Questions About This Oly Program

Squats 3x6

Clean Pulls 6,6,6,4,4

Push Press 3x4

Snatch ???

This is a olympic lifting program that a CSCS coach has given me. He has been lifting for 55 years so I’ll do exaclty as he and see where it takes me. He’ll teach me snatches when he gets back from a business trip so I assume we’ll implement them then.

I was curious what you guys think of this routine and why he might have chosen these parameters.

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My current stats stand at:

205lb Bodyweight

160lb Power Clean

260lb Squat

165lb Bench

315 Deadlift

Despite being weak I’m actually quite muscular

He’s training me because he thinks I have potential but need direction. It’s also free of charge.

Worth mentioning that he’s trained many young lifters who have gotten athletic scholarships to universities. One of whom I know personally.

Ask him.

Second guessing trainers is a horrible idea, and counter-productive to their and your goals.

He’s got you squatting and doing the Oly lifts. Do them the way he suggests, and you’ll grow.

Nicely done finding a coach, BTW

[quote]Otep wrote:
Ask him.

Second guessing trainers is a horrible idea, and counter-productive to their and your goals.

He’s got you squatting and doing the Oly lifts. Do them the way he suggests, and you’ll grow.

Nicely done finding a coach, BTW[/quote]

I know it’s best to ask him but I’ve already asked him a ton of questions and don’t want to sound arrogant by questioning his choices. Since he’s doing this gratis.

It’s just that I was expecting lower reps, like 10x1 or something.

Who is it, if you dont mind me asking?

I’m always curious about peers in my neighborhood.

Any how, in some senses I can see his logic. I dont know if I’d do the same but it is a valid option. Also, is this the one and only day???

What he’s done [sorta] is planned your first block to achieve long term goals [i think]. He looks at you and sees a weak lifter who wants to get the o-lifts in. so his first and most important task is to make you stronger in the general sense.

Right now he thinks [correctly i would assume] that you are too weak and imbalanced to properly learn AND progress in the classic (snatch & C&J) lifts very well. It is easy to guess that you would have a hard time triple pulling vertically and would likely pull back [too weak on squat and strong on DL (BTW how the fuck are they so far apart? you must have skinny legs but an ass like a duck)].

so his initail goal is to prepare your body for the process of learning and and performing the lifts. To do that well you must be strong and balanced. your patterning will be fucked if you have weird balance issues [the DL vs. back squat issue again] and you will plateau early if you are too weak [how will you clean 200 if you cant squat it let alone front squat it].

So for him it makes more sense to beef you up and balance you out before he spends time on rep after rep of the classics. This i think is why he has the squats up front along with pulls and then explosive [but not dynamic] overhead work. He needs you fast and strong in those movement patterns. Later on you can transition that strength into dynamic assistance lifts and/or full lifts [excited yet?].

I reckon he has the snatches last because they are not as important right now as getting good squats, pulls and presses in while you have all your juice. The snatch portion will likely be more instructional and lightweight [ie. broomstick, girls bar and maybe the guy bar with some trainers on it. dont ask about the ‘man’ bar yet. someones pants might come down].

Whereas if you were to do the snatches right after your warm up they would be so anticlimactic that you would likely be all cooled down for the squats and pulls. And you want to be WARM AS FUCK for those.

The rep range is likely going to change. soon there will be more sets i bet. he is likely trying to start you off lower volume because he doesn’t know your work capacity yet. The reps are still “high” [>5] because right now your weights are low so this way you get more poundage in per set and therefore more structural adaptation and time to work with the motion of the lifts [esp. clean pull and push jerk].

think about it, if you did squats for a set of 3 at 80% [208] each set would get you 624 pounds of work. that’s a cold shit in a stiff wind compared with sets of 6 at even 65% [162] which would be 970 #'s per set. you could likely easily do sets of 6 up to 75% or more i bet given that the gross weight is low. So why not get more out of each set and save you some time?

trust me, you can wait a bit to see the reps go down. because when they do its real “man” time, no fuckin face cream, no fancy rims, no popped collars and certainly no rubbing any preparation H on your damn stomach. when your getting 970 #'s of work into one set [I’m sure it will be relatively soon if you steer clear of and face cream etc.] of three squats you will see what im saying.

And the sets are low as fuck [FUCK] to start off with so who gives a corn-filled shit about the reps. I love those days where the reps are at some dumb shit like 10 because at least i know the weight wont feel like rosie O’donnell dry-humping my neck. fuck ill go for 15 reps or just make it super squats day for fuck sake. so long as I get a day off of having that 85-90% bar letting me know what a soft bottle of face cream i am.

Every time i fail a lift above 80% the bar comes along and pops my collar up, spits in my face and give me some tan-in-a-bottle lotion. If the reps weren’t high you’d be out of the gym in like 20 minutes. Talk about the first half of a handjob.

