[quote]LoRez wrote:
But seriously…
If most [younger American] women these days play multiple guys as just a matter of course – especially enabled by smartphones and texting – how should you deal with it?
Treating them with an equal level of disrespect just seems like a cop-out solution.[/quote]
Was perfectly serious.
Since the invention of the pill, our cultural move toward polyandry has become ineluctable.
It’s only a matter of time.
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
But seriously…
If most [younger American] women these days play multiple guys as just a matter of course – especially enabled by smartphones and texting – how should you deal with it?
Treating them with an equal level of disrespect just seems like a cop-out solution.[/quote]
Was perfectly serious.
Since the invention of the pill, our cultural move toward polyandry has become ineluctable.
It’s only a matter of time.
[/quote]
Yep.
10% of guys do 90% of fucking in society
I would expect a movement towards polygamy…
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?
And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?
And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]
Ome of two reasons:
That bleeds into number
So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.
I would find out which one it is.
my woman only acts mad when she hasnt 1) slept enough 2) eaten 3) exercised.
And any guy who has dating a hot woman is totally allowed to be pussywhipped the first 2 deloading months…
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?
And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]
Ome of two reasons:
That bleeds into number
So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.
I would find out which one it is. [/quote]
That’s kind of what I thought too, but just didn’t feel entirely sure about it.
I wish I wasn’t so ridiculously turned off by shit testing. It would make getting laid so much easier.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?
And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]
Ome of two reasons:
That bleeds into number
So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.
I would find out which one it is. [/quote]
That’s kind of what I thought too, but just didn’t feel entirely sure about it.
I wish I wasn’t so ridiculously turned off by shit testing. It would make getting laid so much easier. [/quote]
There is no reason to get turned off by them.
Often she just pushes you every now and then to see if there is some sort of resistance. If you stand like a rock you got that covered and she can be all giggly and girly.
She just wants to feel your strenght, that is just like you enjoying squeezing her ass occasionaly, where is the problem?
It’s mostly these that the article covered me that bother me:
However, female sexual preference is fundamentally superficial, and arguably more so than the male sexual preference for beauty. A confident man with excellent genes, good looks, high intelligence, and high societal status, may fail shittests simply because he is too honest and trustworthy. And this weakness will trump all of his deeper strengths. He will not get laid, let alone loved by her. Similarly, a careful man of solid judgment will tend to project less confidence than a bold man who, like George W Bush, will judge incorrectly and then refuse to admit his error. And the latter will get laid and loved.
Being rubbed up against without one?s consent can be an unsettling and degrading experience, whether it is the physical (male) or psychological (female) variant.
Either type of rubbing up against the other sex is a natural sexual response. However, the male variant is shamed (in the absence of consent), while the female variant is widely accepted. This seems all the more unfair when we consider that manhandling a woman is generally unharmful to the woman?s health, while the stress that female shittesting creates for men over their lifespan is substantial and likely contributes to men?s lower life expectancy.
However, a few of us learn to enjoy the abuse, like a massage, and to playfully assert the dominance she so craves to feel.
But that is some good food for thought. I’m going to sleep soon so I’ll see how I feel about it in the morning. I guess I just have this silly dream about being able to have a frank committed romantic relationship with chivalrous ideals locked in my heart.
I suppose it’s like me expecting a girl to take care of herself physically to be attractive, I should be able to take care of the ‘shit-tests’ dealt towards me and not take them so seriously.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
It’s mostly these that the article covered me that bother me:
However, female sexual preference is fundamentally superficial, and arguably more so than the male sexual preference for beauty. A confident man with excellent genes, good looks, high intelligence, and high societal status, may fail shittests simply because he is too honest and trustworthy. And this weakness will trump all of his deeper strengths. He will not get laid, let alone loved by her. Similarly, a careful man of solid judgment will tend to project less confidence than a bold man who, like George W Bush, will judge incorrectly and then refuse to admit his error. And the latter will get laid and loved.
Being rubbed up against without one?s consent can be an unsettling and degrading experience, whether it is the physical (male) or psychological (female) variant.
Either type of rubbing up against the other sex is a natural sexual response. However, the male variant is shamed (in the absence of consent), while the female variant is widely accepted. This seems all the more unfair when we consider that manhandling a woman is generally unharmful to the woman?s health, while the stress that female shittesting creates for men over their lifespan is substantial and likely contributes to men?s lower life expectancy.
However, a few of us learn to enjoy the abuse, like a massage, and to playfully assert the dominance she so craves to feel.
But that is some good food for thought. I’m going to sleep soon so I’ll see how I feel about it in the morning. I guess I just have this silly dream about being able to have a frank committed romantic relationship with chivalrous ideals locked in my heart.
