have benefits for you, but like any other lift, you are unlikely to make gains unless you can lift at a high intensity. Because of the excellent technique required to be able to do this, most people probably will not benefit from doing them. Just pulling out some random numbers here, but many people probably have the strength potential to perform a 200 pound snatch, but due to technical inexperience, your ‘max’ might only be something like 140 pounds. Of course you could invest in the time to perfect these lifts, but this kind of time could be spent working on things like a bigger squat or deadlift which will give you a direct benefit on the sports field. The major benefit I see for regular athletes to use Olympic lifts is to teach an athlete to use triple extension or to improve his coordination.
More on this: it helps if you think of the Olympic lifts as a sport in themselves. We’re not just ‘throwing up the weight’ here. A Clean & Jerk is a highly complex movement, try to think of it as a separate sport like throwing a discus. Are Olympic lifters as strong as they are because of the fact they do lots of Olympic lifts? Or is it because of their strength from doing many heavy front squats and deadlifts (basic powerlifts) in training?
Should we think of squating, deadlifting and benchpressing as a sport because those are the 3 lifts found in powerlifting?
I think you guys might be confusing limit strength and speed strength. I see your point with the oly. lifts being hard to learn, but most of the programs for sport I have seen are use the power snatch/clean and various explosive pulls, mostly from the hang which are relativly easy to learn.
will
Gotta agree with Will42 here. Most athletes use variations of the classic Olympic lifts, usually power versions from the hang. These variations require much less technical expertise, not to mention less flexibility. And believe it or not, they’re actually better for generating power than the classic Olympic lifts, which is why they’re called power snatches and power cleans… sure, you use less weight, but you have to receive the bar higher, which requires an overall high power output. Of course you can’t live on Olympic lifts alone, and they’re certainly not a solution to everything - otherwise all any athlete would have to do is power clean. You’ve gotta squat! But, Olympic lifts are definitely worthwhile to include in a training program. 1-arm variations, such as the barbell snatch, are great for building explosiveness and core stability. Give the full snatch version a try, butt-to-heels - brutal! As far as doing the lift for the sake of seeing how much weight you can haul up… well… why not? It simply depends on your goals. If your goal is to see how much you can haul up on a 1-arm barbell snatch, then more power to you.
Can anyone answer my question? How could someone deadlift 705 by doing olympic lifts non-stop?
MF, we haven’t heard back from you but will give you some time to rethink your post. Correct me if Im wrong but according to what you’re saying all an athlete needs is the core lifts?? If so then why not are strictly powerlifters of the likes of Dave Tate and Ed Coan setting all kinds of records in the NFL. Whatta dumb ass!
John Daves could do a 700#+ deadlift because he did more than cleans and snatches. He did high pulls, power rack pulls and get this box pulls (this is where the lifter stands on a box so the bar is lower than normal and does his pulling[it can also be done by using 35# plates or 25# plates instead of 45# plates). He was plenty strong in pulling because all three lifts he practiced involved pulling.
Radical difference from someone using O-Lift hybrids for training as opposed to the classic lift for competition, from every concern of training, application and of course comparison. In faith, Coach Davies
That sort of deadlift doesn’t surprise me, look at the speed/weight OL’ers use when doing their lifts, as mentioned earlier deads are technically a lot easier and they are only going part the way compared to a clean or snatch. I have certainly got a lot more impressed with OLers since starting weight training myself, the weights they get overhead are scary!
Back to topic I don’t care what’s better for sports, Olympic lifting, powerlifting or the Nautilus circuit. All I wanted to know was the record for the ONE ARM DUMBBELL SNATCH, and i wanted some standards. Why? Because it will add muscle or help my sports performance? NO. I don’t care about that. I just want to be good at the one-arm dumbbell snatch. And to Say, the one person who had something informative to say, thank you and where did you read about Alexeev’s one-armed snatch of 260. Just wanted to find out more information. Thank you.