[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Kai just seems like a cool guy. Look how he interacted with the crowd, had no problems with pictures, and was dancing walking through the crowd. I think he is one of the good faces of the industry. There are others with poor attitudes/reputations. Phil is another good positive example.
Kind of bummed I missed that show… I live near Pittsburgh. Will have to go next year.[/quote]
Kai HAS a poor reputation. I don’t care personally, but plenty of people do. That is why–among other reasons–he will never be Mr. O nor will he see “mainstream” success, eg: commercials, movies, & the like.[/quote]
How do you figure he has a poor reputation? [/quote]
grapefruit[/quote]
…and there it is. Again, I couldn’t care less, so many of these guys are doing G4P anyhow, his was just recorded on video.[/quote]
Oh that little incident. I thought you meant that Kai built a reputation as an asshole or something along those lines. Well in his defense it doesn’t seem to have held him back from winning two Arnold Classics and getting sponsorship from MM and MD.
the concept that he can’t win the O based on that is…well, it’s been covered before, it’s not good that he humped a grapefruit…but…he could still win. other fact, bodybuilding isn’t and won’t be mainstream.
i’d like to see it get espn play as it did in the 80’s…we’ll see. phil is a great spokesperson, the idea that he is the next Legend is silly. he has the best arms, likely everm but isn’t a ronnie, arnold, dorian, haney type guy, he’s just not that big and overwhelming relatively speaking.
i cannot drink the phil kool-aid, from an aesthetic perspective his shoulders and arms will always make his chest look small. his chest is small comparatively speaking to those arms. his narrow clavicles make them look like titty implants.
i’m biased but have a good eye for aesthetic details. i think a shredded kai who still looks big and full beats the best phil ever…every single time. the problem is kai looks awesome when these guys are not as sharp, then as he gets ready for the show they get better, phil is always diced, and kai comes in a bit flat or holding water, he doesn’t nail it. if both phil and kai are a bit off, phil has more room for error. phil is so pretty it still works. kai needs to be both freaky and big for his look to work. feathered up kai w. those crazy legs and feathered lats and tri’s kills it. i hope he can do it in the next two yrs and keep the waist non-preggo.
Sigh, so he banged a grapefruit… thanks for the honest answer.
I believe similar happened in Good Luck Chuck and a couple other movies… who cares?
Unaware of Kai’s reputation being negative, but his Youtube videos I’ve seen he’s never a d-bag and haven’t heard rumors like I have of other pro bb’s being dicks.
I think Phil is doing a good job and deserved to win last year. I don’t have a good feeling for this year as it seems his competition just isn’t up to par… its not so much Phil is the best thing ever, its that he’s the best out there right now (considering all aspects). Personally, I’d like to see Dennis Wolf win because he is a taller BB’er and you don’t often see many of the taller guys win. Doubt it will happen but one can hope.
We’ll see what happens in a couple years, but for all the guys “up and coming” do any of them actually stand out as the next big thing - ie multi-Olympia winner?
Yeah I think he’s a good dude. But do you really think the IFBB wants someone like that as the face of bodybuilding? Look at all the past Mr. Os…squeaky clean. Being in the stable of MD is different, there’s like 5-10 of those guys.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Yeah I think he’s a good dude. But do you really think the IFBB wants someone like that as the face of bodybuilding? Look at all the past Mr. Os…squeaky clean. Being in the stable of MD is different, there’s like 5-10 of those guys.[/quote]
Squeaky clean…until after they become Mr Olympia and then they get the maid pregnant.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Yeah I think he’s a good dude. But do you really think the IFBB wants someone like that as the face of bodybuilding? Look at all the past Mr. Os…squeaky clean. Being in the stable of MD is different, there’s like 5-10 of those guys.[/quote]
lol, Arnie built his reputation and image on pretty much NOT being squeeky clean. There’s pictures of him at his prime smoking weed, fingering random girls etc.
But I take your larger point, that most have been less notorious than that since and prior.
I wish Branch Warren gets the next Sandow, I seem to be alone thinking that after reading what others here say.
Or are there others here who share my sentiment?
[quote]florelius wrote:
And I just like the freak look he got.[/quote]
Thats a good picture of him…I thought he looked great when he won nationals in 1993. Nowadays, not so much. Too many torn muscle injuries, too wide a waist, and he’s just too short to match up with the other competitors directly.
By himself he always looks good, probably the best/most consistent conditioning out of today’s pros…but you know what they say about opinions
If Kai ever shows up in condition, they’ll be hard pressed not to give him the olympia title. That’s a big IF though. He keeps dropping the ball on that. I seriously don’t understand why it is difficult for a professional to show up in great condition.
