[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
BTW, where are all of these 150-lb. guys chinning an additional 75 lbs. at?[/quote]
Gymnastics classes?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
fitfreak wrote:
They actually were referring to the fact that the over 200lb guys somehow think that they are superior to the under 200’s.
In terms of bodybuilding, the more developed/esthetic bodybuilder IS superior to the less developed bodybuilder. You may not want to accept that…which is why you and those like you try to find some way to feel better than. This is why you focus on “relative strength” even though few actually compete in powerlifting contests with weight classes.
However, the posts are trying to convey the fact that “some” over 200lbs guys feel that because they are over 200lbs that they are because of intelligence, hard work, superior training and nutrition, and because they are better people.
So, this thread was to remind us that all of us are equal in terms of genetics, intelligence and hard work?
And because of this “some” of them think they deserve admiration or worse that they should even treat others with a bad attitude and look dismissively upon others who may be more intelligent, harder working, or nicer people.
Guy, most little guys are ignored in the gym unless they are in the way. I mean really little and undeveloped, not “gottatrain-little”. That OP was written because he wanted recognition. He wanted to stop being ignored in the gym. That is why he focused in on the larger lifter so intently.
Most more muscular guys in the gym ARE admired to some degree. If this gets to you or pisses you off, it is probably because you are jealous. Instead of then working harder to get there as well, you try to degrade the other lifters. You try to make yourself believe that people are staring at a 150lbs 5’5" person doing one armed pull ups.
I personally would be more impressed by someone over 250lbs doing one armed pull ups.
I guess what some people are reading is that “some” 200lb guys come across as saying(in posts or in the gym), "hey you don’t weigh 200 so you obviously don’t know what you’re doing or talking about and you should look in awe of me and respect me and move out of my way when I’m around.
And who has written that? Deal with one fact, if you weigh 250lbs or more of mostly muscular body weight at average height, people WILL look in awe at you when you walk in a room. That is a simple fact of life. No matter how hard you try to make every guy like that look weak, they will still get more attention simply because they stand out more than you. Most guys that big don’t need to LOOK for that attention and they know it. They don’t need to tell anyone to respect them. It just happens.
If that pisses you off, that is YOUR personal problem.
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I’m actually quite surprised by your response. I even gave you the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes you just have to sit back and say who would of thought?
Nice chatting with you I will stay true to my words.
This post is just dumb, really.
When this guy goes to the gym he should
“LEAVE HIS EGO AT THE DOOR”
I am 20, 178lbs and 5’11"
NOTHING SPECIAL!!! I don’t try to measure my self to other people at the gym. I don’t try to “invent an excuse” in my head to make myself believe I am stronger/better than the other guy. I just focus on my workout and on breaking my P.R.
What the this guy wants is recognition. So if he wants recognition then he should COMPETE on something (or be realy cool guy, a leader of a team, employee of the month, a PUA, whatever…)
my 2 cents…
Any “big guy” who doesn’t respect the relative strength of some “little guys” is a moron. Just as any little guy is a jackass if he doesn’t respect the raw strength of some big guys.
This is the same stupid topic brought to life again. Whoever started the thread should get strung up. And, by the way, it wasn’t started by some 150 pounder. This thread was custom made by someone looking to stir shit.
[quote]on edge wrote:
Any “big guy” who doesn’t respect the relative strength of some “little guys” is a moron.[/quote]
If we’re talking about powerlifting or a strength sport, sure. I’d be just as concerned about getting hit by some little dude who can bench press 300 pounds as I would by someone larger but who has equal absolute strength.
If we’re talking about bodybuilding, which is concerned primarily with looks, then relative strength means jack shit and should be ignored. All that matters to bodybuilders is how big your muscles are.
If you don’t like that, fine. Just don’t be a bodybuilder. Be a strength athlete or something else.
