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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?

And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]

Ome of two reasons:

  1. She is a drama queen and feeds off of your emotion. As long as she gets attention she really does not care what kind so she ramps up the effort to get it.

That bleeds into number

  1. you are making her all giddy and stuff and she is shittesting you like mad. Unfortunately if that gets to you, you lose. By not letting it get to you you win. In that case she should be wet as October right now.

So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.

I would find out which one it is. [/quote]

But on the other hand, what does it matter? She’s a jerk and that’s not going to change. If you like the idea of a lousy, game-playing relationship, then she is possibly your own special shit-testing girl.

If, on the other hand, it’s a pleasant, rewarding relationship you’d prefer, you should move on. What Orion is describing above is a recipe for disaster. Playing games like the above will make you hate the women you’re with (perhaps justifiably so) and will ultimately inform the kind of women you seek, find, and make wet as October. You will increasingly become bitter and cynical and when you find partners that complement you, they will confirm your bitterness and cynicism in an unending cycle of reciprocal shit-testing (because isn’t that what Orion is suggesting you do right back to her? a shitty little game to manipulate her?).[/quote]

You dont get it.

There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.

[/quote]
Somebody forgot to tell my wife that.[/quote]

You would not know a shittest when it bit off one of your fingers.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

An unhealthy relationship skews healthy dynamics, such as the negotiation of needs/commitment or sexual intimacy.
[/quote]

Sure, lets just talks things out,

Thats the female model applied to the male/female reltionship, other words, a catastrophe.

You dont even know what a shittest is and why it is a "shit"test and by now you could if you wanted to.

Meh.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]nighthawkz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
You dont get it.

There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.

[/quote]

I love the smell of bitter misogynists in the morning.[/quote]

Sexism, darling, sexism, some of you guy really need to get their conceptual ducks in a row.

[/quote]

I prefer the term “gender realist”

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I have uncovered the perfect video example of EVERYTHING IN THIS THREAD. Here you will find the American woman in its formative years, bent on its mission of UTTER DOMINANCE. But wait! What is this? Why, it’s the Asian woman, shaking her head gently in disapproval. Can she save our young anti-heroin from her man-pounding ways? Or will our pussy-whipped hero have to take matters into his own hands? WHAT can sweeten the temper of the out-of-control American woman?

Whoa! How appropriate (after Jodie Foster’s recent admission).

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
You dont get it.

There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.

[/quote]

I think there are dynamics in all new relationships that can look like game-playing. For example, when I’ve felt that I am more invested in my relationship than my guy is I’ve had a tendency to retreat a bit. I don’t want to put pressure on him to conform to my wants (because I don’t want a man I’ve had to foist myself upon). He’s been the one to pull back and wait at times, as well. That’s not games though. These things prompt conversations that are honest (“I’m afraid I’m foisting myself on you”) and seek the wellbeing of all concerned. So far for us they’ve always led to an increase in intimacy or commitment.

An unhealthy relationship skews healthy dynamics, such as the negotiation of needs/commitment or sexual intimacy.
[/quote]

See, shittests a completely instinctive feature in a woman.

You do it, whether you know it or dont.

Experiment with this, since shittests are either social dominance or congruence tests throw a few out in a social situation and see how your emotional state3 changes depending on how he reacts.

Try to lead a man, or fetch something for you, try to make him stand or sit where you want him to. [/quote]

I’m not certain yet, but I think that just touched on a key idea here.

Women do a lot of these things “naturally”, whether it’s genetic or learned behavior, it doesn’t really matter. Men don’t do that. Most men have to learn how to deal with it.

I would say in general, men approach a relationship as “hey, look, attractive woman, [she doesn’t seem crazy], and I want her”. I doubt most men would really want to “feel things out” by choice. It’s so very straightforward… I like you around, I want you around, I enjoy your company, often I want you in bed, and then just whatever actions it takes to get there.

Whereas with most women I’ve talked to, for them it’s always a “process”, determining whether they actually like a guy.

So because things aren’t so straightforward with women – with almost anything else a man wants he can just go get it – men have approached it the same way as men traditionally approach most things that aren’t understood. Make theories, create a lingo, test out those theories, and just keep experimenting. Basically, build a science (or in this case, at this stage, a pseudo-science) out of it.

