I notice “you” chose to refer to the “big guys” as meatheads. Excellent.
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That isn’t exactly some sort of insult to me, at least no different than “gym rat”. I know what my background is and I know I’m not retarded. I also know that most of the people throwing that term around as a negative are possibly LESS intelligent than some of the guys who figured out early on what it takes to make their body respond well to training. You can call me a “meathead” all you want. In fact, make that “Dr. Meathead”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You can call me a “meathead” all you want. In fact, make that “Dr. Meathead”.[/quote]
Damn! I was going to claim that user name.
man. There is a lot of hostility from big guys vs. smaller guys. Why can’t everyone just get along. Yea, I know this is a bodybuilding website, but many athletes benefit from strength training and don’t necessarily want to be a 300 lb bodybuilder, some do not even want to be over 150.
Oscar De La Hoya is the highest paid athlete in the world, and he fights at 147lbs. He is getting $25 million for his next fight. Do you think he is going to want to “bulk up”? Is that going to benefit him.
Also, just because you are small does not mean that you are not strong, Naim Suleymanoglu of turkey and many other olympic lifters in the 130 lb class have clean and jerked over 400 lbs. How many people on this site, regardless of height, weight, or shape, have done that?
Also, why is it such a big deal that your big? Is it cause you think you can hurt people? A four year old girl with a gun that knows how to shoot is more dangerous than the biggest baddest man on the planet. I dont get why just because somebody is 250 lbs, they are automatically a harder worker than the smaller guy, which is the consensus that I got from reading responses on this topic. And 250 lbs really is not that big by today’s standards, because if the obesity epidemic continues, that might be the average american’s weight by 2030. Respect the game.
It does not matter what you look like to be a great fighter. Take a look at Fedor Emelianenko. At a glance no one would think much of him, but he is one of the baddest motherfuckers ever. How about Bruce Lee? Would anyone, regardless of your size like to try and take him on if he was still alive. How about a Shoalin Monk fighter, most of those guys weigh under 140 lbs.
Does muscular strength and endurance help in a fight? You bet your ass it does. Does muscular aesthetics, or how many veins you have in biceps mean anything? Hell fucking no. Actually, having too much pumped up muscle is a disadvantage for a fighter. You have to carry all that around and your body has to provide oxygen for it during intense situations.
Let’s face it, most (I said most, not all) bodybuilders are weak for their size. For all of their striated muscle you’d think that they would be stronger. An exception that comes to mind is Ronnie Coleman. However Oleksander Kutcher who is 165lbs. and Coleman at 300+ lbs. both lift similiar numbers in the respective powerlifts.
If that is a person’s cup of tea, to put as much muscle on themselves, then by all means be my guest. But having alot of muscle on your frame (I’m talking ALOT of muscle), doesn’t mean shit when it comes to fighting or athletics.
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
It does not matter what you look like to be a great fighter. Take a look at Fedor Emelianenko. At a glance no one would think much of him, but he is one of the baddest motherfuckers ever. How about Bruce Lee? Would anyone, regardless of your size like to try and take him on if he was still alive. How about a Shoalin Monk fighter, most of those guys weigh under 140 lbs.
Does muscular strength and endurance help in a fight? You bet your ass it does. Does muscular aesthetics, or how many veins you have in biceps mean anything? Hell fucking no. Actually, having too much pumped up muscle is a disadvantage for a fighter. You have to carry all that around and your body has to provide oxygen for it during intense situations.
Let’s face it, most (I said most, not all) bodybuilders are weak for their size. For all of their striated muscle you’d think that they would be stronger. An exception that comes to mind is Ronnie Coleman. However Oleksander Kutcher who is 165lbs. and Coleman at 300+ lbs. both lift similiar numbers in the respective powerlifts.
If that is a person’s cup of tea, to put as much muscle on themselves, then by all means be my guest. But having alot of muscle on your frame (I’m talking ALOT of muscle), doesn’t mean shit when it comes to fighting or athletics. [/quote]
If this makes you feel better for being smaller than someone else, then keep it up. I don’t see many people lifting what I do who are 150lbs. If this is the argument you run to whenever someone discusses MUSCULAR SIZE ON A BODYBUILDING FORUM, you really have to ask why.
