Recovery Tights

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STB

Yes nothing like a bit o’ nerdom to counter a dose of unedumacated avian flu 8^>

I also have found them quite useful in reducing the perception of DOMS. Interestingly a lot of the studies don’t necessarily see a (statistically) significant reducing in the biochemical markers of damage (CK levels etc) so perhaps the reduced DOMS effect is due to some other pathway.

Perhaps the constant pressure of the garments reduces the sensitivity of the nocioceptors in the muscles, kind of like squeezing your thumb after hitting it with a hammer to distract from the actual pain?

Under Armour has a video of Bill Kraemer summarising the research on the benefits of compression garments if you care to search.

BTW just watched your meet videos, very impressive and find your blog to be most amusing and (unfortunately) highly accurate.

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Scam scam scam scam.

Will someone else please confirm my diagnosis. Its a scam for sure.
Im sure if you look you can find studies that they dont do much in terms of muscle recovery etc etc.
Have you checked to see who sponsored the above studies??

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Bill Kraemers video on benefits of compression wear

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keeping the muscle still?
it felt really good?
power indurance?
repetitive power?

Oh please. You can not be serious.

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[quote]theBird wrote:
Scam scam scam scam.

Will someone else please confirm my diagnosis. Its a scam for sure.
Im sure if you look you can find studies that they dont do much in terms of muscle recovery etc etc.
Have you checked to see who sponsored the above studies??

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Compression is very well established to reduce inflammation.
Inflammation is inhibitory to recovery.
It’s a very simple concept. Nothing about it is a scam.
Like anything else there will be hype to it. Advertisers need to push their product.
For some people this sort of thing might be majoring in the minors. But it does make a difference.

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[quote]theBird wrote:
Scam scam scam scam.

Will someone else please confirm my diagnosis. Its a scam for sure.
Im sure if you look you can find studies that they dont do much in terms of muscle recovery etc etc.
Have you checked to see who sponsored the above studies??

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There are COUNTLESS references to using compression to speed recovery in old training texts. This is nothing new. Its fine to be skeptical but, like I said, this has been done by many strong people for a very long time.

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[quote]theBird wrote:
Scam scam scam scam.

Will someone else please confirm my diagnosis. Its a scam for sure.
Im sure if you look you can find studies that they dont do much in terms of muscle recovery etc etc.
Have you checked to see who sponsored the above studies??

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Go be retarded in other parts of the forums. Powerlifting section is not for your idiotic bullshit and tweets.

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[quote]Huge Marto wrote:
Bill Kraemers video on benefits of compression wear[/quote]
I think the under armor video posted was about as none scientific as you can make a video citing “scientific studies.” Improvements in proprioception? Vs. not wearing anything? or wearing a t-shirt?

“may potentially help recovery if worn at the proper time”
^This^ quote is pointless. Coca Cola could say that about drinking a can of soda after you exercise.

As for the journals that were attached, those were subjective too.
For instance, in this one: http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n1/12/v5n1-12pdf.pdf
The subjects wore tights with one leg cut off. Then after 1 hour and 48 hours they were asked to give feedback about muscle soreness, etc. It is imposable to run a double blind or even blind study if the subject knows which leg is the control. It hardly makes this study useful.

I don’t think the whole thing is a scam but I do think companies are charging a lot of money for something that “may Potentially help recovery if worn at the proper time.”

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[quote]JLone wrote:

[quote]Huge Marto wrote:
Bill Kraemers video on benefits of compression wear[/quote]
I think the under armor video posted was about as none scientific as you can make a video citing “scientific studies.” Improvements in proprioception? Vs. not wearing anything? or wearing a t-shirt?

“may potentially help recovery if worn at the proper time”
^This^ quote is pointless. Coca Cola could say that about drinking a can of soda after you exercise.

As for the journals that were attached, those were subjective too.
For instance, in this one: http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n1/12/v5n1-12pdf.pdf
The subjects wore tights with one leg cut off. Then after 1 hour and 48 hours they were asked to give feedback about muscle soreness, etc. It is imposable to run a double blind or even blind study if the subject knows which leg is the control. It hardly makes this study useful.