I suppose it’s like me expecting a girl to take care of herself physically to be attractive, I should be able to take care of the ‘shit-tests’ dealt towards me and not take them so seriously. [/quote]
While I agree with 1 and 2 it is of course also a part of any interaction with a woman you actially like.
Plus, if you dont like her because she tests you that is kind of circular.
Then, there are women who do it with with a sort of warm, intelligent humor that is nice so in a way you can judge a womans quality in some areas by how she does it.
If she is a total bitch about it you can alsways tell her to go fly a kite and if that just means she wants you more that is entirely her problem.
Finally, no woman is able to stress you. You are stressing yourself. Most men are stressed because they dont know whats going on or cant handle it and being ignorant and weak are qualities a man should get rid of anyway.
If you start having fun with it you start compliance testing her and enjoy the constant hair twirling, lip biting, bedroom eyes and constant touching.
You can push this much farther than one might think, the problem is though that you wont get rid of her if she is convinced down to the bones that you can handle her shit.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?
And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]
Ome of two reasons:
That bleeds into number
So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.
I would find out which one it is. [/quote]
But on the other hand, what does it matter? She’s a jerk and that’s not going to change. If you like the idea of a lousy, game-playing relationship, then she is possibly your own special shit-testing girl.
If, on the other hand, it’s a pleasant, rewarding relationship you’d prefer, you should move on. What Orion is describing above is a recipe for disaster. Playing games like the above will make you hate the women you’re with (perhaps justifiably so) and will ultimately inform the kind of women you seek, find, and make wet as October. You will increasingly become bitter and cynical and when you find partners that complement you, they will confirm your bitterness and cynicism in an unending cycle of reciprocal shit-testing (because isn’t that what Orion is suggesting you do right back to her? a shitty little game to manipulate her?).
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
But that is some good food for thought. I’m going to sleep soon so I’ll see how I feel about it in the morning. I guess I just have this silly dream about being able to have a frank committed romantic relationship with chivalrous ideals locked in my heart.
I suppose it’s like me expecting a girl to take care of herself physically to be attractive, I should be able to take care of the ‘shit-tests’ dealt towards me and not take them so seriously. [/quote]
Many of the posters to this board report having exactly what you want without having to treat anyone badly or be treated badly.
Most of the women posting to this board are in superior physical shape. I went to dinner with two friends last night, all three of us are in good shape. We all smell good and eat well and none of us feels the need to hide how devoted we are to our men, who give every indication of returned devotion.
I remember Angry Chicken talking about leaving his cell phone out and boogie-trapped, to see if women he brought home are snooping in it; his own special shit-test. Isn’t it better instead to find women to whom this would never even occur?
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?
And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]
Ome of two reasons:
That bleeds into number
So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.
I would find out which one it is. [/quote]
But on the other hand, what does it matter? She’s a jerk and that’s not going to change. If you like the idea of a lousy, game-playing relationship, then she is possibly your own special shit-testing girl.
If, on the other hand, it’s a pleasant, rewarding relationship you’d prefer, you should move on. What Orion is describing above is a recipe for disaster. Playing games like the above will make you hate the women you’re with (perhaps justifiably so) and will ultimately inform the kind of women you seek, find, and make wet as October. You will increasingly become bitter and cynical and when you find partners that complement you, they will confirm your bitterness and cynicism in an unending cycle of reciprocal shit-testing (because isn’t that what Orion is suggesting you do right back to her? a shitty little game to manipulate her?).[/quote]
You dont get it.
There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
But that is some good food for thought. I’m going to sleep soon so I’ll see how I feel about it in the morning. I guess I just have this silly dream about being able to have a frank committed romantic relationship with chivalrous ideals locked in my heart.
I suppose it’s like me expecting a girl to take care of herself physically to be attractive, I should be able to take care of the ‘shit-tests’ dealt towards me and not take them so seriously. [/quote]
Many of the posters to this board report having exactly what you want without having to treat anyone badly or be treated badly.
Most of the women posting to this board are in superior physical shape. I went to dinner with two friends last night, all three of us are in good shape. We all smell good and eat well and none of us feels the need to hide how devoted we are to our men, who give every indication of returned devotion.
I remember Angry Chicken talking about leaving his cell phone out and boogie-trapped, to see if women he brought home are snooping in it; his own special shit-test. Isn’t it better instead to find women to whom this would never even occur? [/quote]
This would not be a shittest.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?
And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]
Ome of two reasons:
That bleeds into number
So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.
I would find out which one it is. [/quote]
But on the other hand, what does it matter? She’s a jerk and that’s not going to change. If you like the idea of a lousy, game-playing relationship, then she is possibly your own special shit-testing girl.