Once upon a time, things were explained via supernatural forces. Now we have gravity. But even so, none of those theories are completely right; they’ve just gotten “more right” over time.

So one of these days, I’m pretty sure that the term “shit-testing” will fall out of use as things become better understood. But until then, the activity and mechanics of that activity seem pretty accurate… including as described by Emily above. The name’s just a tad off-putting.

And it kind of ties back to other threads, where the only reason men play games is because women “force” them to. Because it seems that with most guys, their ideal approach would be “hey, I like you, I want you, be with me”. And until the woman convinces him otherwise, all the “game-playing” is pretty much done. So guys have to learn things like “pretend to not be as interested as they are”. And if they don’t, the girl is gone. Not in all cases, of course, but in many.

For that matter, just yesterday, my ex just rejected one of the guys she was talking to because he was too serious about her from the beginning. Personally, I recently got a “you seemed too interested in me so I was staying distant” text from someone else.

To women, maybe these aren’t “games”, but to guys, it’s not at all straightforward. Non-game would be “I like you, let’s be together”. Game is “I’ve got to be enough of an asshole so you’re still attracted to me, but not enough I push you away”. That’s not what I’d do by choice, but women don’t seem to be able to handle things when they’re raw and straightforward.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I have uncovered the perfect video example of EVERYTHING IN THIS THREAD. Here you will find the American woman in its formative years, bent on its mission of UTTER DOMINANCE. But wait! What is this? Why, it’s the Asian woman, shaking her head gently in disapproval. Can she save our young anti-heroin from her man-pounding ways? Or will our pussy-whipped hero have to take matters into his own hands? WHAT can sweeten the temper of the out-of-control American woman?

Whoa! How appropriate (after Jodie Foster’s recent admission).[/quote]

“Why those sandal wearing goldfish tenders will never amount to anything.”

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[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
But seriously…

If most [younger American] women these days play multiple guys as just a matter of course – especially enabled by smartphones and texting – how should you deal with it?

Treating them with an equal level of disrespect just seems like a cop-out solution.[/quote]

Dont know how old you are but I am 28.

One of the best things I have learned is if women are playing games with you you should get another woman on the scene.

You gotta fight fire with fire when they do that but tell me this, do you want a woman who likes attention from other guys when she window shops?

“hi I’m George, my dick is hung down to my knee and I have a good job”

“Hi my name is mike, I work in the City, pretty good prospects and you should check out my apartment sometime”

“yo bitch, when you gonna give me a hollah out over here? Missing you”

So which one do you want to compete with? All 3 or none at all?[/quote]

I don’t feel like it’s competition as much as just annoying and disrespectful. If you’re going to give her your time and attention, she should do the same.

In my personal experience, she’s just “talking” with all these other guys, but the only one she’s sleeping with is me. Of course that sounds a bit naive, so you can believe me or not. But these are girls that actually take sex kind of seriously.

[EDIT: For clarification, it’s not like I’m with a new girl every week. For me, a short term relationship is 3 months – from meeting her until things end. This is just something that’s happened a few times with a few girls.]

I’m not sure what this says about me… but if she’s sleeping with me, if I can spend time with her pretty much whenever I want, and she’s not sleeping with anyone else… I can deal with it.

I’d just rather, if she IS spending her time with me, if she IS sleeping with me, that she not be looking for better prospects. The cocky side of me says she probably won’t find any, so there’s no need to worry… but still.

And I know I could do the same back to her. But I’d rather find a way to bring her up, rather than lower me down.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?

And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]

Ome of two reasons:

  1. She is a drama queen and feeds off of your emotion. As long as she gets attention she really does not care what kind so she ramps up the effort to get it.

That bleeds into number

  1. you are making her all giddy and stuff and she is shittesting you like mad. Unfortunately if that gets to you, you lose. By not letting it get to you you win. In that case she should be wet as October right now.

So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.

I would find out which one it is. [/quote]

But on the other hand, what does it matter? She’s a jerk and that’s not going to change. If you like the idea of a lousy, game-playing relationship, then she is possibly your own special shit-testing girl.

