[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
yakbutter wrote:
I think if you want to keep lean all year…
…then you are not bulking!!
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Yep. People can add all the adjectives they want “super-slow, extra sparkly clean” but it’s not a bulk.
Yes, lets argue about the word bulking cause that is what this thread is about. If it makes you feel better take the word slow bulk and replace it with gaining mass on a small to medium caloric excess. I didn’t ask how to prevent fat gains while optimally building muscle.Some people have different goals than others I don’t want to be fat 1/2 the year and I am sorry if that offends you.
My short term goal would be to add maybe 10lbs of LBM with minimal fat gains and over the next 2-3 years I would like to be 220lbs at about 10%. If anyone has any experience I would love some advice. But I don’t really want to bulk. I could also do steroids if I want to gain mass optimally but I don’t want to do that either.
[quote]RFYL wrote:
Yes, lets argue about the word bulking cause that is what this thread is about. If it makes you feel better take the word slow bulk and replace it with gaining mass on a small to medium caloric excess. I didn’t ask how to prevent fat gains while optimally building muscle.Some people have different goals than others I don’t want to be fat 1/2 the year and I am sorry if that offends you.
My short term goal would be to add maybe 10lbs of LBM with minimal fat gains and over the next 2-3 years I would like to be 220lbs at about 10%. If anyone has any experience I would love some advice. But I don’t really want to bulk. I could also do steroids if I want to gain mass optimally but I don’t want to do that either.[/quote]
Honestly, what advice are you expecting?
Our advice is geared towards people who actually plan on looking different by this time next year to a very significant degree. Anyone who is actually going to have specific advice for someone with goals of “10lbs in 3 years” would have to limit it to…“Uh, lift weights (if you can since so many of you can’t find the time), barely eat enough to gain any weight and you may or may not actually gain the weight since you are being that restrictive”.
The chances of someone half assing their way to an awesome physique without being near that already are pretty slim, and yes, having a goal of “10lbs in 3 years” IS half assing it whether you choose to admit that or not.
Well its easy to say I’m half assing it if I you change what I did in 7 months (ie 10-15lbs) to say it took me 3 years. And I would be pretty happy if I gained 30 more pounds of lean mass in two years, at this pace maybe I can add a little more.
I bulked pretty much by the book and gained a lot of mass, most of it peeled off when I cut. I’ve made just as much progress going slowly albeit it took a little longer as I did when I was stuffing my face (with good food mind you, I was counting calories and everything, and lifting heavy 5 times a week.)
[quote]RFYL wrote:
Well its easy to say I’m half assing it if I you change what I did in 7 months (ie 10-15lbs) to say it took me 3 years. And I would be pretty happy if I gained 30 more pounds of lean mass in two years, at this pace maybe I can add a little more.
I bulked pretty much by the book and gained a lot of mass, most of it peeled off when I cut. I’ve made just as much progress going slowly albeit it took a little longer as I did when I was stuffing my face (with good food mind you, I was counting calories and everything, and lifting heavy 5 times a week.)[/quote]
So, when I wrote that it was ridiculous for someone to diet down by 30lbs right after they gained 30lbs, you didn’t take that to heart as WHY you FAILED that last time?
How do you and others like you miss the fact that you have already been given all of the advice you need?
[quote]RFYL wrote:
Yes, lets argue about the word bulking cause that is what this thread is about. If it makes you feel better take the word slow bulk and replace it with gaining mass on a small to medium caloric excess. I didn’t ask how to prevent fat gains while optimally building muscle.Some people have different goals than others I don’t want to be fat 1/2 the year and I am sorry if that offends you.
My short term goal would be to add maybe 10lbs of LBM with minimal fat gains and over the next 2-3 years I would like to be 220lbs at about 10%. If anyone has any experience I would love some advice. But I don’t really want to bulk. I could also do steroids if I want to gain mass optimally but I don’t want to do that either.[/quote]
Anyone at 220 lbs with 10% bf is in an elite group, from my point of view, and you state “If anyone has any experience I would love some advice.” You see the fucking big guy in Prof X’s avatar… that’s him. He just might, maybe, have some of that experience which you said you would love to hear from. How about listening to HIS ADVICE instead of coming up with a bunch of reasons why you don’t want to. Or as Prox X said you can take the slim chance of half-assing your way to an awesome physique. Whatever your goals are, man.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
One more thing, it is the job of the person quoting LIMITS to provide proof that they exist, not for those who decry that they have surpassed them and have the muscle to prove it.[/quote]
Muscle synthesis is rate limited because of protein turnover. Are you really going to sit there and say there is not a limit? Well, fuck me, I guess I should eat 20,000 calories a day and 2,000 g of protein!
You admitted yourself that the studies show a rate limitation. Oh, but the studies weren’t done on bodybuilders. No shit. Testing a bodybuilder with elite genetics who is juiced to the gills will really have practical application for the average gym rat. Jesus christ.
[quote]yakbutter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Muscle synthesis is rate limited because of protein turnover. Are you really going to sit there and say there is not a limit? Well, fuck me, I guess I should eat 20,000 calories a day and 2,000 g of protein!
[/quote]
Did you just go full retard?
Where did PX state what you just said above? No wonder the guy gets pissed off all the time.
And as far as your BBer thing and steroids, no one is saying studies need to be done on assisted BBers, taking into account a serious BBer that is natural would be the proper thing to do.
[quote]Did you just go full retard?
Where did PX state what you just said above? No wonder the guy gets pissed off all the time.