No one was discussing fighting until someone tried to pretend that De La Hoya didn’t have weight classes to fight in. The OP was NOT discussing fighting. Unless YOU are stronger than every guy bigger than you, why would you EVER concern yourself with someone’s “relative strength” outside of a competition with a weight class? Is it just so you don’t feel inadequate?
Does muscular strength and endurance help in a fight? You bet your ass it does. Does muscular aesthetics, or how many veins you have in biceps mean anything? Hell fucking no. Actually, having too much pumped up muscle is a disadvantage for a fighter. You have to carry all that around and your body has to provide oxygen for it during intense situations.
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You’re an idiot if you think that size isn’t an attribute in a fight, Everything equal, the bigger guy wins. Do you really think Bob Sapp would ever win a fight if he wasn’t the monster he is? I’ve never seen less skill in a Pride or K1 fighter, yet he wins at times…
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Let’s face it, most (I said most, not all) bodybuilders are weak for their size. For all of their striated muscle you’d think that they would be stronger. An exception that comes to mind is Ronnie Coleman. However Oleksander Kutcher who is 165lbs. and Coleman at 300+ lbs. both lift similiar numbers in the respective powerlifts.
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Saying bodybuilders are weak for their size is ignorance. I’ve never met what I would consider to be a bodybuilder that I would call “weak”.
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
If that is a person’s cup of tea, to put as much muscle on themselves, then by all means be my guest. But having alot of muscle on your frame (I’m talking ALOT of muscle), doesn’t mean shit when it comes to fighting or athletics. [/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
It does not matter what you look like to be a great fighter. Take a look at Fedor Emelianenko. At a glance no one would think much of him, but he is one of the baddest motherfuckers ever. How about Bruce Lee? Would anyone, regardless of your size like to try and take him on if he was still alive. How about a Shoalin Monk fighter, most of those guys weigh under 140 lbs.
Does muscular strength and endurance help in a fight? You bet your ass it does. Does muscular aesthetics, or how many veins you have in biceps mean anything? Hell fucking no. Actually, having too much pumped up muscle is a disadvantage for a fighter. You have to carry all that around and your body has to provide oxygen for it during intense situations.
Let’s face it, most (I said most, not all) bodybuilders are weak for their size. For all of their striated muscle you’d think that they would be stronger. An exception that comes to mind is Ronnie Coleman. However Oleksander Kutcher who is 165lbs. and Coleman at 300+ lbs. both lift similiar numbers in the respective powerlifts.
If that is a person’s cup of tea, to put as much muscle on themselves, then by all means be my guest. But having alot of muscle on your frame (I’m talking ALOT of muscle), doesn’t mean shit when it comes to fighting or athletics.
If this makes you feel better for being smaller than someone else, then keep it up. I don’t see many people lifting what I do who are 150lbs. If this is the argument you run to whenever someone discusses MUSCULAR SIZE ON A BODYBUILDING FORUM, you really have to ask why.
No one was discussing fighting until someone tried to pretend that De La Hoya didn’t have weight classes to fight in. The OP was NOT discussing fighting. Unless YOU are stronger than every guy bigger than you, why would you EVER concern yourself with someone’s “relative strength” outside of a competition with a weight class? Is it just so you don’t feel inadequate?[/quote]
What are your lifts Prof, just out of curiosity. I know you are an experienced lifter.
Does muscular strength and endurance help in a fight? You bet your ass it does. Does muscular aesthetics, or how many veins you have in biceps mean anything? Hell fucking no. Actually, having too much pumped up muscle is a disadvantage for a fighter. You have to carry all that around and your body has to provide oxygen for it during intense situations.
You’re an idiot if you think that size isn’t an attribute in a fight, Everything equal, the bigger guy wins. Do you really think Bob Sapp would ever win a fight if he wasn’t the monster he is? I’ve never seen less skill in a Pride or K1 fighter, yet he wins at times…
Charlemagne wrote:
Let’s face it, most (I said most, not all) bodybuilders are weak for their size. For all of their striated muscle you’d think that they would be stronger. An exception that comes to mind is Ronnie Coleman. However Oleksander Kutcher who is 165lbs. and Coleman at 300+ lbs. both lift similiar numbers in the respective powerlifts.