Reminds me of brandon curry. By far one the guys with the greatest potential but one of the biggest disappointments thus far bc he keeps showing up looking like total shit, aside from the olympia last year.
[quote]florelius wrote:
And I just like the freak look he got.[/quote]
Thats a good picture of him…I thought he looked great when he won nationals in 1993. Nowadays, not so much. Too many torn muscle injuries, too wide a waist, and he’s just too short to match up with the other competitors directly.
By himself he always looks good, probably the best/most consistent conditioning out of today’s pros…but you know what they say about opinions :)[/quote]
My wiew of him is mostly based on pics and vids where he is by himself, and its based on no rationale reason, I just like how the guy look. You and audiogarden can probably be right about him never winning since you know more about bodybuilding than I do.
i love branch’s in the gym mentality, he is a work horse. his conditioning, particularly the front and wheels, it’s always grainy/vascular/dry as fuck… he’s just not pretty enough to win, at least that’s my view point. his back has improved but the shape, the taper, the separation and details…not there. note: i’m being critical and speaking in relative terms…all of these guys are fucking silly, but we’re talking top of the top. just as i criticize phil for his clavicles and chest…he’s still mr. o and fucking insane.
like to see ced standing next to these guys, berk and a few others are going to be crazy looking as the grow and improve. evan has the potential to do damage as his chest improves and he slowly grows. mentioned already- leaner smaller waisted kai can do the damn thing…we’ll see though.
way- been lurking, great prep, you’re a beast…keep grinding w/ the diet, nice that you are maintaining muscle w/ a good approach. i had a prep thread for my lady a while back, she was actually doing women’s physique. she backed out because she wants her legs to match, they were too soft still. we’ll (she’ll do one soon) my belief is that she will get her masters pro card eventually…33 now by 36 she’ll get it.
any kai talk gets me on the boards (no real homo), just been away from computer stuff lately.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
If Kai ever shows up in condition, they’ll be hard pressed not to give him the olympia title. That’s a big IF though. He keeps dropping the ball on that. I seriously don’t understand why it is difficult for a professional to show up in great condition.
Reminds me of brandon curry. By far one the guys with the greatest potential but one of the biggest disappointments thus far bc he keeps showing up looking like total shit, aside from the olympia last year.[/quote]
I agree, and i sure hope he pulls it off this year, but im definitely not counting on it. Phil cant compete with Kai anywhere but arms if Kai comes in as conditioned as he should.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
If Kai ever shows up in condition, they’ll be hard pressed not to give him the olympia title. That’s a big IF though. He keeps dropping the ball on that. I seriously don’t understand why it is difficult for a professional to show up in great condition.
Reminds me of brandon curry. By far one the guys with the greatest potential but one of the biggest disappointments thus far bc he keeps showing up looking like total shit, aside from the olympia last year.[/quote]
Kai needs to bring his Arnold 2009 look back. It wasnt perfect, but it looked better than his recent olympia showings.
kai is bigger now than in 09 but he’s brought his waist down by staying sharper in the off-season.
my hope is that farah has him dialed in, oscar did wonders for developing kai’s mental game but had him eating too much, that said, kai switched from un-assist to assist later than most pros…he grew like a mo fo’ and was already big…he’s now getting it right, he’s big enough…hope he is diced.
phil looks great but kai hasn’t got to stand next to him much or stood next to him at his best. phil should have won that arnold based on condition.
both men on and kai wins, both off a bit, and phil’s prettiness beats him each time. the powers that be want phil to win, so kai needs to bring it.
stated before too…i wish kai would man up the posing a bit. Wu Tang and kai is a win, rhiana and kai is a headstand candy tuck nightmare.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
kai is bigger now than in 09 but he’s brought his waist down by staying sharper in the off-season.
my hope is that farah has him dialed in, oscar did wonders for developing kai’s mental game but had him eating too much, that said, kai switched from un-assist to assist later than most pros…he grew like a mo fo’ and was already big…he’s now getting it right, he’s big enough…hope he is diced.
phil looks great but kai hasn’t got to stand next to him much or stood next to him at his best. phil should have won that arnold based on condition.
both men on and kai wins, both off a bit, and phil’s prettiness beats him each time. the powers that be want phil to win, so kai needs to bring it.
stated before too…i wish kai would man up the posing a bit. Wu Tang and kai is a win, rhiana and kai is a headstand candy tuck nightmare. [/quote]