I don’t think the whole thing is a scam but I do think companies are charging a lot of money for something that “may Potentially help recovery if worn at the proper time.” [/quote]

What? The whole point of training for something and being competetive in ANYTHING is timing. Timing of training, eating, recovery work, sleep, etc. is all planned out in order to maximize performance in competition.

Thats what I am referring too. Performance. Not bullshit, unfounded opinions. You don’t have to go buy something expensive from some company. You don’t even have to utilize these methods if you don’t want to. This, and many other recovery methods (which like this one, have been proven to be effective) are used by very strong people in order to help them get stronger. Speaking from personal experience, compression at the right time helps tremendously.

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[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]JLone wrote:

[quote]Huge Marto wrote:
Bill Kraemers video on benefits of compression wear[/quote]
I think the under armor video posted was about as none scientific as you can make a video citing “scientific studies.” Improvements in proprioception? Vs. not wearing anything? or wearing a t-shirt?

“may potentially help recovery if worn at the proper time”
^This^ quote is pointless. Coca Cola could say that about drinking a can of soda after you exercise.

As for the journals that were attached, those were subjective too.
For instance, in this one: http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n1/12/v5n1-12pdf.pdf
The subjects wore tights with one leg cut off. Then after 1 hour and 48 hours they were asked to give feedback about muscle soreness, etc. It is imposable to run a double blind or even blind study if the subject knows which leg is the control. It hardly makes this study useful.

I don’t think the whole thing is a scam but I do think companies are charging a lot of money for something that “may Potentially help recovery if worn at the proper time.” [/quote]

What? The whole point of training for something and being competetive in ANYTHING is timing. Timing of training, eating, recovery work, sleep, etc. is all planned out in order to maximize performance in competition.

Thats what I am referring too. Performance. Not bullshit, unfounded opinions. You don’t have to go buy something expensive from some company. You don’t even have to utilize these methods if you don’t want to. This, and many other recovery methods (which like this one, have been proven to be effective) are used by very strong people in order to help them get stronger. Speaking from personal experience, compression at the right time helps tremendously.[/quote]
I have read your post a couple times and can’t make up my mind.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

I feel like we covered almost the same points.
No one is saying compression doesn’t work it is recommended for almost every athletic injury.

I simply analyzed the data and I commented on it as lacking real substance. I only did that because people will read a journal/paper that says “compression leggins may help alleviate DOMS and aid in recovery”, then go spout off about how it is a proven fact.

It is not proven it “compression tights MAY POTENTIALLY aid in recovery” To say more then that based on the research design is to misinterpreted information. If you personally like it that’s great I may even give it a try but saying it works because you know really strong guys that use it?
Your better than that.

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[quote]JLone wrote:

[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]JLone wrote:

[quote]Huge Marto wrote:
Bill Kraemers video on benefits of compression wear[/quote]
I think the under armor video posted was about as none scientific as you can make a video citing “scientific studies.” Improvements in proprioception? Vs. not wearing anything? or wearing a t-shirt?

“may potentially help recovery if worn at the proper time”
^This^ quote is pointless. Coca Cola could say that about drinking a can of soda after you exercise.

As for the journals that were attached, those were subjective too.
For instance, in this one: http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n1/12/v5n1-12pdf.pdf
The subjects wore tights with one leg cut off. Then after 1 hour and 48 hours they were asked to give feedback about muscle soreness, etc. It is imposable to run a double blind or even blind study if the subject knows which leg is the control. It hardly makes this study useful.

I don’t think the whole thing is a scam but I do think companies are charging a lot of money for something that “may Potentially help recovery if worn at the proper time.” [/quote]

What? The whole point of training for something and being competetive in ANYTHING is timing. Timing of training, eating, recovery work, sleep, etc. is all planned out in order to maximize performance in competition.

Thats what I am referring too. Performance. Not bullshit, unfounded opinions. You don’t have to go buy something expensive from some company. You don’t even have to utilize these methods if you don’t want to. This, and many other recovery methods (which like this one, have been proven to be effective) are used by very strong people in order to help them get stronger. Speaking from personal experience, compression at the right time helps tremendously.[/quote]
I have read your post a couple times and can’t make up my mind.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

I feel like we covered almost the same points.
No one is saying compression doesn’t work it is recommended for almost every athletic injury.

