[quote]krillin wrote:
actually there were plenty of people dismissing X’s method as useless or stupid on this thread, some of you act like that wasn’t the case. That’s why I found that tidbit from Tate interesting.
I guess the moral of the story is that huge people are on both sides of the issue.[/quote]
Exactly. Let them keep arguing.
I already built muscles. Take the advice or leave it.
[quote]NikH wrote:
[quote]krillin wrote:
actually there were plenty of people dismissing X’s method as useless or stupid on this thread, some of you act like that wasn’t the case. That’s why I found that tidbit from Tate interesting.
I guess the moral of the story is that huge people are on both sides of the issue.[/quote]
No Tate is not saying what X is saying.
Tate is saying instead of pre-exhaust( first pecs and then benchpress) you should first benchpress and then pecs - not what PX is ‘advising’.
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Tate is actually saying the same damn thing. Tire the muscles taking over the movement so the target muscle gets worked more.
I am and have been talking about fatigue.
So is he.
http://media.beta.photobucket.com/user/quipfan/media/deadhorse.jpg.html?filters[term]=beating%20a%20dead%20horse&filters[primary]=images&sort=1&o=28
Nikh, perhaps you have didn’t hear it right? I listened to the video before it was mentioned in the thread and thought of it. He said exactly what professor said.
how about that Simeon Panda eh guys? Dude is one built mother fucker
LOL @ 14 pages to only arrive back at the same concept and have one of the biggest and baddest trainers in the world say the same thing.
Uh, yeah…experience don’t count for shit, huh?
Loved this, guys. Keep it up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL @ 14 pages to only arrive back at the same concept and have one of the biggest and baddest trainers in the world say the same thing.
Uh, yeah…experience don’t count for shit, huh?
Loved this, guys. Keep it up.[/quote]
Again, you’re the one who dismissed a method used by some of the biggest bodybuilders for years.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is WHY you pre-exhaust a muscle group…so it fails first and doesn’t interfere with the TARGET muscle group.
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL @ 14 pages to only arrive back at the same concept and have one of the biggest and baddest trainers in the world say the same thing.
Uh, yeah…experience don’t count for shit, huh?
Loved this, guys. Keep it up.[/quote]
Again, you’re the one who dismissed a method used by some of the biggest bodybuilders for years.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is WHY you pre-exhaust a muscle group…so it fails first and doesn’t interfere with the TARGET muscle group.
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote][/quote]
he keeps ignoring that little part lol.
Hey guys…I have to go lift.
Work at making this to 15 pages at least. My guess is, due to the number of reads, some people actually did learn something in this thread. I know the OP did…and I know Dave Tate wouldn’t be calling it “weird stuff”.
Loved this.
To the guys more interested in getting swole than a popularity contest…ignore the idiots and grab what works for you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hey guys…I have to go lift.
Work at making this to 15 pages at least. My guess is, due to the number of reads, some people actually did learn something in this thread. I know the OP did…and I know Dave Tate wouldn’t be calling it “weird stuff”.
Loved this.
To the guys more interested in getting swole than a popularity contest…ignore the idiots and grab what works for you.
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Keep ignoring the stuff YOU wrote and it will make it to 20 easy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is WHY you pre-exhaust a muscle group…so it fails first and doesn’t interfere with the TARGET muscle group.
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]
John Meadows:
EZ bar reverse curls â?? 5 sets of 10 reps. After a few warm up sets, I want you to hit these hard. Use only a 10 second break between sets. So do 10 reps, set the weight down and count to 10, and repeat. Do 5 sets total. This might sting a bit. Your brachioradialis and brachialis will be crying.
Machine preacher curls â?? 3 sets of 12 reps. I want you to do these heavy, and to not lower the weight all the way down. Choose a weight so heavy you can only do about 6 reps, then have your partner assist you with the last 6 reps. Flex the first 6 reps hard at the peak contraction, and then on the last 6, just keep the weight moving.
“Your tired brachialis and brachioradialis will not be engaged much at all in this movement, so your BICEPS will absorb the pounding.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL @ 14 pages to only arrive back at the same concept and have one of the biggest and baddest trainers in the world say the same thing.[/quote]
no, we arrived at the fact that you’re most likely strapped.
if this thread gets to 20 pages I’ll reward everyone by posting your personal ad on craigslist houston
Does anyone ever think that although “gurus” might be smart and good at what they do, they aren’t gods, and people and older gurus have been doing successful stuff long before they arrived on the scene, sometimes before they were born?
the Gurus envy us. They will never be lovelier than they are now. We will never be here again.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
John Meadows:
EZ bar reverse curls â?? 5 sets of 10 reps. After a few warm up sets, I want you to hit these hard. Use only a 10 second break between sets. So do 10 reps, set the weight down and count to 10, and repeat. Do 5 sets total. This might sting a bit. Your brachioradialis and brachialis will be crying.
Machine preacher curls â?? 3 sets of 12 reps. I want you to do these heavy, and to not lower the weight all the way down. Choose a weight so heavy you can only do about 6 reps, then have your partner assist you with the last 6 reps. Flex the first 6 reps hard at the peak contraction, and then on the last 6, just keep the weight moving.
“Your tired brachialis and brachioradialis will not be engaged much at all in this movement, so your BICEPS will absorb the pounding.”[/quote]
So, if I want to work my brachialis and brachroradialis do I pound my biceps out before I do?
