I just did a 4 week cycle of a Prohormone and I am having to get up to go to the bathroom every 2 hours at night for not much urine and a very weak stream. I just finished the cycle today, so I hope this will go away. I will be starting an OTC anti-estrogen inhibitor today along with a test booster that has a DHT blocker in it. Any suggestions on how to deal with this other than just saw palmetto?
I’ve read finasteride can help with an enlarged prostate.
Finasteride causes some long term problems for some. You need DHT for libido and maintenance of your sex organs. Some have permanent harm from such drugs. Do not eliminate DHT, reduce perhaps for short term.
E2 is causes prostate enlargement and is probably a larger risk factor for men than DHT. E is a bigger risk factor that T.
With my TRT and adex, my urine flow improved greatly. My TT, FT and DHT are way up.
OTC “anti-estrogen inhibitor”, a self contradictory description, is probably not going to cut it. You need adex. If you can get Finasteride, you have access to adex?
Promones seem to have a track record of wreckage. You know what it did for you, don’t do it again.
this thread is retarded as hell, but it is a good opportunity to plug a supplement that I like and use… Zyflamend.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Finasteride causes some long term problems for some. You need DHT for libido and maintenance of your sex organs. Some have permanent harm from such drugs. Do not eliminate DHT, reduce perhaps for short term.
E2 is causes prostate enlargement and is probably a larger risk factor for men than DHT. E is a bigger risk factor that T.
With my TRT and adex, my urine flow improved greatly. My TT, FT and DHT are way up.
OTC “anti-estrogen inhibitor”, a self contradictory description, is probably not going to cut it. You need adex. If you can get Finasteride, you have access to adex?
Promones seem to have a track record of wreckage. You know what it did for you, don’t do it again.[/quote]
You are so right about Prohormones, I will never do them again. I only planned on doing them once to get passed a plateau. I thought I was smart because I took liver support and some Aromatase Inhibitors(AI), and T boosters while I was cycling. But things seemed to be much more complicated than I imagined. Anyway by the grace of God my urine flow is already much better 1 day off the cycle, but I have a ways to go.
I am using a strong OTC DHT blocker and Aromatase Inhibitors(AI) to get my prostate under control. I will watch how long I use them for. Your insight is very helpful, thanks.
May I ask which OTC DHT and AI products you are using?
I do not want to metion brands as I don’t want people to think I am pushing a product.
For DHT Blocking a high dose of stinging nettle, and a combination of Ginseng Powder, Birch Bark Powder, Echinacea Herb Powder, Juniper Berry Powder, Milk Thistle Seed Powder, Nettle Leaf Powder, Pygeum Bark Powder, Saw Palmetto Powder, Uva Ursi Leaf Powder.
For Aromatase Inhibitors (AI) {estrogen stopper in lay terms}
[6, 17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol],
[3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene],
[3�??,5,7-trihydroxy-4�??-methoxyflavone].
60 mg
I am going to try REZ-V next, as it looks even better.
If you’re old enough not to have to explain why you want it, you can ask your doc for a sample of Flomax.
It works well but has some ugly sides for some (true of almost anything prostate-related, unfortunately).
I am 39. My symptoms are improving, leading me to believe there was more to it than just BPH (enlarged prostate). Maybe now that my testes are coming back things will get better, I am going to continue this for a little while to see how it goes. I read something intersting that said in layman’s terms that estrogen keeps the prostate cells from dying while DHT causes the prostate to grow. I am trying the two headed approach. I know someone who got lazer treatment for their prostate, and everything was awesome. But now 4 years later the prostate has grown again and is causing some problems again, which the Doc said is normal.
I had a similar problem a few years ago and the doctor put me on flowmax, but then my problem got better and I could stop taking it. This was not do to taking the floxmax as it does not shrink the prostate, it relaxes the muscles around the prostate. It has less sides that any other Presciption, all I noticed was a little runny nose at times(not ver bad). I was taking an OTC AI at the time and maybe that was what helped.
I have no problem seeing a doctor, but I want to have knowledge before I go in. As this approach has helped me in many many areas. Doctors sometimes only treat the symptoms, however, there are some great doctors too.
Roger that. I suggested Flomax largely because your post suggests you believe it to be prohormone-induced inflammation. At least you’d be able to pee until you recovered.
Sounds like you know enough to navigate the problem. Though I’m older than you, my experience with Flomax was associated with a ureteral stent and kidney stones. I well understand the way it works, and it is effective for what it does. Sexual sides can be unpleasant for some, including me.
Hope the situation works itself out, as it were.
[quote]sdspeedracer wrote:
Roger that. I suggested Flomax largely because your post suggests you believe it to be prohormone-induced inflammation. At least you’d be able to pee until you recovered.
Sounds like you know enough to navigate the problem. Though I’m older than you, my experience with Flomax was associated with a ureteral stent and kidney stones. I well understand the way it works, and it is effective for what it does. Sexual sides can be unpleasant for some, including me.
Hope the situation works itself out, as it were.[/quote]
No, I started this post to learn more. Please tell me more as I am eager to learn what I can.
Short version: saw palmetto + nettle root has shown effectiveness in reducing BPH roughly equivalent to finasteride. See here:
BJU Int 2000 Sep;86(4):439-42 Related Articles, Links
Combined sabal and urtica extract compared with finasteride in men with benign prostatic hyperplasia: analysis of prostate volume and therapeutic outcome.