Personally, I care little about how big my muscles are. I care about strength - especially the strength of my posterior chain. When I was bodybuilding, I cared about looks alone. The weights I lifted were relavant only to the extend lifting said weights would make me look more muscular.
Context is everything.
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
gojira wrote:
A new year begins…
…same old pissing contests continue.
Status quo.[/quote]
I, for one, find this thread inspirational. Now I want to get even bigger so 150-pound people will rant about ME.
[quote]BFBullpup wrote:
I, for one, find this thread inspirational. Now I want to get even bigger so 150-pound people will rant about ME.[/quote]
Right on man I feel the same way. But… im a loong ways away.
Regardless when I see people in my Gym curling something like 150 LB’s, which was last time I went in. I think to myself good god that guy is an animal. I turn up my IPOD and lift a little harder.
Hopefully someday people will look at me and do the same.
Anyone notice the OP hasnt posted a single time. Probably hasnt even looked at the thread but it gave me an enjoying read, so I thought I’d throw my two cents in.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
on edge wrote:
Any “big guy” who doesn’t respect the relative strength of some “little guys” is a moron.
If we’re talking about powerlifting or a strength sport, sure. I’d be just as concerned about getting hit by some little dude who can bench press 300 pounds as I would by someone larger but who has equal absolute strength.
If we’re talking about bodybuilding, which is concerned primarily with looks, then relative strength means jack shit and should be ignored. All that matters to bodybuilders is how big your muscles are.
Context is everything.[/quote]
What I’m talking about is you don’t know nothin about the guy. You just walk to the gym and see a little guy doing One Arm Pull Ups or a big guy Benching 400. It’s respectable either way.
[quote]IC3ROCKS wrote:
Mr. Waterbury
I am 25 years old and have lifted on and off for 10 years. I have seen good muscle gains only to fall of my routine and lose the weight I had put on. Whenever I return to lifting the weight goes back up quickly to my previous weight.
For example:
140Ibs lift for 3mo 150Ibs, NO lifting for 6 mo 140Ibs, lift for 1 mo 150IBs cont. lifting 3 more months 160Ibs, NO lifting 6 mo 140Ibs, lift 2mo 160Ibs.
My question is the weight I’m putting on so quickly all muscle, water, fat, if the body can only produce .25-.5Ibs per week of muscle what am I gaining?
Thanks
West
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Well lets see we dont know anything about him cept what he tells us on this forum. He posted that in another thread 7 days before he started this one. Now this is simple.
you go in gym and bust your ass. You eat lots of healthy food outside the gym. You build muscle and get stronger and bigger. You go back to the gym lift harder than last, more than last time, and you keep getting bigger. Eventually yes you will stop making gains and then at that point you Re-asses your situation and make the changes necessary.
however…this guy is obviously not at that point. Yeah mabey I don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to talking shit here. But I wouldn’t worry about this guy challenging me on that since he prolly wouldnt show up at the gym anyways.
If you believe I made up the quote all you need to do is click his name then click Show all posts and click the post he made right before this one.
This might just settle this debate for now.
So how tall is this smaller guy who started this post? Will he ever return?
I think his rant would hold more water if he was lifting the same as the big dude.
This whole pound for pound strength really doesn’t matter in bodybuilding. I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t have good strength relative to their mass. I’m saying its not the point of their training.
“Relative strength” is a quality that’s only worth developing in sports outside of bodybuilding and throwing shit really far. Bodybuilding is about looking huge and lean. Almost every other athletic discipline demands that you move your body mass in a precise manner quickly and effectivly.
So if the 150 guy is a champion athlete of some sort and can show that his “relative strength” has won him a spot on the all-state team or a college scholarship, then he doesn’t really need to rant and can rest easy knowing that he excels in his own sport.
But if the 150lb guy’s main focus is bodybuilding, he is fighting a loosing battle.
I think this whole thread has deviated from its intended purpose as a rant about a muscle-fat guy walking around and acting like the posterchild for gym douchebaggery.
