Briefly, it was become clear to me that my prostate is extremely sensitive to the use of AAS, namely Test Cyp. For several years I have run a min. of 400mg/wk with no issues. For the past 18 months I have experienced extreme prostate issues that I have narrowed down to the effect of the cyp. use. (ie. remove it for 5 weeks and the issues completely resolve).
I use A-dex religiously for e control and have finasteride on hand (but really have hesitated to use) for DHT conversion.
I found that T+AI improved my urine flow. We are not wired the same. Are you also using herbals for prostate health? 400mg/wk is extreme from a TRT point of view.
Toremifene is thought to have some good specific protections for the prostate.
[quote]KSman wrote:
I found that T+AI improved my urine flow. We are not wired the same. Are you also using herbals for prostate health? 400mg/wk is extreme from a TRT point of view.
Toremifene is thought to have some good specific protections for the prostate.
For a brief period I used an otc herbal prostate health product with no success. Could have been the supplement quality itself. So,… no… not using any herbals at this time. Did peruse the LEF site and will spend some time tonight there.
What’s your opinion on the finasteride? I hesitated to use it becuase I have been schooled to think that it will interfere with the benefits of my AAS. I have it on hand.
Wiki’d the Toremifine and didn’t really notice any mentioned benefits beyond the one’s attributed to Arimidex (anastrozole).
As far as the 400/wk, yes for TRT I fully agree, yet I am trying to maintain the 30lbs of lean muscle I have added in the last 4 years. I am considering backing down to 200, and using growth and peptides to maintain lean muscle.
Went out and bought some saw palmetto tonight KS. It’s 450mg and I plan on taking 2 capsules 3x/day. In my reading I came across some interesting information regarding DHEA (which I have been supplementing)… apparently it’s considered by some to be far worse than Test. in terms of DHT conversion. I am eliminating DHEA totally from my supps.
So… since you haven’t suggested I actually take the finasteride… I will be limiting the Test Cyp. to 200mg/wk… (but I am going to give it a bit to work through my system before starting this… say 2 weeks)… continuing the A-dex at .5mg/day.
I must say. Not only is BPH very inconvenient. (frequency, urges) It downright hurts at times.
I may be wrong but your Adex dosage seems too high for the amount of Test you’re taking. Could this be an issue? With Adex dosages like yours my joints are so achy and uncomfortable.
There is no direct pathway from DHEA–>DHT. There is no spontaneous conversion of one hormone to another. These things require enzyme processing. DHT is only created by FT–>DHT. Note that SHBG bound T [SHBG-T] is inert and cannot be changed to E2 or DHT. What you find to read can often be wrong.
You can try finasteride for short term to get some relief then try to fly on the lower T and saw palmetto. You should feel lower DHT as lower libido. If libido takes a large hit, that might be an indication for a smaller dose.
[quote]KSman wrote:
There is no direct pathway from DHEA–>DHT. There is no spontaneous conversion of one hormone to another. These things require enzyme processing. DHT is only created by FT–>DHT. Note that SHBG bound T [SHBG-T] is inert and cannot be changed to E2 or DHT. What you find to read can often be wrong.
You can try finasteride for short term to get some relief then try to fly on the lower T and saw palmetto. You should feel lower DHT as lower libido. If libido takes a large hit, that might be an indication for a smaller dose.
Added the Saw Palmetto yesterday. What I think might be a suffiecient dose? (2-450mg Capsules 3xd). How long (generally… if that’s possible) would you think it might take to see some benefit from the finasteride? It’s been appox. 8 days since my last T inj. I am thinking I will give it 16 total days before coming down to 100mg e3d. I am running HCG 250 e3d. And, in bringing the T dosage down, I am planning on taking .5mg the evening after the Test. inj… so e3d as well. In all sincerity, I think maybe the symptoms may be coming down a bit with just 2 days of Saw Palmetto. Is that possible. I only felt undeniable urge 4 times yesterday as compared with maybe 8-10 times normally. (that’s a undeniable urge… not just the way to frequent trips to the bathroom). Those are down too.
Could be the SP or could be the T.cyp. has run it’s halflife at 8 days.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
I may be wrong but your Adex dosage seems too high for the amount of Test you’re taking. Could this be an issue? With Adex dosages like yours my joints are so achy and uncomfortable. [/quote]
I wasn’t clear on the amount of Test I am currently using… it’s 400mg e3d. So, perhaps… but my GP advised the .50mg/day.
If you read my later post, I am bringing that down with the decrease in the Test use.
[quote]KSman wrote:
There is no direct pathway from DHEA–>DHT. There is no spontaneous conversion of one hormone to another. These things require enzyme processing. DHT is only created by FT–>DHT. Note that SHBG bound T [SHBG-T] is inert and cannot be changed to E2 or DHT. What you find to read can often be wrong.
You can try finasteride for short term to get some relief then try to fly on the lower T and saw palmetto. You should feel lower DHT as lower libido. If libido takes a large hit, that might be an indication for a smaller dose.
I wanted to thank you and report that I have had some relief with the Saw Palmetto (cheap Nature’s Bounty brand). I am not half as symptomatic! Thank you for pushing me in that direction. I think my mind is trained to think that “if it isn’t written by script or bought underground, it cannot possibly work.”
I am very pleased with the results. I am advancing my dose today to 1.35 grams 3xd. I will report back.