I thought he was serious til he mentioned kettleballs. Good one gmoney!!
Some beginners could improve their bench that much in a month.
Having a degree in Kinesiology doesn’t mean shit with regard to answering that question.
Listen all i am saying is in my opinion the guy who came up to me was very under developed and IN MY OPINION he would not be able to add 60lbs to his bench . His max 110 to get to 173 would be a task far fetched. He would have to increase his caloric intake a ton along with the use of roids. Again my opinion so thats fine. If anyone has witnessed it please let me know. If someone is underdeveloped, injury, muscle damage,and CNS burnout can still occur. WITNESS
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
gmoney23 wrote:
OK now my reasoning why he can not reach his goal. Unrealistic! Pectoris Major and minor are both considered large muscles. large muscles because of the type of muscle fibers involved take longer to heal than smaller muscles such as the muscles u use to wack off with. Which means you shouldnt lift them three times a week. Next would be the principle of progression.
There is an optimal level of overload that should be achieved and an optimal timeframe for this to occur.Overload that is applied to rapidly may lead to muscle damage or injury. This is why I dont feel it is possible. ALso hif he lifts as heavy as possible for for a long period then CNS burnout will occur.
Yeah, it’s what I thought.
How much damage do you think he’s going to do with 110 lbs? How much recovery will that take? Will he even be maxing out what his chest is capable of in the first couple of weeks?
Watch him bench. I guarantee you that the bar will be shaking all over the place. He doesn’t have the coordination or the neural efficiency to work anywhere near his max.
As a result, overtraining is really not a big concern right now. CNS burnout might be, but that’s why he’d really reduce the volume on everything else he’s doing. On the off chance that he does not recover well, using some form of active recovery like walking and pressing 10 lbs dbs for very high reps on his days off, just to increase blood flow, would probably get him back on track.
The risk of injury posed by progressing too quickly is very real. If you try to go from 325 to 385 in a month, you are probably going to hurt yourself. But we’re talking 110 to 170 here.
Maybe you’re awesome at training advanced lifter, but you really don’t seem to understand what it’s like for a beginner. As a result, you fucked up pretty bad. Seriously, you owe this kid an apology.[/quote]
No I owe no apology to no one. we all have are own opinions on situations so lets leave it at that.
This is from my blog, so ignore the fact that you don’t know who Brandon and Michelle are:
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Friday night was also interesting. It was a slow night, and we got started late, and I wasn�??t feeling like pushing too hard in general, so we took it easy, focusing on good form over raw speed.
In the middle of our circuit, a random girl comes over and asks if she can ask a question. I say �??sure,�?? and she says some of her friends thought that I was a personal trainer. I am not - the only people I train are friends - and I said as much. She said �??oh, ok,�?? looked at me for a few moments, and went away.
As I was finishing up my next set of dips, I had an epiphany. I�??m a real jerk. Now, I knew that already, but what struck me is that I�??m a jerk even when I don�??t mean to be. When I was talking to that girl, I never even really faced her; I just kind of talked over my shoulder to her. And while I would have been happy to answer whatever questions she had, I never really said that. I did nothing to keep the conversation, such as it was, going. She probably went away thinking that her very existence had somehow offended me.
Brandon suggested I go over and try to make amends, and despite my inner urgings urging me to just go away, I went over to talk to her and her entourage. All in all, it was a good moment; I showed them how to use one of the machines, told them why what they were doing was going to get them hurt, and taught them a new exercise. Much appreciation all around.
Walking back over to my team, Michelle beamed something along the lines of �??that was so good!�?? Then, she added �??next time, try tossing a smile in there.�?? I muttered under my breath, and went back to my dips.
Stupid girls.
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The point is, lighten up. Yes, I understand intensity and focus, and yes, it bothers me when some random guy gets on the dip station and sits there for ten minutes. And no, I don’t get an optimal workout when something like this happens. But you know what? I think not being an ass is an acceptable tradeoff for only getting an 85% optimal workout.
