[quote]medevac wrote:
Wait…why are we talking about fighting at all?[/quote]
Because scrawny keyboard wielding MMA wannabee ass clowns are the most numerous demographic on internet forums.
[quote]gojira wrote:
A new year begins…
…same old pissing contests continue.[/quote]
Same as it ever was.
unearth:
Quit holding back…
Tell us what you REALLY think!
LOL!
Mufasa
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
How about Bruce Lee? Would anyone, regardless of your size like to try and take him on if he was still alive.
Yes.[/quote]
LOL.
I followed this earlier on but I haven’t kept up it…
Reading the initial post both of the guys to me were insecure ol’ boy that weighed 253lb and the poster.
I’m part of the “under 200” club I don’t automatically start seeking advice from people who are bigger than me just because they are bigger. Hell most of the people who are bigger (not fat) than me at my gym can’t do the numbers that I do. Plus for the most part these guys train the way the 253lb guy that was mentioned earlier do…which is spend an inordinate amount of time on one muscle… in my gym its usually bench press . yeah you bench 405 so what? what’s does your squat/deadlift etc look like. You are only as strong as your weakest link the saying goes.
[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
I followed this earlier on but I haven’t kept up it…
Reading the initial post both of the guys to me were insecure ol’ boy that weighed 253lb and the poster.
I’m part of the “under 200” club I don’t automatically start seeking advice from people who are bigger than me just because they are bigger. Hell most of the people who are bigger (not fat) than me at my gym can’t do the numbers that I do. Plus for the most part these guys train the way the 253lb guy that was mentioned earlier do…which is spend an inordinate amount of time on one muscle… in my gym its usually bench press . yeah you bench 405 so what? what’s does your squat/deadlift etc look like. You are only as strong as your weakest link the saying goes.[/quote]
Dude, if ANY of the guys who took the stance they did in this thread looked anything like what you do at your body weight, this wouldn’t even be a discussion. You are probably less “average” than I am in terms of genetics and you know that.
[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
I’m part of the “under 200” club I don’t automatically start seeking advice from people who are bigger than me just because they are bigger. Hell most of the people who are bigger (not fat) than me at my gym can’t do the numbers that I do. [/quote]
LOL.
If you had started the thread, “jealously” would not have popped into anyone’s mind. but when guys who don’t look like they even work out post such things, what would should come to mind?
Yeah titan you dont count, along with Gottatrain!
If someone who has made the progress that you want is doing something “silly”, it would make sense to give it a shot. 100 rep sets don’t make sense to me, but if I have everything in place, as well as I know it to be, and the scale and my log are stagnant, what the hell?
Results matter. Whatever they are.
Happy New Year to all. Good luck in your goals.
I think you should not give a shit about proper for as long as non-proper form leads to more gains than proper form and isn’t accompained by injuries. Obviously there’s a limit to this, but not as strict as most people would imagine (imho).
[quote]gojira wrote:
A new year begins…
…same old pissing contests continue.[/quote]
Status quo.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
At 150lbs, you are dumbass for looking at guys who have achieved that much more than you and believing they are doing everything wrong.
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Achieved more? Not necessarily. This guy has different goals from what your perceive should be the norm for everyone. Just because he has less size than someone else doesn’t mean he has achieved less. He could be going purely for strength at this moment, or he could be a gymnast, how do you know?
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Yet another little guy who obsesses over the big guys. You guys in the “under 200 club” need to get over it.
Be happy with meeting your own goals, and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing.[/quote]
Best Advice you’ll get IC3.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
What are your lifts Prof, just out of curiosity. I know you are an experienced lifter.
That isn’t relevant to this discussion and there is a reason I don’t run around discussing exactly what my lifts are. I will tell you that I first benched 405lbs more than 8 years ago so that should give you some understanding of where I am. I am also NOT a powerlifter so while my strength is important to me, of equal importance is muscular development. That means that I may stay at a certain weight lifted for quite a while but work on increasing my number of reps. The bottom line is, there are no truly WEAK huge bodybuilders. Trying to make them look weak by saying that should be stronger for their size is ridiculous since their goal is not pure strength like a powerlifter.
Your previous post was a waste. Why are there so many of you who feel so inadequate that you have to try to act as if every guy in the gym who is bigger than you is somehow weaker or dumber than you in some way? All that does is point out that you do really feel less than in comparison.[/quote]
Settle down man. Don’t get so defensive. I was just curious as to what you lift that’s all. I don’t judge a person by how much they can lift in a gym or how big they are.
[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
I followed this earlier on but I haven’t kept up it…
Reading the initial post both of the guys to me were insecure ol’ boy that weighed 253lb and the poster.
I’m part of the “under 200” club I don’t automatically start seeking advice from people who are bigger than me just because they are bigger. Hell most of the people who are bigger (not fat) than me at my gym can’t do the numbers that I do. Plus for the most part these guys train the way the 253lb guy that was mentioned earlier do…which is spend an inordinate amount of time on one muscle… in my gym its usually bench press . yeah you bench 405 so what? what’s does your squat/deadlift etc look like. You are only as strong as your weakest link the saying goes.[/quote]
You sir, are a genetic freak!