Sokeland J.
Urological Clinic of Dortmund, Training Hospital of the University of Munster, Germany.
Also, there’s evidence that eating a lot of ginger may be effective as well. I can add that study if interested (assuming you know how to read them – several here can help).
Also as a counterpoint, some research suggests that the elimination of DHT from the system may be an action that promotes BPH in certain hormonal environments. The obvious problem is that the evidence isn’t conclusive. Let me know if you want this study.
In the meantime, there is evidence to suggest that prohormone or AAS-induced BHP will be transitory and will resolve itself over time.
If symptoms don’t resolve fairly quickly after clearing the hormones that induced BPH, go see your doc. And do not allow a prostate biopsy under just about any conditions. Insurance companies like them if your PSA is even slightly elevated, but they can cause nasty damage.
Prostate cancer itself doesn’t kill you (though it is horrible), but metastatic prostate cells will proliferate and cause cancers in other organs that will kill you.
Let me know if any of this helps or hinders.
[quote]sdspeedracer wrote:
Short version: saw palmetto + nettle root has shown effectiveness in reducing BPH roughly equivalent to finasteride. See here:
BJU Int 2000 Sep;86(4):439-42 Related Articles, Links
Combined sabal and urtica extract compared with finasteride in men with benign prostatic hyperplasia: analysis of prostate volume and therapeutic outcome.
Sokeland J.
Urological Clinic of Dortmund, Training Hospital of the University of Munster, Germany.
Also, there’s evidence that eating a lot of ginger may be effective as well. I can add that study if interested (assuming you know how to read them – several here can help).
Also as a counterpoint, some research suggests that the elimination of DHT from the system may be an action that promotes BPH in certain hormonal environments. The obvious problem is that the evidence isn’t conclusive. Let me know if you want this study.
In the meantime, there is evidence to suggest that prohormone or AAS-induced BHP will be transitory and will resolve itself over time.
If symptoms don’t resolve fairly quickly after clearing the hormones that induced BPH, go see your doc. And do not allow a prostate biopsy under just about any conditions. Insurance companies like them if your PSA is even slightly elevated, but they can cause nasty damage.
Prostate cancer itself doesn’t kill you (though it is horrible), but metastatic prostate cells will proliferate and cause cancers in other organs that will kill you.
Let me know if any of this helps or hinders.[/quote]
That’s what I’m takng about! Please post the links or articles as I have been to graduate shool and can evaluate things, but I may have a few questins for you after that. Now we are getting somewhere, you remarks are invaluable starting points at the very least. THANK YOU!
[quote]KSman wrote:
Finasteride causes some long term problems for some. You need DHT for libido and maintenance of your sex organs. Some have permanent harm from such drugs. Do not eliminate DHT, reduce perhaps for short term.
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I was actually reading some guy’s story who had done AAS and finasteride the same time (AAS probably didn’t have anything to do with it since people have gotten the same side effect from solely the drug), and this might sound like a joke or something, but his dick actually shriveled up. I believe he wasn’t even the only one who has experienced that, since there was a huge forum dealing with problems caused by the drug (propeciahelp.com).
That might be a side effect you wouldn’t want. 
[quote]DOOM wrote:
KSman wrote:
Finasteride causes some long term problems for some. You need DHT for libido and maintenance of your sex organs. Some have permanent harm from such drugs. Do not eliminate DHT, reduce perhaps for short term.
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I was actually reading some guy’s story who had done AAS and finasteride the same time (AAS probably didn’t have anything to do with it since people have gotten the same side effect from solely the drug), and this might sound like a joke or something, but his dick actually shriveled up. I believe he wasn’t even the only one who has experienced that, since there was a huge forum dealing with problems caused by the drug (propeciahelp.com).
That might be a side effect you wouldn’t want.
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Thanks, scary stuff and the research backs what your saying. This a very informative thread, and we keep learning more about this important issue facing many men today.
Thanks again.
Relief at last,
I found a Beta Sitosterol formula that is bringing my prostate back to where it was. The key ingredients are the Campesterol, and the Stigmasterol. As the Beta Sitosterol has some side effects, and the rest of the stuff is for cholesterol. I only bought it because I could pick it up at the local vitamin shoppe dirt cheap and it works. I am going to take this when I run Alpha Male as it is a great DHT blocker. Even though I might not need it as Alpha Male is a great formula, I just want to be extra precautious. Note this formula is not sold as a prostate formula.
Here are the ingrdients.
Supplement Facts
Serving Size 1
Servings Per Container 200
Amount Per
Serving % Daily
Value
Phytosterol Concentrate Providing: Beta Sitosterol 120mg, Campesterol 60mg, Stigmasterol 40mg 300 Mg N/A*
Beta Sitosterol 120 Mg N/A*
Campesterol 60 Mg N/A*
Stigmasterol 40 Mg N/A*
Citrus Pectin (Citrus Limon)(Fruit & Peel) 30 Mg N/A*
Calcium (As Dicalcium Phosphate) 140 Mg 14%
It works, it is not a great blend but I waking up a lot less at night, and I hope to not be waking up soon. You might have to play with the dosage. I hope to find something with just Campesterol, and the Stigmasterol, as this formula causes some side effects. However, great to run during a cycle when you are producing too much DHT, but a new formula with just Campesterol, and Stigmasterol would work as well with no sides.
I hope these ingredients not the specific product, brings someone else relief at night.