Over the years, both.
Enough about NotYou “The Great”, and back to radical policies.
I support corporal punishment in schools. Not as a blanket policy for every school, but one to be decided as it was intended, by local school boards.
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Why?
Need some savage Principals with paddles or cattle prods for these little rats
It works, when administered well.
You are a very violent man
In 2024 with this “culture”? That would be interesting. I would not trust teachers, school boards etc. with that.
I disagree with this as someone who’s experienced a fair share of corporal punishment, and so does much of the academic literature
I do think corporal punishment can be useful for very young kids in immediate danger (e.g., slapping a child’s hand when they are about to stick stuff into a socket). The cause and effect there is immediate (do dangerous thing = get hit)+ most very young kids don’t have the ability to process reasoning and the “let them feel the consequences” approach could literally kill them
I am somewhat wired differently than a lot of people, but experiencing corporal punishment basically taught me that hitting was a valid method for getting others to do what you want, or as a response for when others do something you don’t like.
My parents were self aware enough to stop when they realised how it was affecting my behaviour.
I highly doubt many of the trouble makers at school who “deserve” coporal punishment would learn what is intended from being hit by a teacher/administrator. Many of the kids who act out in school already experience abuse or neglect at home.
At a local level, it’s more a matter of trusting a small handful of people. Well-known principals, etc.
I have no answer for the lawyers.
How bout instead of corporal punishment for the kids, the parents get called in and corporal punishment gets doled out to them instead. Might make bad parents pay a little more attention to raising their kids and try a little harder instead of passing off child raising duties to the schools.
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Who decides who is trustworthy? Majority vote? You want your kid spanked because they called someone retarded or gay? Maybe they “dead named” someone?
That power would be abused, and the administrator would eventually be punished themselves by a parent.
Let the parents parent and be the disciplinarians.
Or you could make the parents pay a fine.
@anna_5588 Academic literature is also cited by my local politicians who insist that allowing people to shoot up in the park is trusting the science. Same with guiding children into transgender medical procedures without parental knowledge.
Generally-speaking, I’m talking mild stuff like a whap on the head, grabbing some little punk if necessary and that kind of stuff. What my principal did to us, in other words. While I’m on this train of thought, I think teachers and/or administrators in school need a form of qualified immunity so chaos can be controlled without fearing for loss of personal assets.
My local public school has been so diligent in implementing policies supported by academic literature that they can literally no longer control their spaces of learning. If a child is violent all learning ceases, all students leave the room and then a SRO is called in to handle it, and they don’t want to fund more SRO’s either.
The irony here is that all of this compassion has produced a dangerous and counter-productive environment where a massive number of children are failing to learn the important basics, including how to behave in public.
Measures need to be taken or this serious problem will continue to worsen.
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Nah. Don’t want to take food out of their mouths. Just the skin off their knuckles/ass.
Yep. Was my job. Men have to be able to be violent or you’re not of much use.
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ohhh, yeah, I agree with you then
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I see.
I think making them pay a fine is better than having a principal slap the ass of a fully grown adult.
That’s just weird ngl.
Smash their precious phones with a 3 pound beater
Agreed.
This is a common talking point, and probably a valid one. I think people can still learn right/wrong boundaries, however.
The issue I have with corporal punishment outside of a scenario of immediate consequence is that it doesn’t really teach, but only instills fear.
I could scare my daughter in to behaviors very easily, but find teaching and instructing to be much more beneficial. Not without imposed consequence for gravity when necessary, but the same end can be accomplished without hitting her.
I’ve trained a lot of dogs in my lifetime too.
Dogs are incredibly forgiving creatures.
Not so long ago prevailing methodology for training dogs revolved around shocking, spanking and choking them. It worked. They would listen and became submissive. I don’t think k it was ideal though.
There is still an element of physicality in training dogs, they are hierarchical animals who also use violence to set and establish boundaries, but repetition and reward work equally well, they naturally want to please. And simply controlling their access to food and environment inherent to responsible pet ownership anyways establishes dominance effectively. You are their alpha and they want to learn what you want.
Much like kids in immediate danger, corporal styles of training are typically reserved for the dangerous stuff, like reptile training. Hunting in Texas, depending on where in the state, can expose you to rattlesnakes, and/or alligators. Mountain lions are in the mix and a slew of other nasties. You don’t want a curious dog running in to a nest of diamondbacks. Or a loyal dog trying to protect your blind from a living dinosaur. So you scare the shit out of them as they recognize scents with shocks and spanks before the alligator teaches class.
But you’ll for sure have a well trained and happier dog if you team with them, caveat being you’re the alpha, or coach. Kids too in my experience so far.
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