If, on the other hand, it’s a pleasant, rewarding relationship you’d prefer, you should move on. What Orion is describing above is a recipe for disaster. Playing games like the above will make you hate the women you’re with (perhaps justifiably so) and will ultimately inform the kind of women you seek, find, and make wet as October. You will increasingly become bitter and cynical and when you find partners that complement you, they will confirm your bitterness and cynicism in an unending cycle of reciprocal shit-testing (because isn’t that what Orion is suggesting you do right back to her? a shitty little game to manipulate her?).[/quote]

You dont get it.

There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.

[/quote]
Somebody forgot to tell my wife that.[/quote]

You would not know a shittest when it bit off one of your fingers. [/quote]

And you would not know a good woman even if she sat on your face.[/quote]

Well, from a certain point of view that already is a good woman and no, you would not.

Like Emily you assume that you do because of the name, but you dont.

She thinks leaviing your phone lying around is on par, but its not because you can actually “win” that test.

What makes a shittest shitty is that you cannot.

The only way to “win” is by not playing.

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Ya know, if y’all put this amount of thought into something actually useful, I think we could cure fuckin’ cancer…

but nooooo, y’all have to think of shit like “sexual market value” whatever the hell that means.

oh well…just so you know this is the best pickup line ever

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[quote]polo77j wrote:
Ya know, if y’all put this amount of thought into something actually useful, I think we could cure fuckin’ cancer…

but nooooo, y’all have to think of shit like “sexual market value” whatever the hell that means.

oh well…just so you know this is the best pickup line ever[/quote]

Oh, the point of marrying them off young and massive slut shaming on a societal level was exactly that, to keep most men occupied with more useful stuff.

Worked quite well too.

But we had to change that, didnt we, because we simply knew so much better and now female sexuality looks like that of Chimpanzees and Gorillas distribution wise.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:
Ya know, if y’all put this amount of thought into something actually useful, I think we could cure fuckin’ cancer…

but nooooo, y’all have to think of shit like “sexual market value” whatever the hell that means.

oh well…just so you know this is the best pickup line ever[/quote]

Oh, the point of marrying them off young and massive slut shaming on a societal level was exactly that, to keep most men occupied with more useful stuff.

Worked quite well too.

But we had to change that, didnt we, because we simply knew so much better and now female sexuality looks like that of Chimpanzees and Gorillas distribution wise.
[/quote]

I’m actually agreeing with this for the most part.

It’s unfortunate that even 18yo girls these days are already indoctrinated and rarely make for quality girlfriend material. Other than sex and entertainment value, most girls really don’t seem to have much to offer.

In terms of other trends, better distribution/communication networks and mass manufacturing enabled things too; it’s not just social change. So while there’s less virgin geniuses overall, their impact is much greater. Good thing and a bad thing. But it leaves all the rest of the guys with not much more than a life spent seeking women and vicarious experiences, and women constantly seeking men who actually do something with their lives. I think everyone’s pretty unhappy, really.

Getting back to an earlier question… any idea what can be done on an individual level to start pushing things back the other direction?

Not necessarily regressive, but something that’s less harmful than what we have now.

(Meanwhile, I’m actually going to change my focus back to technology and progress and away from getting laid. Will see how that works out.)

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:
Ya know, if y’all put this amount of thought into something actually useful, I think we could cure fuckin’ cancer…

but nooooo, y’all have to think of shit like “sexual market value” whatever the hell that means.

oh well…just so you know this is the best pickup line ever[/quote]

Oh, the point of marrying them off young and massive slut shaming on a societal level was exactly that, to keep most men occupied with more useful stuff.

Worked quite well too.

But we had to change that, didnt we, because we simply knew so much better and now female sexuality looks like that of Chimpanzees and Gorillas distribution wise.
[/quote]

so you don’t get pussy OR jokes…point taken

but seriously, It seems to me it was more about a power thing over other human beings than keeping “most men occupied with more useful stuff”.