There will always be guys who
attempt to make themselves feel
better by knocking those who
have achieved what they can’t.
Lifting, making money, on and
on. Pick a topic.
Guys unable to produce nearly
always have an excuse, rarely
a good reason for their failure.
And though they would never admit
it, they know it’s bullshit just
like we know it’s bullshit.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
gojira wrote:
A new year begins…
…same old pissing contests continue.
In all honesty, it should continue as long as there are people logging onto a bodybuilding discussion forum who are NOT involved in competitive sports with weight classes who attempt to pretend that muscular guys over 200lbs are less than them in some way. [/quote]
Dr. Meathead:
Thank you. I think you finally got to the crux of the matter. The OP and many of the posts which followed in some type of defensive nature were not “pretending that muscular guys over 200lbs are less than them in some way”.
They actually were referring to the fact that the over 200lb guys somehow think that they are superior to the under 200’s.
Yes, they are not over 200lbs and if that makes you feel superior or more of a man then we have nothing further to discuss.
However, the posts are trying to convey the fact that “some” over 200lbs guys feel that because they are over 200lbs that they are because of intelligence, hard work, superior training and nutrition, and because they are better people.
And because of this “some” of them think they deserve admiration or worse that they should even treat others with a bad attitude and look dismissively upon others who may be more intelligent, harder working, or nicer people.
I guess what some people are reading is that “some” 200lb guys come across as saying(in posts or in the gym), "hey you don’t weigh 200 so you obviously don’t know what you’re doing or talking about and you should look in awe of me and respect me and move out of my way when I’m around.
Now, you’re an intelligent guy so I’m guessing that the way I just described how “some” 200’s think may be a little narrow when you consider other’s height, frame, goals, training experience, age, lifestyle, etc.
Then again if that is how “you” feel then we don’t really have anything to discuss.
what is so special about 200lbs?
[quote]fitfreak wrote:
They actually were referring to the fact that the over 200lb guys somehow think that they are superior to the under 200’s. [/quote]
In terms of bodybuilding, the more developed/esthetic bodybuilder IS superior to the less developed bodybuilder. You may not want to accept that…which is why you and those like you try to find some way to feel better than. This is why you focus on “relative strength” even though few actually compete in powerlifting contests with weight classes.
[quote]
However, the posts are trying to convey the fact that “some” over 200lbs guys feel that because they are over 200lbs that they are because of intelligence, hard work, superior training and nutrition, and because they are better people.[/quote]
So, this thread was to remind us that all of us are equal in terms of genetics, intelligence and hard work?
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And because of this “some” of them think they deserve admiration or worse that they should even treat others with a bad attitude and look dismissively upon others who may be more intelligent, harder working, or nicer people.[/quote]
Guy, most little guys are ignored in the gym unless they are in the way. I mean really little and undeveloped, not “gottatrain-little”. That OP was written because he wanted recognition. He wanted to stop being ignored in the gym. That is why he focused in on the larger lifter so intently.
Most more muscular guys in the gym ARE admired to some degree. If this gets to you or pisses you off, it is probably because you are jealous. Instead of then working harder to get there as well, you try to degrade the other lifters. You try to make yourself believe that people are staring at a 150lbs 5’5" person doing one armed pull ups.
I personally would be more impressed by someone over 250lbs doing one armed pull ups.
[quote]
I guess what some people are reading is that “some” 200lb guys come across as saying(in posts or in the gym), "hey you don’t weigh 200 so you obviously don’t know what you’re doing or talking about and you should look in awe of me and respect me and move out of my way when I’m around.[/quote]
And who has written that? Deal with one fact, if you weigh 250lbs or more of mostly muscular body weight at average height, people WILL look in awe at you when you walk in a room. That is a simple fact of life. No matter how hard you try to make every guy like that look weak, they will still get more attention simply because they stand out more than you. Most guys that big don’t need to LOOK for that attention and they know it. They don’t need to tell anyone to respect them. It just happens.
If that pisses you off, that is YOUR personal problem.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
what is so special about 200lbs? [/quote]
“Acheiving” 200 pounds at an average height is not special. At all. But it takes most guys with average genetics a couple of years or more to get there. So it’s merely a milestone that shows you’ve, at the very least, “shown up” to the weight room for a couple or more years. Which can be said for probably less than 10% of people who pick up a weight for the first time. Or, to use Dave Tate lingo, you have graduated from “shit” to “suck” and have shown you might soon be “good.”
Not making the 200 cut it indicates something is very wrong with your training program, diet, workout intensity, or all of the above.
So if I see a guy at the gym who is 5’10" and 160 pounds, I can rationally infer he’s a newbie, he only trains “off and on,” he eats 2,000 cals. Etc.