If, on the other hand, it’s a pleasant, rewarding relationship you’d prefer, you should move on. What Orion is describing above is a recipe for disaster. Playing games like the above will make you hate the women you’re with (perhaps justifiably so) and will ultimately inform the kind of women you seek, find, and make wet as October. You will increasingly become bitter and cynical and when you find partners that complement you, they will confirm your bitterness and cynicism in an unending cycle of reciprocal shit-testing (because isn’t that what Orion is suggesting you do right back to her? a shitty little game to manipulate her?).[/quote]
You dont get it.
There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.
[/quote]
I would extend that to that to include non-sexual relationships with women.
[quote]orion wrote:
You dont get it.
There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.
[/quote]
I love the smell of bitter misogynists in the morning.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?
And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]
Ome of two reasons:
That bleeds into number
So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.
I would find out which one it is. [/quote]
But on the other hand, what does it matter? She’s a jerk and that’s not going to change. If you like the idea of a lousy, game-playing relationship, then she is possibly your own special shit-testing girl.
If, on the other hand, it’s a pleasant, rewarding relationship you’d prefer, you should move on. What Orion is describing above is a recipe for disaster. Playing games like the above will make you hate the women you’re with (perhaps justifiably so) and will ultimately inform the kind of women you seek, find, and make wet as October. You will increasingly become bitter and cynical and when you find partners that complement you, they will confirm your bitterness and cynicism in an unending cycle of reciprocal shit-testing (because isn’t that what Orion is suggesting you do right back to her? a shitty little game to manipulate her?).[/quote]
You dont get it.
There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.
[/quote]
I think there are dynamics in all new relationships that can look like game-playing. For example, when I’ve felt that I am more invested in my relationship than my guy is I’ve had a tendency to retreat a bit. I don’t want to put pressure on him to conform to my wants (because I don’t want a man I’ve had to foist myself upon). He’s been the one to pull back and wait at times, as well. That’s not games though. These things prompt conversations that are honest (“I’m afraid I’m foisting myself on you”) and seek the wellbeing of all concerned. So far for us they’ve always led to an increase in intimacy or commitment.
An unhealthy relationship skews healthy dynamics, such as the negotiation of needs/commitment or sexual intimacy.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Hey Orion, or anyone really. How come when I start to completely ignore a woman who’s treating me like shit, they get ultra angry and pissy and start giving me the stinkeye?
And this has surprisingly actually turned out to be a good thread. [/quote]
Ome of two reasons:
That bleeds into number
So, if a woman treats you like shit there can be two reason either she is an ass or she wants you and since you already failed the smaller ones it is an attempt to finally get you to act like a man.
I would find out which one it is. [/quote]
But on the other hand, what does it matter? She’s a jerk and that’s not going to change. If you like the idea of a lousy, game-playing relationship, then she is possibly your own special shit-testing girl.
If, on the other hand, it’s a pleasant, rewarding relationship you’d prefer, you should move on. What Orion is describing above is a recipe for disaster. Playing games like the above will make you hate the women you’re with (perhaps justifiably so) and will ultimately inform the kind of women you seek, find, and make wet as October. You will increasingly become bitter and cynical and when you find partners that complement you, they will confirm your bitterness and cynicism in an unending cycle of reciprocal shit-testing (because isn’t that what Orion is suggesting you do right back to her? a shitty little game to manipulate her?).[/quote]
You dont get it.
There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.
[/quote]
I think there are dynamics in all new relationships that can look like game-playing. For example, when I’ve felt that I am more invested in my relationship than my guy is I’ve had a tendency to retreat a bit. I don’t want to put pressure on him to conform to my wants (because I don’t want a man I’ve had to foist myself upon). He’s been the one to pull back and wait at times, as well. That’s not games though. These things prompt conversations that are honest (“I’m afraid I’m foisting myself on you”) and seek the wellbeing of all concerned. So far for us they’ve always led to an increase in intimacy or commitment.
An unhealthy relationship skews healthy dynamics, such as the negotiation of needs/commitment or sexual intimacy.
[/quote]
See, shittests a completely instinctive feature in a woman.
You do it, whether you know it or dont.
Experiment with this, since shittests are either social dominance or congruence tests throw a few out in a social situation and see how your emotional state3 changes depending on how he reacts.
Try to lead a man, or fetch something for you, try to make him stand or sit where you want him to.
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You dont get it.
There is no non game playing relationship with a woman.
[/quote]
I love the smell of bitter misogynists in the morning.[/quote]
Sexism, darling, sexism, some of you guy really need to get their conceptual ducks in a row.