And there were plenty of women “back then” (whenever that was) who had sexualities that resemebled “that of Chimpanzees and Gorillas” … also, weren’t there more scientific and medical breakthroughs during the sexual revolution than during this so-called sexually oppressive era you reference?

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:
Ya know, if y’all put this amount of thought into something actually useful, I think we could cure fuckin’ cancer…

but nooooo, y’all have to think of shit like “sexual market value” whatever the hell that means.

oh well…just so you know this is the best pickup line ever[/quote]

Oh, the point of marrying them off young and massive slut shaming on a societal level was exactly that, to keep most men occupied with more useful stuff.

Worked quite well too.

But we had to change that, didnt we, because we simply knew so much better and now female sexuality looks like that of Chimpanzees and Gorillas distribution wise.
[/quote]

I’m actually agreeing with this for the most part.

It’s unfortunate that even 18yo girls these days are already indoctrinated and rarely make for quality girlfriend material. Other than sex and entertainment value, most girls really don’t seem to have much to offer.

In terms of other trends, better distribution/communication networks and mass manufacturing enabled things too; it’s not just social change. So while there’s less virgin geniuses overall, their impact is much greater. Good thing and a bad thing. But it leaves all the rest of the guys with not much more than a life spent seeking women and vicarious experiences, and women constantly seeking men who actually do something with their lives. I think everyone’s pretty unhappy, really.

Getting back to an earlier question… any idea what can be done on an individual level to start pushing things back the other direction?

Not necessarily regressive, but something that’s less harmful than what we have now.

(Meanwhile, I’m actually going to change my focus back to technology and progress and away from getting laid. Will see how that works out.)[/quote]

I guess because I’m not a Don Juan I really have to invest resources to have get and keep a romantic relationship and when I do, other commitments have to take a back seat. There’s no way I could’ve gone through grad school if I was chasing tail all the time or even just trying to start a new relationship. Let’s just say my romantic life during that time was sparse and sporadic, but it had to be to get my academic work done.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?

And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]

Ome of two reasons:

  1. She is a drama queen and feeds off of your emotion. As long as she gets attention she really does not care what kind so she ramps up the effort to get it.

That bleeds into number

  1. you are making her all giddy and stuff and she is shittesting you like mad. Unfortunately if that gets to you, you lose. By not letting it get to you you win. In that case she should be wet as October right now.

So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.

I would find out which one it is. [/quote]

But on the other hand, what does it matter? She’s a jerk and that’s not going to change. If you like the idea of a lousy, game-playing relationship, then she is possibly your own special shit-testing girl.

If, on the other hand, it’s a pleasant, rewarding relationship you’d prefer, you should move on. What Orion is describing above is a recipe for disaster. Playing games like the above will make you hate the women you’re with (perhaps justifiably so) and will ultimately inform the kind of women you seek, find, and make wet as October. You will increasingly become bitter and cynical and when you find partners that complement you, they will confirm your bitterness and cynicism in an unending cycle of reciprocal shit-testing (because isn’t that what Orion is suggesting you do right back to her? a shitty little game to manipulate her?).[/quote]

You dont get it.

There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.

[/quote]
Somebody forgot to tell my wife that.[/quote]

You would not know a shittest when it bit off one of your fingers. [/quote]

And you would not know a good woman even if she sat on your face.[/quote]

Well, from a certain point of view that already is a good woman and no, you would not.

Like Emily you assume that you do because of the name, but you dont.

She thinks leaviing your phone lying around is on par, but its not because you can actually “win” that test.

What makes a shittest shitty is that you cannot.

The only way to “win” is by not playing. [/quote]

If you say so.

So long as you’re happy, I’m happy for ya.

But… doesn’t seem you’re so happy…[/quote]
I think O’s happy…Hell, he’ll be even happier when he’s banging her.

The second he’s done cumming… reality will set in. The dick is satisfied. However, the heart and mind feel even emptier than before.

At least, that what i’ve experienced. Hey, maybe it won’t happen to O.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?

And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]

Ome of two reasons:

  1. She is a drama queen and feeds off of your emotion. As long as she gets attention she really does not care what kind so she ramps up the effort to get it.