[quote]dt79 wrote:
John Meadows:
EZ bar reverse curls â?? 5 sets of 10 reps. After a few warm up sets, I want you to hit these hard. Use only a 10 second break between sets. So do 10 reps, set the weight down and count to 10, and repeat. Do 5 sets total. This might sting a bit. Your brachioradialis and brachialis will be crying.
Machine preacher curls â?? 3 sets of 12 reps. I want you to do these heavy, and to not lower the weight all the way down. Choose a weight so heavy you can only do about 6 reps, then have your partner assist you with the last 6 reps. Flex the first 6 reps hard at the peak contraction, and then on the last 6, just keep the weight moving.
“Your tired brachialis and brachioradialis will not be engaged much at all in this movement, so your BICEPS will absorb the pounding.” [/quote]
Interesting, I am doing a John Meadows program from an e-book and I didn’t find this in there. Normally it’s biceps first and then the Hammer/reverse curls. One more tool in the toolbox to switch things up I suppose, I’ll try it sometime.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
John Meadows:
EZ bar reverse curls â?? 5 sets of 10 reps. After a few warm up sets, I want you to hit these hard. Use only a 10 second break between sets. So do 10 reps, set the weight down and count to 10, and repeat. Do 5 sets total. This might sting a bit. Your brachioradialis and brachialis will be crying.
Machine preacher curls â?? 3 sets of 12 reps. I want you to do these heavy, and to not lower the weight all the way down. Choose a weight so heavy you can only do about 6 reps, then have your partner assist you with the last 6 reps. Flex the first 6 reps hard at the peak contraction, and then on the last 6, just keep the weight moving.
“Your tired brachialis and brachioradialis will not be engaged much at all in this movement, so your BICEPS will absorb the pounding.”[/quote]
He is right. When reverse curling brachialis is more involved than bicep. When ‘normal’ curling after exhausting from reverse curling brachialis will have less firepower, tho bicep is the primary mover and radialis involment is minimal in the first place. Nice that you made a new account though. However, I dont think this is comparable to “doing tricep extensions before benchpress to get the most of your chest workout” 
I think this is more like doing benchpress before flys
As I said, gurus aren’t gods. And to think that just because Dave Tate says something, it has to be believed or followed blindly. He’s a great guy, a successful businessman, and a good guru, but he’s not infallible and has done and espoused and said dumb shit before. For example, he once said nutrition is overrated, and that despite his guys eating relatively little protein, they’re doing just fine.
Meanwhile, he and many of his guys later learned that nutrition is important and decided to do an about-face and diet and work off the fat they gained and blood values they botched throughout the years by stuffing their faces with whatever they pleased.
John Meadows has repeatedly stated cardio isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be, meanwhile most of the best competing at a higher level–you know, Mr. O competitors–do quite a bit of cardio. He once said on a forum, something to the effect that it’s not such an important tool, because, after all, look at all the overweight saps slaving away on cardio machines and remaining fat. This is faulty logic. By that logic, we can condemn weight training as not important because, after all, look at all the people in gyms year after year: they look the same year after year and many appear not to be in such great shape. A more accurate way to put it would be: cardio is a tool to be used according to individual situations, just as weight training is.
There are other examples but I don’t want to turn this into an indictment because I’ve learned a ton from these guys and other gurus and I myself have done and said dumb shit in my life that I later went back on. I just get tired of hearing, "But _____ said… ".
Think FOR YOURSELVES sometimes.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
As I said, gurus aren’t gods. And to think that just because Dave Tate says something, it has to be believed or followed blindly. He’s a great guy, a successful businessman, and a good guru, but he’s not infallible and has done and espoused and said dumb shit before. For example, he once said nutrition is overrated, and that despite his guys eating relatively little protein, they’re doing just fine. Meanwhile, he and many of his guys later learned that nutrition is important and decided to do an about-face and diet and work off the fat they gained and blood values they botched throughout the years by stuffing their faces with whatever they pleased.
John Meadows has repeatedly stated cardio isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be, meanwhile most of the best competing at a higher level–you know, Mr. O competitors–do quite a bit of cardio. He once said on a forum, something to the effect that it’s not such an important tool, because, after all, look at all the overweight saps slaving away on cardio machines and remaining fat. This is faulty logic. By that logic, we can condemn weight training as not important because, after all, look at all the people in gyms year after year: they look the same year after year and many appear not to be in such great shape. A more accurate way to put it would be: cardio is a tool to be used according to individual situations, just as weight training is.
There are other examples but I don’t want to turn this into an indictment because I’ve learned a ton from these guys and other gurus and I myself have done and said dumb shit in my life that I later went back on. I just get tired of hearing, "But _____ said… ".
Think FOR YOURSELVES sometimes. [/quote]
I hear you, but it’s not wrong to quote a coach’s idea as a point of interest and trying it out to see if it works for you. And a lot of times I would have reason to at least try their theories out and see partially successful application of it because of their proven track record and results. But yeah I can easily see how that turns into “such and such said this so it must be true and the only way of doing things.”
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I would put money on you posting again in this thread, no matter how comical you claim to find it. Someone insulted your e peen and you must defend your honor.
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Mod’s, I’ll accept payment in the form of store credit.