[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Looking at Tank’s physique, I’d never give him 600 - I just don’t see the structure/mass where it needs to be. Never. I’m impressed.[/quote]
I’m not sure mass is the problem. With the big bounce in the video I could see it.[/quote]
I don’t mean gross mass, I mean mass in spots where you’d normally see it for a big bencher, and make no mistake about it - a 600 raw bench, bounce or not, is HUGE. We’re both powerlifters, you must know what I’m talking about. However, that picture you posted makes me warm up to the idea that he has it in the right places. It’s just when I’ve seen him on TV fighting, I knew of the 600 claim (before the vid) and I’d say to myself - “I can’t see it”.
LOL at the physics comments. I’d suggest all the physics believers to go to the gym tonite, load up 600 and bounce it off your chest. Feel free to make ample use of the “bar whip” too :). Okay okay, you don’t want to do that? How about this? Go to the gym tonite, load the bar with a mere 50lb in excess of your current max and bounce away. Report back to me tomorrow and tell me how that worked for you 
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“LOL” all you want, but the ignorance is yours if you don’t understand that this does allow more weight and a 600 bench performed this way, while extremely impressive, is not the same as a 600 legal bench.
Frankly, I’ve never understood why some people think that posting “LOL” is an effective rhetorical device, but doing so tends to go with stupid posts such as yours above.[/quote]
Wow I struck a nerve and certainly didn’t mean any offense to you. I understand perfectly the difference between a PL legal bench and a bounced bench. My point was however, that no bounce in the world is going to make a substantive difference. While I may have added a tongue in cheek reference to trying 600, my challenge to load the bar with a mere 50lbs more than your max and try it was sincere. Speaking of “legal” benches, there is only one vein where we speak of a bench being “legal” and that is PL. And I assure you, lifters are getting far more from a bench shirt than any gym bencher is getting from a sloppy bounce. At any rate, my physics comment was a jab at you.
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“Was a jab at” me, or “was not” ? 
(I suspect a typo or perhaps Freudian slip, but either way is fine.)
There was no problem with your post or how you wrote it. The “LOL” thing is just a personal idiosyncrasy. My only real objection was to not recognizing that having the weights already moving upwards rather rapidly (from the springing) at the moment of starting the drive does have to give a substantial advantage.
Your ordinary chest-bouncer doesn’t achieve that degree of bar whip because he isn’t strong enough. It takes a ton of strength to do what he did there, but it did enable significantly more weight to be used. Thus, he didn’t have to appear to be a 600 bencher (in PL terms) or actually be one to accomplish that lift. I wouldn’t be able to estimate an accurate correction but for example a mid 500’s or even possibly low-mid 500’s bencher with that technique might well hit 600 in the style in that video, with an equally flexy bar.
As for your point now of “legal” being of reference only to PL:
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I already had a post stating clearly that his lift was absolutely fine for doing what he was wishing to accomplish
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It isn’t the case that only in PL a person evaluates benching strength differently according to whether bounce was employed or not.
When having a discussion about a person’s strength level, and making distinctions between being somewhere in the 500’s (which is extremely strong) vs the 600s (which is super strong), most certainly the technique employed has relevance.
As to my second paragraph, at that moment it seemed fair enough to me that since your post essentially accused anyone who thought that the bounce and bar whip enabled a greater weight was an idiot worthy of your derision, it was fair enough to describe your objection to that as being “stupid.” I usually don’t have such poor-quality replies but in this case failed. Poor judgment. To be sure, I don’t have any such actual overall view: it is only the particular expressed opinion that I consider quite wrong.[/quote]
Typo, and not a freudian slip
You’re reading way too much into my post and in fact, it wasn’t directed to you per se but those that would deride the lift because of the bounce. And although of course one may be able to move more weight with the bounce technique (I actually cannot) and a bouncy bar, we apparently disagree on how much. I don’t think it’s very appreciable - I’d be surprised if it were as much as 50 lbs in Tank’s case and I think the greater benefit is not owing to any “physics” but to the stretch reflex that the pause in PL eliminates.