That bleeds into number

  1. you are making her all giddy and stuff and she is shittesting you like mad. Unfortunately if that gets to you, you lose. By not letting it get to you you win. In that case she should be wet as October right now.

So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.

I would find out which one it is. [/quote]

But on the other hand, what does it matter? She’s a jerk and that’s not going to change. If you like the idea of a lousy, game-playing relationship, then she is possibly your own special shit-testing girl.

If, on the other hand, it’s a pleasant, rewarding relationship you’d prefer, you should move on. What Orion is describing above is a recipe for disaster. Playing games like the above will make you hate the women you’re with (perhaps justifiably so) and will ultimately inform the kind of women you seek, find, and make wet as October. You will increasingly become bitter and cynical and when you find partners that complement you, they will confirm your bitterness and cynicism in an unending cycle of reciprocal shit-testing (because isn’t that what Orion is suggesting you do right back to her? a shitty little game to manipulate her?).[/quote]

You dont get it.

There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.

[/quote]
Somebody forgot to tell my wife that.[/quote]

You would not know a shittest when it bit off one of your fingers. [/quote]

And you would not know a good woman even if she sat on your face.[/quote]

Well, from a certain point of view that already is a good woman and no, you would not.

Like Emily you assume that you do because of the name, but you dont.

She thinks leaviing your phone lying around is on par, but its not because you can actually “win” that test.

What makes a shittest shitty is that you cannot.

The only way to “win” is by not playing. [/quote]

If you say so.

So long as you’re happy, I’m happy for ya.

But… doesn’t seem you’re so happy…[/quote]

The second he’s done cumming… reality will set in. The dick is satisfied. However, the heart and mind feel even emptier than before.

At least, that what i’ve experienced. Hey, maybe it won’t happen to O.[/quote]

That’s why they invented Cabergoline.

"Off-label/recreational uses

It also has been suggested online that it has a possible recreational use in reducing or eliminating the male refractory period, thereby allowing men to experience multiple ejaculatory orgasms in rapid succession, and at least one scientific study supports those speculations. It is also used by bodybuilders to control gynecomastia caused by elevated prolactin levels through the use of anabolic steroids such as nandrolone and trenbolone.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:
Ya know, if y’all put this amount of thought into something actually useful, I think we could cure fuckin’ cancer…

but nooooo, y’all have to think of shit like “sexual market value” whatever the hell that means.

oh well…just so you know this is the best pickup line ever[/quote]

Oh, the point of marrying them off young and massive slut shaming on a societal level was exactly that, to keep most men occupied with more useful stuff.

Worked quite well too.

But we had to change that, didnt we, because we simply knew so much better and now female sexuality looks like that of Chimpanzees and Gorillas distribution wise.
[/quote]

I’m actually agreeing with this for the most part.

It’s unfortunate that even 18yo girls these days are already indoctrinated and rarely make for quality girlfriend material. Other than sex and entertainment value, most girls really don’t seem to have much to offer.

In terms of other trends, better distribution/communication networks and mass manufacturing enabled things too; it’s not just social change. So while there’s less virgin geniuses overall, their impact is much greater. Good thing and a bad thing. But it leaves all the rest of the guys with not much more than a life spent seeking women and vicarious experiences, and women constantly seeking men who actually do something with their lives. I think everyone’s pretty unhappy, really.

Getting back to an earlier question… any idea what can be done on an individual level to start pushing things back the other direction?

Not necessarily regressive, but something that’s less harmful than what we have now.

(Meanwhile, I’m actually going to change my focus back to technology and progress and away from getting laid. Will see how that works out.)[/quote]

I guess because I’m not a Don Juan I really have to invest resources to have get and keep a romantic relationship and when I do, other commitments have to take a back seat. There’s no way I could’ve gone through grad school if I was chasing tail all the time or even just trying to start a new relationship. Let’s just say my romantic life during that time was sparse and sporadic, but it had to be to get my academic work done. [/quote]

There is no reason why you would or should become a “Don Juan”.

But, since the provider route is basically a suckers game, it would probably not be a bad idea to invest some time in learning how to make female instincts work for instead of against you.

Is that good for you?

Very likely yes.

Is that good for society?

No.

Fuck society.