If the original poster started out as the stereotypical 98lbs weakling, then hell yes I have more respect for him at 150lbs.
(edit: didn’t see the above post about the original poster’s stats until after making this one.)
Then you have a muscle-fat guy strutting around the gym, bragging to everyone about how big and strong he is? THAT sounds like a man with issues of emotional security.
Did his powerlifting father neglect him and now he craves male approval from guys who lift weights?
(channelling musclefat’s subconscious):
“LOOK, PAW! I’M BIG AND STRONG! PAW! PAW, LOOK! PAW, LOOK! PAW! I’M STRONG! PAW?!”
My “untrained” weight is about 180 and I’ve managed to train up to a steady 210-215 over a few years by eating relatively clean and hitting the gym usually somewhere between three and four times per week.
My buddy is 5’3" and from the province of China populated with the smallest, skinniest “breed” of Chinese you can get. He trains harder and more consistently than me, eats more, better, cleaner, and more consistently than me, and does everything in the PROCESS of bodybuilding better than me.
He’s gone from 95lbs at 7% bf (He’d literally get blown over in windstorms) to 112lbs and 5% bf (naturally-ripped bastard!) in just over a year.
I’d never in a million years accept that myself at 210 deserve more ‘respect’ than him or are more ‘accomplished’ than him at 112.
Don’t be so hard on the little guys when you don’t have all the information.
Peace.
– ElbowStrike
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
I think this whole thread has deviated from its intended purpose as a rant about a muscle-fat guy walking around and acting like the posterchild for gym douchebaggery.
If the original poster started out as the stereotypical 98lbs weakling, then hell yes I have more respect for him at 150lbs.
Then you have a muscle-fat guy strutting around the gym, bragging to everyone about how big and strong he is? THAT sounds like a man with issues of emotional security.
Did his powerlifting father neglect him and now he craves male approval from guys who lift weights?
(channelling musclefat’s subconscious):
“LOOK, PAW! I’M BIG AND STRONG! PAW! PAW, LOOK! PAW, LOOK! PAW! I’M STRONG! PAW?!”
My “untrained” weight is about 180 and I’ve managed to train up to a steady 210-215 over a few years by eating relatively clean and hitting the gym usually somewhere between three and four times per week.
My buddy is 5’3" and from the province of China populated with the smallest, skinniest “breed” of Chinese you can get. He trains harder and more consistently than me, eats more, better, cleaner, and more consistently than me, and does everything in the PROCESS of bodybuilding better than me.
He’s gone from 95lbs at 7% bf (He’d literally get blown over in windstorms) to 112lbs and 5% bf (naturally-ripped bastard!) in just over a year.
I’d never in a million years accept that myself at 210 deserve more ‘respect’ than him or are more ‘accomplished’ than him at 112.
Don’t be so hard on the little guys when you don’t have all the information.
Peace.
– ElbowStrike[/quote]
If that rant sounded even half way real to you like it actually happened, I question the medication you are on and whether it is actually working for you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
If that rant…[/quote]
His or mine?
– ElbowStrike
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If that rant…
His or mine?
– ElbowStrike[/quote]
Obviously the person who started this thread. I don’t believe half of the posts where some smaller guy is claiming all of the larger lifters in his gym are obnoxious or, despite all of the progress they made, just don’t understand how to lift as well as they do. You also have to wonder why someone is spending so much time worrying about how someone else lifts, especially when whatever they are doing is apparently working for them.
I tend to keep to myself when I lift. I tend to not worry at all about guys who significantly smaller and weaker than me unless they speak or I know them. Why does it seem like many smaller lifters have such a hard time minding their own business? In a gym, size and strength does tend to command more attention and, dare I say, even respect. If that bothers anyone, maybe the real problem is them and not anyone else.