Saying bodybuilders are weak for their size is ignorance. I’ve never met what I would consider to be a bodybuilder that I would call “weak”.
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Charles Poliquin would disagree with you on that one. See the Training with Maximal Weights article he wrote.
What are your lifts Prof, just out of curiosity. I know you are an experienced lifter.
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That isn’t relevant to this discussion and there is a reason I don’t run around discussing exactly what my lifts are. I will tell you that I first benched 405lbs more than 8 years ago so that should give you some understanding of where I am. I am also NOT a powerlifter so while my strength is important to me, of equal importance is muscular development. That means that I may stay at a certain weight lifted for quite a while but work on increasing my number of reps. The bottom line is, there are no truly WEAK huge bodybuilders. Trying to make them look weak by saying that should be stronger for their size is ridiculous since their goal is not pure strength like a powerlifter.
Your previous post was a waste. Why are there so many of you who feel so inadequate that you have to try to act as if every guy in the gym who is bigger than you is somehow weaker or dumber than you in some way? All that does is point out that you do really feel less than in comparison.
In all honesty, it should continue as long as there are people logging onto a bodybuilding discussion forum who are NOT involved in competitive sports with weight classes who attempt to pretend that muscular guys over 200lbs are less than them in some way.
Does muscular strength and endurance help in a fight? You bet your ass it does. Does muscular aesthetics, or how many veins you have in biceps mean anything? Hell fucking no. Actually, having too much pumped up muscle is a disadvantage for a fighter. You have to carry all that around and your body has to provide oxygen for it during intense situations.
You’re an idiot if you think that size isn’t an attribute in a fight, Everything equal, the bigger guy wins. Do you really think Bob Sapp would ever win a fight if he wasn’t the monster he is? I’ve never seen less skill in a Pride or K1 fighter, yet he wins at times…
Charlemagne wrote:
Let’s face it, most (I said most, not all) bodybuilders are weak for their size. For all of their striated muscle you’d think that they would be stronger. An exception that comes to mind is Ronnie Coleman. However Oleksander Kutcher who is 165lbs. and Coleman at 300+ lbs. both lift similiar numbers in the respective powerlifts.
Saying bodybuilders are weak for their size is ignorance. I’ve never met what I would consider to be a bodybuilder that I would call “weak”.
Charles Poliquin would disagree with you on that one. See the Training with Maximal Weights article he wrote.
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If Mr. Poliquin truly believes that muscular strength and corresponding size is NOT an advantage in a fight, then he would be wrong as well. Something tells me that he isn’t making that statement but that you are for him.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
gojira wrote:
A new year begins…
…same old pissing contests continue.
In all honesty, it should continue as long as there are people logging onto a bodybuilding discussion forum who are NOT involved in competitive sports with weight classes who attempt to pretend that muscular guys over 200lbs are less than them in some way. [/quote]
so are you better than someone who is less than 200 lbs?
also, just because this is a bodybuilding website, many people’s main goals on this website are not hypertrophy. It says on the front page that it is also for endurance athletes, martial artists, powerlifters, or whoever.
[quote]titopuente wrote:
Professor X wrote:
gojira wrote:
A new year begins…
…same old pissing contests continue.
In all honesty, it should continue as long as there are people logging onto a bodybuilding discussion forum who are NOT involved in competitive sports with weight classes who attempt to pretend that muscular guys over 200lbs are less than them in some way.
so are you better than someone who is less than 200 lbs?[/quote]
Where did I write that? Oh, I didn’t.
I am, however, bigger than someone who is less than 200lbs.
I have yet to see someone start a thread with anything like what the OP wrote in reverse. I don’t walk into a gym and focus on every guy smaller than me. I don’t care what they wear or what is in their gym bag unless it is so ridiculous that it actually warrants discussion. I don’t worry about how many freaking exercises they do or whether they are “relatively strong” for their size.
That seems to be something that only little dudes get involved with. I would imagine the rest of us are too busy making progress.
[quote]titopuente wrote:
also, just because this is a bodybuilding website, many people’s main goals on this website are not hypertrophy. It says on the front page that it is also for endurance athletes, martial artists, powerlifters, or whoever. [/quote]
Did the original post in this thread have jack shit to do with “endurance athletes, martial artists, powerlifters, or whoever”?