Recomp: Test and NPP (Help Please)

[iambackjack]

@Euphemism2009 I have been weight training for a long time (well over 10 years).

I know my lifts arent that impressive but please remember bjj is counter productive to weight lifting. Fatigues muscles and mind.

I can chin up with 90lbs chained on for reps and do the same with deep dips. Maybe I am just not too gifted at lifting, but at 41 years old and my klifting history I think AAS are needed.

Sorry @Euphemism2009, I just checked your lifts and experience. I dont think you should be giving any advice. I dont mean to be rude or offensive at all, but come on man.

[iambackjack]

@Andrewgen_Receptors am I right thst you think leaning out and lean bulking back is better?

[Euphemism2009]

I don’t post much. Any lifts that I previously posted about have now increased, and even then, don’t warrant compounds.

[blshaw]

@iambackjack

I know my lifts arent that impressive

Your lifts are fine. They are only not impressive because you are 230lbs. They are still novice level lifts, certainly not beginner. I see that as a non issue. PED use is highly personal and you are certainly old enough and experienced enough to make the decision for yourself. I’m not saying I like the plan, just commenting that your lifts are fine.

[s.gentz]

@iambackjack

I think I may have misunderstood what it is to recomp.

My goal is to go from 105kg (230lbs) at around 20% bf to 98kg (215lbs) at around 14% bf.

To achieve this goal I was planning to blast for 16 to 20 weeks. This would allow me to be in a calorie deficit (2,500 calories) to drop bodyfat for around 8 to 10 weeks and then have a similar amount of time to go into a small caloric surplus and lean bulk.

Diet wise, I am eating 3 to 4 solid meals of approx 40g to 50g in protein each and having a whey isolate shake equalling 35g of protein 1 or twice a day, post bjj or lifting. Fats are at around 50g with the rest of the calories being carbs.

Long term I want to be 98 to 100kg and relatively lean (12% to 14%).

What you are looking to do is cut, not recomp. You should do just fine with your TRT dose. You also should not cut and then try to put on size in the same cycle, You need to cut and then give your body some time at maintenance calories to fine balance again. Once at maint. for a month or so you can start to add more food in. If you just flip the switch from cut to bulk you will prob rebound right back to where you started. What is your height?

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@iambackjack

you think leaning out and lean bulking back is better

I think bulk and cut works very effectively. I liken recomping to driving on a forked road… the fork is coming up, and you can only go so far before you have to turn (to cutting or bulking).

I’d rather go full effort cut, then full effort bulk - instead of trying to thread the slow, unproductive needle that is ‘recomp’.

FYI, @Euphemism2009 is correct that you don’t need AAS to cut, or to reach your stated goals - regardless of his experience.

[iambackjack]

What you suggest regarding the plan? I welcome your thoughts on how to improve it.

[iambackjack]

Interesting point. I am 6ft

[blshaw]

I’m in the same camp as the others. I’ve never had success in ‘recomp’ even assisted. You either bulk or you cut. For cutting, optimized TRT is far enough.