[quote]Mr ian wrote:
I am pretty big in to sticking to my self at the gym. I actually left my last gym because I made the mistake of getting to know the people there. Its much better to just put your head phones on and ignor all.[/quote]
too fricken true, i don’t talk to a single person, and if i do, it’s “can i work in?” or “how many more sets you got?”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t believe half of the posts where some smaller guy is claiming all of the larger lifters in his gym are obnoxious[/quote]
Fair enough, but I think that this particular “little guy” is claiming that one of the larger lifters was being obnoxious, and I’d bet that everybody has at least one experience with the stereotypical, late-middle-aged, muscle-fat man with the 80’s-style clown pants and do-rag screaming under the “massive load” of three and a half plates per side on his half-squats.
At any given public gym you can see “that guy” at least once every few months. Benching what he squats, screaming obnoxiously, doing excessive sets of exercises for a single bodypart, taking up way more equipment than is polite, appropriate, or efficient, etc, etc, etc.
“That guy” who’s obviously trained like crap since day one and has accomplished his progress through sheer stick-to-it-iveness (of which I admit that that amount of time in IS respectable).
However… if he’d spent 1/10 less time doing his program and instead spent it working on improving his program, would probably be squatting more than 3 1/2 per side after his lifetime of hard work.
I think of them as the gym personality equivalent of the fat woman in the restaurant that talks obnoxiously loud to ensure that she is consistently the center of attention for not only her table, but the entire establishment. You just get the same “vibe” from them as old muscle-fat and his do-rag.
“Everybody pay attention! Big and strong guy over here! Everybody see? Eh? Everybody?”
sigh
Now, I grunt audibly on squats, deads, and rows, but it comes from the diaphragm and is unintentional b/c I’m maintaining proper abdomenal pressure. “That guy” is nearly always screaming from the throat and doing it for attention.
Their entire body-language and behaviour changes if someone quiet who keeps to himself comes by and starts lifting close to what they lift…
I think that you may be automatically identifying with the “big guy” side of the argument and feeling justifiably defensive when really what this guy is describing and who you are are in two completely different ballparks.
In all of your years of training, have you never, ever run into anyone who fills the stereotype of “old timer muscle-fat McScream”?
– ElbowStrike
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Good stuff, as usual
and
“old timer muscle-fat McScream”?
– ElbowStrike[/quote]
This last line made me consider changing my screen name.
LMAO…
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Fair enough, but I think that this particular “little guy” is claiming that one of the larger lifters was being obnoxious, and I’d bet that everybody has at least one experience with the stereotypical, late-middle-aged, muscle-fat man with the 80’s-style clown pants and do-rag screaming under the “massive load” of three and a half plates per side on his half-squats.[/quote]
I fail to see the significance. By focusing in on his size or development, you make that the main issue. The OP even spoke negatively of the gym bag he was carrying. What does that have to do with how someone acts? Most of the irritating people I see in the gym don’t look like serious weight lifters or bodybuilders. They are the guys who spend 15min in between sets talking about random shit instead of lifting. Most people don’t get “built” by acting like that during a weight training session.
While there may be obnoxious lifters in the gym, the original post was all about size and all about how smaller lifters should be respected more. This was much LESS about someone simply being obnoxious and much MORE about how upset the OP is that bigger people than him exist and get noticed more in the gym. How did you miss that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
the original post was all about size and all about how smaller lifters should be respected more. This was much LESS about someone simply being obnoxious and much MORE about how upset the OP is that bigger people than him exist and get noticed more in the gym. How did you miss that?
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That’s your perception. I don’t live inside your head and so I won’t see things the same way as you do nor will I attach more or less significance to the same parts of the post as you.
When I read his post, I don’t see size as being the main focus so much as the “big guy” and his many acts of douchebaggery.
– ElbowStrike
ElbowStrike, think about this: if the roles were reversed, that is, the 150-pound guy is 300 pounds and the guy with the bag and water gallon is 150 pounds, would the OP be ranting about that guy’s “douchebaggery” here?
MY perception: sour grapes.