[quote]gmoney23 wrote:
Listen all i am saying is in my opinion the guy who came up to me was very under developed and IN MY OPINION he would not be able to add 60lbs to his bench . His max 110 to get to 173 would be a task far fetched. He would have to increase his caloric intake a ton along with the use of roids. Again my opinion so thats fine. If anyone has witnessed it please let me know. If someone is underdeveloped, injury, muscle damage,and CNS burnout can still occur. WITNESS [/quote]
A friend of mine went from benching like 85 lbs to 135 in about a month.
id have to agree that it wouldnt take much effort to get him up to where he needs to be, if he was a smith machine… then he def, doesnt know anything about proper forum ect… he could jump like 20-30lbs
honestly… 110lbs I know 10th graders who’ve never worked out who can bench more.
Just for point of reference, he has to only do 93% of his body weight. I’ll help out some. 173*.93 = 161
161-110 = 51
He had to increase his bench 51 pounds, not 63. That’s almost 20% less.
in reference to the above argument, i will tell you that i started working out again at the end of January. I was maxing about 175. By mid-march, I was up to 210. In about 5 weeks, I went up 35lbs, and I was partially trained. I am now up to 290. So approx 3 months, I went up 115lbs, and again, I was partially trained.
I say partially trained because I was still doing pushups and whatnot, so my CNS was at least part of the way there. I also have muscle memory working in my favor, as a few years ago I was maxing over 340. (Therefore, I had some of the muscle available to do these lifts, I just had lost the CNS capability to do so)
The point is that someone that is completely untrained has the existing muscle to lift more than what they are doing when they start, because not all the muscle fibers are being used when they first start. When they start training, the bodys first response to the increased load is to start recruiting more fiber groups to cope with the increased load they are being forced to move.
someone who weighs 175lbs most likely has the muscle available to move 93% of his weight, his CNS is just not responding yet.
The Army regulary takes completely untrained individuals barely able to do 15 pushups to being able to do 50+ pushups in less than 8 weeks. This is done through complete overload. Lots and lots and lots of pushups.
There does come a time when overtraining begins to cause burnout, however, this typically does not happen with someone who is just suffering from a lack of motor neuron recruitment.
Now, does this all mean that someone can go up 50lbs in 4 weeks? Not necessarily, however, it is an accomplishable goal.
BTW, I do not have a degree in anything related to fitness, I have however held certifications from ACE and ISSA, and was a personal trainer for over a year.
[quote]gmoney23 wrote:
This ends now kinesiology degree along being certifed in strenght and conditioning what the fuck do you have. My guess an uneducated jerkoff
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Wow…you sound like you would be a really great trainer after your first post. Do you usually belittle your clients for asking you questions?
[quote]grappler_123 wrote:
Now, does this all mean that someone can go up 50lbs in 4 weeks? Not necessarily, however, it is an accomplishable goal.
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Exactly. A far cry from “it’s impossible unless you take steroids.”
[quote]gmoney23 wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
msd0060 wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
gmoney23 wrote:
Ok clearify for the people who can not read. His bench from 110-173lbs = 63 pds. NOT 150lbs.
Remember how we started talking about if 40 lbs in a week is possible? 110 + 40 = 150. Not only do I think It’s possible, but I’d wager it’s possible to get this guy to 130 lbs in a day.
Second I forgot a comma I asked him whats ur 1 rep max now, dipshit states 110lbs. I did not actually call him a dipshit but I was thinking about calling him one. Again bend over laughing is what I was thinking but did not due.
So you consider thinking about insulting someone but not actually doing it to be polite? I call it being a passive-aggressive little bitch. But that’s just me.
No asshole you cannot gain 63lbs in ur bench in less than a month.
Just because you keep saying it doesn’t make it true. It just shows you have no idea wtf you’re talking about.
I fear you’ve been trolled my friend.
I hope I have. I really do.
This ends now kinesiology degree along being certifed in strenght and conditioning what the fuck do you have. My guess an uneducated jerkoff
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You should attempt to get certified in spelling and punctuation.
Or go for the whole ball of wax and try to learn English.