And im ALMOST positive that the sets will go up to fill your work capacity out and try to expand it. Once he knows how hard you can or cannot work then he will have a better idea about how hard he can work you in the classic lifts. Once you’re strong enough the classics will LIKELY come around the front and be your main focus and the squats will be in the middle. make no mistakes though, that shit is way harder after already having cleaned and front squatted all kinds of shit. When you get a chance to squat at the beginning again you’ll be like “shit im strong” because all your usual sets are done after a bunch of tiring shit.

Also, it’s free. and it could be worse. he could have given you some random crossfit shit. that shit is free. Your “free” programming [may or may not] has/have progression. cross fit does not. look at their awful classic form. Like watching autistic kids interpretive dancing with deconstructed ikea furniture. whereas you might emerge with a decent lift and plenty stronger.

Also what are the weights this fella wants you to use?

Good luck sir. I have got to put down this cheap ephedrine. My eyes are so wide open right now. Who left me alone to make my own street-side purchases? very irresponsible.

-chris

Holy shit Avocado. That was like reading an Atomic Dog.

His name is Ed Fergusson.

What do you mean? He said that I shouldn’t hit failure but it should be hard as shit to squeeze out the last rep.

It’s not crossfit. This guy knows what he’s doing, which is why I’m going to do exactly what he says to the best of my ability.

[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
Holy shit Avocado. That was like reading an Atomic Dog. [/quote]

Yeah. It was good, wasn’t it? Avocado, who do you buy your drugs from?

[quote]Liftsmart also wrote:
I know it’s best to ask him but I’ve already asked him a ton of questions and don’t want to sound arrogant by questioning his choices. Since he’s doing this gratis. [/quote]

Ask him anyway. Let him know what you know, and give him the opportunity to correct you. Coaches love correcting you. It gives them a soapbox.

[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
Holy shit Avocado. That was like reading an Atomic Dog.

His name is Ed Fergusson.

Also what are the weights this fella wants you to use?

What do you mean? He said that I shouldn’t hit failure but it should be hard as shit to squeeze out the last rep.

It’s not crossfit. This guy knows what he’s doing, which is why I’m going to do exactly what he says to the best of my ability.[/quote]

Yeah its definitely not crossfit. What i was saying was that as far as free products go your are getting the better of the two. crossfit being one and your free coach being the other.

Hmmm, Usually coaches give you percentages to lift with or work up to.

in any case, lift mad heavy. get as many pounds per set as possible

-chris

-chris

[quote]Otep wrote:
LiftSmart wrote:
Holy shit Avocado. That was like reading an Atomic Dog.

Yeah. It was good, wasn’t it? Avocado, who do you buy your drugs from?

Liftsmart also wrote:
I know it’s best to ask him but I’ve already asked him a ton of questions and don’t want to sound arrogant by questioning his choices. Since he’s doing this gratis.

Ask him anyway. Let him know what you know, and give him the opportunity to correct you. Coaches love correcting you. It gives them a soapbox. [/quote]

I get my drugs from some dude sitting on a motorcycle on the sidewalk who greets you by saying “Yes boss. Ephedrine? good price for you.”

Yeah, he’s right by the “Marijuana? mushroom?” and “You like girls? you want girls?” guys.

but thats bali for you.

-chris

Check it out. That program I posted above was just to fill in the time while he was away.

I just got this gem in an email.

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Monday:
Sn.fr.Hang Sn.Pull__ Push Pr._ Fr./Bk. Sq. RomDdLft
Stick x 5x3 30 x 4x2 20 x 4x2 50% x 5 50% x 5
10kg x 3x3 35 x 4 30 x 4 60% x 5 60% x5
15kg x 3x3 40 x 3x3 40 x 4x2 70% x 5x3 65% x 5

Wednesday:
Cl.fr.Hg._ Cl. Pl.__ Jk.fr.Rk._ Fr./Bk. Sq. RomDdLft
15 x 3x2 40 x 4 20 x 4 50% x 5 50%x5
20 x 3x2 50 x 3 30 x 4 60% x 5 60%x5
30 x 3x2 60 x 3 40 x 3x2 70% x 5x3 70% x 5
40 x 2x2 65 x 3x2 45 x 3x2

Friday:
Push Pr._ Cl.Dd.Lft. Scap.Retr. Back Sq.__
____ x 4 60% x 5 ____ x 12x4 60% x 6
____ x 4 70% x 5 70% x 5
____ x 4 80% x 5 80% x 4x2
____ x 4 85% x 5 50% x 8
____ x 3

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I’m so excited to start this. I’m pretty sure you guys will understand the abbreviations. He has me going pretty light on many lifts. I guess he wants me to nail the form on everything.

Copy and pasting it kind of messed it up. You get the gist of it though.

wow, I thought i was an abbreviations/acronym addict.

seems like a logical program.

-chris