If by “experiences” you mean Exercise Science major of the year and collegiate cheerleader then you are probably right!
As a former exercise science major I know all to well that the degree doesn’t mean a thing. I even went to a University on the NSCA’s “approved curriculum” list. As a current medical student I can assure you that the “science” in exercise science is a joke.
I was in correspondance with Westside Barbell members before you probably ever heard of Louie Simmons.
I have no doubt that you are a great athlete. I also have no doubt that you are very well read on the subject of strength and conditioning, and most certainly have talked with many great coaches and athletes on the subject.
I do think your pride outweighs your knowledge as you simplistically scoff at ideas you don’t truly understand. It is as if the subject is not truly worth discussing if Goldberg doesn’t approve of it.
The statement of mine that angered you was most certainly about the management of powerlifting training vs. other sports. I’m sure you probably understand the difference on some academic level, I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that. I must ask though what sports you have competed in post-High School that demand a high level of training variable management? Intramurals sports don’t count in this! As a former National class discus thrower I understand this situation on an intimate level. As a thrower you train 20-30 hours a week and juggle a myriad of training modalities that are often in competition with each other (eg. the timing of weight training with throwing sessions to insure maximal nervous system recovery so that proper technique can be performed). In this situation you better believe that having a handle on your recovery status is very important. At that level no routine is set in stone, in fact it is quite fluid depending on the athletes current training state. It is not a matter of laziness and not wanting to train, but a matter of maximizing the effectiveness of the program so that one can perform well weekend after weekend while hitting the best performance of the year at the championship meet.
Goldberg, since you do have a lot of experience and knowledge I think a dialogue on this subject could be beneficial. If instead you choose to respond with a sarcastic one-liner then that is your perogative.
This post has taken up too much of my time and I have to get back to my reading about the documentary hypothesis.
Yup…you’re right on about discus training. Even though I was just a high school discus thrower, I started taking it seriously (which made me improve a lot). If you feel like shit, you’re not going to accomplish much by throwing that day. It’s best to accept that it’s a bad day, go home, recover, and try again the next day. I’ve had way too many days when I tried to ignore that advice from coaches, and all I did was get pissed off and sore (cause you end up throwing too much by thinking “just one good one and I’m done”). I can imagine this would be true for many other sports where technique is the main thing.
Sometimes there really are “off” days where you should just recover.
Love the bed Goldberg. My lifts are up, I feel better, Speed squats are up, speed bench is up, and metal gear rocks. Get the briefs man them and the suit will shoot your squat over 8. I’m thinking big myself.
MD2006- I think you do underestimate Goldberg. He doesn’t really care about nutrition, yes, but it doesn’t truly matter to powerlifters. Being a cheerleader takes tons of practice and work, and it is some hard shit. I was my high school mascot, and doing some of that shit was hard as hell. I got to watch my alma mater’s cheerleaders train before, and they are brutal. Most of them were bigger than our football players. So yes, collegiate cheerleading does take a lot of effort and training.
Yes, I do agree that exercise science does not contain a lot of science. I’ve casually spoken with a lot of exercise science majors, and they are blown away by the stuff I know about exercise. It’s ridiculous how little they know (no offense Goldberg, just the people I’ve talked to). Now, a Physical Therapist is someone I’d talk to about exercise, not a doctor. Every doc I’ve talked to about exercise is a fucking idiot (no offense irondoc, DocT et. al.) They all think high protein is bad, deads and squats are bad for you, etc. The lack of knowledge in the medical profession is ridiculous. It would be nice of you could start a trend.
Cryotherapy is nice, but when I want to really get rid of the soreness I head down to the feed store, get me a big ol’ bottle of DMSO, and apply it liberally to the affected area. Then I just spritz a bunch of distilled water on the site and watch it dissapear into my skin. Garlic breath sucks, but I swear this method has helped me a lot. Don’t try this at home, unless you know what you’re doing.
My statement to Goldberg about being an exercise science major and college cheerleader was just a joke. I really didn’t do a good job conveying that. I’m not a big fan of the large volume of sarcastic remarks on these forums, so I should not have done it myself. I apologize for that and any personal attacks on my part.
Essentially my argument is this. When training for sports the day to day management of training intensity and volume in relation to the current recovery state becomes more important as several factors change.
The level of the athlete. The Russians and East Germans had a system of classifying athletes. Training routines at lower levels were more structured and set in stone. As an athlete increased in ability they become more fluid. The ultimate example of this would be the 2 years I trained alongside 1992 Olympic discus gold medalist Romas Ubartas. He had no real program or plan, but had trained for so long that he knew his body and knew what he had to do on a day to day basis in order to get back to peak condition. This is why comparing experience in intramural sports with an Olympian is comparing apples and oranges.
Number of training modalities. A Westside style powerlifter will lift weights and do sled pulling. Under the umbrella of lifting weights there is a very large variety of methods and exercises but it is still lifting weight. A track and field thrower (I am using this an an example because this is where my experience lies) will lift weights, sprint, do plyometrics, throw medicine balls, run middle distances during the early preparation period, do balance training, do hurdle drills, dynamic mobility drills, technique drills without implements, and of course the most important thing lots of full throws with the competetive implement. All of these exercises are necessary for the development of the complete thrower but they are all also in competition for your bodies recovery ability. Weight training and plyometrics tax the nervous system and effect distances thrown and the ability to lay down correct motor patterns. Without them though you will never be powerful enough to throw any further or for that matter strong enough to assume correct throwing positions (a concept that many people fail to grasp). Every training method is essentially in competition with the others and the day to day management of work load and recovery state (determined partially through biological monitoring) becomes so important.
Related to number 2 is the total training duration. It’s just a given that if you have more training modalities that you must perform then you will train longer. Remember most throwers do lifting routines very similar to an olympic lifter or powerlifter, this is on top of all the other training that must be done. Not of the same total volume but many times very close.
Competition schedule. It becomes more important to monitor your training state the more often you compete. Track and field athletes compete every weekend, powerlifters every few months.
Biological monitoring is not the most important means of enhancing recovery ability, but it should also not be dismissed completely.
I should point out that I have nothing against powerlifting, in fact I’m going to start training more like a powerlifter in the future with the hopes of seeing how strong I can actually get. I was not as strong as I could have been in college because more factors than just strength had to be addressed and this took away from strength training. So I’m not knocking it, just pointing out that it’s different than other sports.
How are you in any way qualified to gauge the intelligence of the medical profession?
What did you expect them to say? Go deadlift? By all means! And then, when you fuck something up, you can trash my good name with a malpractice suite! Please, I’m a rich doctor. Ruin my career, take my money.
So they preach moderation. And you respond with obscenities.
A ‘fucking idiot’ one of you may be. I know where I’d cast my vote.