[quote]dzirkelb wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]BangkokHustle wrote:
I was using 85’s and yes I do need coaching because 5/3/1 isn’t really getting me anywhere.[/quote]
… a couple things. I didn’t mean you need coaching for programming needs. You need coaching on your form. 5/3/1 isn’t ‘dangerous’ by any means. Wendler came up with the program as a means to come back from injury. Which means, if anything, it’s one of the more reliably safe programs in existence.
Beyond this though, what do farmers walks have to do with the basics of 5/3/1? If you were running 5/3/1, then the farmers walks would have been implemented as assistance work. Assistance work should NEVER result in injury. It should be done using weights that essentially can’t hurt you.
Have you read the actual 5/3/1 manual? If that’s indeed the program you are running, you need to learn what is and what isn’t essential to the program. Don’t rely on internet forums for this information. Get it straight from Wendler.[/quote]
I’d have to disagree with the dangerous part, just because I have experience with it, and I’ll tell you why I disagree.
5/3/1 is dangerous to the inexperienced lifter, or the beginner, or someone with not proper form (which is all the above). I kept injurying myself on deadlift day for months upon months. I had lower back issues for 10 years, got it fixed, started the program, kept hurting my back again, blamed it on my back…wrong!
What I would do is try to get that last rep, or that last 2 reps, to break a PR, which is what 5/3/1 is all about. It felt awesome to pull, say, 385 for 8 one week, then 395 for 9 the next. You could see the progress, get really stoked for that final lit, etc.
problem is, in order to push out those last couple reps the form falls to just absolute shit. Notice, this is for inexperienced lifters, which I considered myself at the time (and still do, I can only pull around 5, squat around 5, bench around 330. But, more importantly, I’ve only been doing this for about 8 months. After 2 years, I’ll consider myself experienced).
So, I always cringe when I see newbies doing 5/3/1, because man, it works great, but the nature o the workout is pushing yourself past what you did last week, and for me at least, that meant failing on form.
Which is all the reason why the OP needs coaching on form, not program, maybe not even food, just form work. You may think your form is good, but it’s probably not. I know mine still needs work, but I haven’t been injured in 5 months, and all I see is gains!
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from the 5/3/1 manual: “I hesitate to tell anyone to do anything to failure, because thatâ??s not what Iâ??m after. I wouldnâ??t prescribe this.”…“On the last set, however, youâ??ll have to reach further and grind it out â?? not to failure so youâ??re dead and canâ??t train the rest of the week, but it should take some life out of you.”
It sounds like you need to re-read the program if you believe that doing sets to the point of absolute shit form is what 5/3/1 is all about. Wendler states that rep PR’s are a goal, not a necessity. The problem here is not the program, it’s the implementation of shitty form that violates the spirit of the program. Pretty huge difference.