I simply analyzed the data and I commented on it as lacking real substance. I only did that because people will read a journal/paper that says “compression leggins may help alleviate DOMS and aid in recovery”, then go spout off about how it is a proven fact.

It is not proven it “compression tights MAY POTENTIALLY aid in recovery” To say more then that based on the research design is to misinterpreted information. If you personally like it that’s great I may even give it a try but saying it works because you know really strong guys that use it?
Your better than that.[/quote]

First off, I don’t appreciate being told I am better than anything. I am complete shit in real life so that statement is completely false.

I am a fan of research. I am a fan of what works in practical application as well. Compression for recovery purposes has been shown to be effective in both settings. The studies that were listed on here are not every single study done on compression clothing. A few lousy research conditions don’t speak for all of them. There is still stuff that comes out that says protein ingestion “may” help with recovery.

When I say ‘strong guys’ I don’t mean washed up meatheads you see jerking around at every Gold’s Gym on Earth, I mean the guys who wrote the orignal books on training and recovery. Compression is mentioned a lot in Supertraining, Science and Practice, and in every sports recovery book written since people started writing them.

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[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Go be retarded in other parts of the forums. Powerlifting section is not for your idiotic bullshit and tweets. [/quote]

I actually think the powerlifting forum is the hidden gem of T-Nation.
And why dont you either make constructive comments or atleast relavent comments rather than your try-hard insult dribble.

Tonight I will commence an experiment of wearing my full legged skins for 2 weeks and I will try and make an un-biased report on my findings.

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If inhibiting inflammation is key, why not take ibuprofen around the clock? Sure elimination of ‘waste products’ sounds like a great idea, what about compression affecting arterial blood flow? Would not preventing the delivery of post workout nutritrion be detrimental?

I would like to see the NOS supporters and the compression supporters duke this out.

beef

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[quote]beefcakemdphd wrote:
If inhibiting inflammation is key, why not take ibuprofen around the clock? Sure elimination of ‘waste products’ sounds like a great idea, what about compression affecting arterial blood flow? Would not preventing the delivery of post workout nutritrion be detrimental?

I would like to see the NOS supporters and the compression supporters duke this out.

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I’m by no means an expert, but arteries being deeper than veins I can’t see the amount of compression these garments provide to be enough to inhibit arterial blood flow.

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[quote]beefcakemdphd wrote:
If inhibiting inflammation is key, why not take ibuprofen around the clock? Sure elimination of ‘waste products’ sounds like a great idea, what about compression affecting arterial blood flow? Would not preventing the delivery of post workout nutritrion be detrimental?

I would like to see the NOS supporters and the compression supporters duke this out.

beef[/quote]

Excessive intake of NSAIDs can seriously fuck up your gastrointestinal system. I remember writing a short paper on it for one of the classes I had to take to get my coaching authorization. I don’t remember the exact statistic, but excessive NSAID use contributes to a very high percentage of ER trips for elderly people.

Kids on my high school football team would take like 6-7 full strength ibuprofen before games. I guess they thought it would make them able to play through the pain or something. It’s ridiculous.

Then again, I guess you could have just been being sarcastic.

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I wear compression all the time, and it definitely makes a difference in recovery time

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Yes. Sarcasm. That is my method of teaching. The Sarcastic Method. In my brief review of the abstracts. By no means are they conclusive.

Beef

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Even in the medical field. The use of NSAIDS post operatively is controversial. Some of the surgeons believe the NSAIDS impair wound healing. There also is some thought that it retards full anabolic response after working out.

beef

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Hey storm. Where can I get a suit? I looked on the under armour site. And all they had was medium. That sure as fuck will not fit! Lol Abby suggestions?

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[quote]beefcakemdphd wrote:
Even in the medical field. The use of NSAIDS post operatively is controversial. Some of the surgeons believe the NSAIDS impair wound healing. There also is some thought that it retards full anabolic response after working out.

beef[/quote]

NSAIDS inhibit the effect of prostaglandins. These help with cell growth and repair, help regulate calcium movement, and do all kinds of shit for hormone regulation. So, they are stupid.