Right, I stared today. But I am having problems with numbers:
Having looked up caloric values of flax seed and fishoil and Metabolic Drive, I juts dont know where the calorie numbers are coming from.
I personally have Optimum Nutrition and cod liver oil tablet, going to try and get some flax. But wihtout milk the ON is 110 calories and with milk it would be too much carbs. What Im on now is less than 1000 calories, and at 205lbs im a bit apprehensive.
Also: I cant afford HOT-ROX here in the uk, and I ahve tried it before And it didnt really affect me: qwill this diet be effective without thermogencis?
Please help: I have searched for an answer but to no avail…
Nick
It sounds to me like you should be thinking about a different diet; HOT-ROX will only work for you once your diet is in order and you are losing fat, it will speed up the proccess.
The diet will not be as effective without it, as the HOT-ROX is there to curb appetite, increase metabolism & fat loss and give you some extra energy.
The shakes typically have two servings of protein, so really it’s 200cal worth of protein. Add in the necessary fats and the shake goes to a little over 300 calories. If you take 6 of those per day you’ll be all set.
Don’t want to be a dick, but Shugs mentions if you aren’t going to follow the V-Diet to a T don’t do it.
If youre using ON whey protein, you will be ravenous throughout the day. I used it for a long time and its a good product post-wo, but its not filling enough to survive off of for a month.
Even with the HOT-ROX and Metabolic Drive shakes (which are the most filling I have had) you spend most of your day a bit hungry.
2)rsg already talked about the HOT-ROX, I second everything he said.
If I read your post correctly, your already eating under 1000 cals at 6’ and 205lbs. If your not losing fat, its cuz your metabolism has shut down. Sometimes you need to increase cals to lose the weight.
I would recommend you look up some of the nutritional things, like Berardi, get up to maintenance for a couple weeks, save your money during that time, and then attack the v-diet correctly and after eating at maintenance, that way you will see real results and be able to stick with it.
Just my 2 cents. Good luck with whatever you decide though.
whats all this willingness?! Im ont he first day, so now I know about doubling the serving I can adjust accordingly.
where did you read the two servings bit?! I cant find that anywhere :S
Nick
Watch out for your fish oil supplements - you are getting them from cod liver oil… which is high in vitamin A. Vitamin A can be fairly toxic which means it cannot be safe to get decent quantities of the oil…
It took me awhile to figure out the servings being used in the V-Diet too, since I never see 2 servings of protein powder mentioned anywhere.
I disagree that lacking Metabolic Drive is a problem. Yes it is a better protein product and will keep you filled up more. I suspect you would find it easier to complete the 30 days with it.
That said, the two previous times I have been through the V-Diet (once before it was even called a V-Diet, back when it was a “fat fast”) I never used Metabolic Drive (or Grow! as it was known at the time). This time around I am using Grow! Whey because I did not feel I could afford Metabolic Drive.
On the other hand, I definately agree that HOT-ROX is extremely important. I have had bad experiences with other companies’ fat loss formulations, while experiencing only positives from Biotest (that goes for any of their products that I have tried). As has been previously noted, you need something to stave off hunger (as much as possible), help preserve muscle, and increase fat burning.
When you are buying yourself the HOT-ROX, do yourself a favour and get some ZMA too. Especially in the beginning low-carbing you will have difficulty with sleep and you need all the help you can get. Besides, who can argue with vital mineral supplementation which also promises a T-boost?
After day one, I fealt quite full, im a bit of a coffee addict so maybe thats it. But instead of having two servings, I just split the shakes up: I cant see any downside to this: it keeps me full cos im having like 10 meals a day, and the proetin is spaced out- so surely assimilation will be more effective. Just come back from the gym, had a pro revover from cnp and feel really good.
Thanks for the advice guys.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
I’m just waiting for the day when someone comes on here and says they have a problem with the V-Diet and they are actually doing the V-Diet. [/quote]
No need to get arsey about it pal, I think you will find that the origional plan had no Biotest products in it, and the actual one juts said that he used the Biotest stuff because it was good. jeez- I mean really what is the point in that post, what did you achieve?
[quote]Daha wrote:
No need to get arsey about it pal, I think you will find that the origional plan had no Biotest products in it, and the actual one juts said that he used the Biotest stuff because it was good. jeez- I mean really what is the point in that post, what did you achieve?[/quote]
The “original” plan? You mean the fast fat diet? Well technically that was a different diet. The V-Diet has always been based on Biotest products, not just because they are good but because of what they contain that no others do. If you read both parts of the diet you would know that, as well as most of the accompanying information.
The point of my post - pal - was that in order for one to start up a diet like the V-Diet it is assumed you did some research on it. Your research should have turned up the fact that shakes are typically assumed to be two scoops (common knowledge) and that people ultimately fail when using non-Biotest products. Pretty simple actually.
Errr…subbing Optimum Nutrition for Metabolic Drive gets a thumbs-down from me. This isn’t something I can prove, but my instinct tells me that because you have no whole foods moving through you, taking casein before you go to bed becomes much more important. I could totally be wrong, but I doubt I am.
What is more, Optimum Nutrition is a cheap product. What you have to wake up to is the fact that you’ll be relying on your protein powder to make you not die. For a month. Choosing a quality product is kind of important.
What is more, Chris Shugart came right out and made it clear that the Velocity Diet is very experimental. This means, for all you “non-sciency” guys that seem to have filled this site, that the data leaves room for improvement and they’re not too sure about whether it’s not a “good idea.” So that means research this stuff carefully before diving in head first (as you should do with any supplement.) If your response is, “I researched carefully!” then I disagree with your use of that adverb.
Note- I’m pretty sure the guy who did the original fat fast diet on whey stopped early (by only a a couple days if I remember correctly), and on the day he quit he went into a huge binge…
Again thats if I recall correctly from the original V-diet article