And as far as your BBer thing and steroids, no one is saying studies need to be done on assisted BBers, taking into account a serious BBer that is natural would be the proper thing to do.[/quote]
I said that for the AVERAGE trainee .5 lbs of muscle tissue, NOT LEAN MASS, NOT SCALE WEIGHT (there is a difference and if you don’t know what it is you should not be involved in the discussion) is about the max. I also stated that if you have good genetics you could do better.
Then the bros start in with I GOT JAKT IN 2 MONTHS BRO and SHOW ME A PEER REVIEWED STUDY.
Ultimately it doesn’t fucking matter to the OP what your personal results are. Everyone’s genetics are different, and if you’re average the bulk a freak can do and get built will make you fat. End of story.
I don’t have to prove any limits, because I never stated that there were. Professor X started in with “show me the science” when he damn well doesn’t have ANY on his side and if he’sa fucking doctor he konws that already.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
RFYL wrote:
Well its easy to say I’m half assing it if I you change what I did in 7 months (ie 10-15lbs) to say it took me 3 years. And I would be pretty happy if I gained 30 more pounds of lean mass in two years, at this pace maybe I can add a little more.
I bulked pretty much by the book and gained a lot of mass, most of it peeled off when I cut. I’ve made just as much progress going slowly albeit it took a little longer as I did when I was stuffing my face (with good food mind you, I was counting calories and everything, and lifting heavy 5 times a week.)
So, when I wrote that it was ridiculous for someone to diet down by 30lbs right after they gained 30lbs, you didn’t take that to heart as WHY you FAILED that last time?
How do you and others like you miss the fact that you have already been given all of the advice you need?[/quote]
That’s why I asked his goals… It’s really easy what you expect to achieve. Honestly you should just keep lifting with the bodyfat in check, this amount of muscle can come with no effort. BPiFC wannabees seem to be growing at an exponential rate. And no, don’t come up with that shit that I have to prove it (whoever this fits into), I’m just saying that lifters are becoming more pathetic.
I am sad and hungry again.
OP I sat here and tried to think of something constructive to say to you, but I think the problem here is that you want to achieve mediocre results, and most of us who know a thing or two about building muscle don’t know how to do mediocre.
I know there are supposedly people who can “slow bulk”, and gain 10 solid pounds of muscle over the course of a year with little fat gain. I’ve never seen these people, though. Only read about them in magazines and online forums.
Building muscle is hard as fuck, and (IMO) most people simply CAN NOT build a significant amount of it without feeding themselves a shitload of extra food, moving more and more weight every week, and yes, gaining a little fat.
It’s all in the eye of the beholder, everything is relative, bodybuilding is an art leaving it up to the artist what the end result will be. Let the guy be.
[quote]yakbutter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
One more thing, it is the job of the person quoting LIMITS to provide proof that they exist, not for those who decry that they have surpassed them and have the muscle to prove it.
Muscle synthesis is rate limited because of protein turnover. Are you really going to sit there and say there is not a limit? Well, fuck me, I guess I should eat 20,000 calories a day and 2,000 g of protein!
You admitted yourself that the studies show a rate limitation. Oh, but the studies weren’t done on bodybuilders. No shit. Testing a bodybuilder with elite genetics who is juiced to the gills will really have practical application for the average gym rat. Jesus christ. [/quote]
Do you even understand the difference between stating you know the limit and coming up with some specific number that supposedly all people fall under (WITHOUT any more proof than what some author has personally seen)…and acknowledging that even though there may be a limit, to act as if you know the specifics of that limit before you begin can hold you back?
My guess is, you have a hard time with this concept.
Reading an internet article does not take the place of a formal education when it comes to more advanced fields of biology.
Dear OP:
Consider your goals and consider the advice. IF your end goal is to gain 30 lbs lean mass in three years, you are being shown and faster, and dare I say, more proven track - bulk, let body adjust to weight, bulk more - until you think you can cut weight to meet your goal.
OR you can try to do it lean and maybe you will succeed (eventually) but the odds are against you.
Some of us understand where you are coming from, you want to get bigger and look good doing it. Thing is, the bigger you get, the harder those next pounds come. At some point it is put up or shut up. Maybe you are not there yet, but once you get to that point, come back and understand the wisdom that has been shared with you.
[quote]RFYL wrote:
I bulked pretty much by the book[/quote]
What does this even mean? Many here might say your arguing with the guy who wrote that “book”.
Fuck alone knows who has written this famous book on bulking AND followed his own book successfully right from the start of his lifting career without attaining little to no results.
The problem is, we have a few guys who just want to gain some muscle lose some fat and improve their overall sense of well being and appearance. That is a worthy goal.
I am also sure there are some people who want to compete in a sumo wrestling tournament 5 years from now. That AGAIN is a worthy goal.
And finally, we have some guys who want to finish a marathon and look “ok” musclewise while doing so…AGAIn a worthy goal.
Trouble is, when these subsections move away from quietly reading articles and absorbign whatever they need for their individual goals, to loudly asserting themselves in a community largely filled with people who’ve committed to building a LARGE amount of muscle, holding it to maturity and then leaning out to someday step on stage (in some cases much heavier than they once did). Those who are in this realize how difficult it is to add a sizeable amount of dry muscle that will stay with you for life (so to speak) and that holding the food intake in the early years will stunt your overall growth etc etc etc particularly in a non-mesomorphic population.
For the under-achieving common-folk who want long lean muscles and are in no hurry to gain enough muscle to LOOK LIKE A BODYBUILDER, we should have had a “general fitness” forum where these guys can shout their goals to the rooftops.
The kind of idiots I meet in my day to day life have narrow clavicles, wide hips pencil wrists, poor attachments, poor muscle shapes, PATHETIC frames and think they will look a world apart after adding “10 pounds of lean, hard muscle”. As funny as it is to laugh at these idiots in the gym, it is annoying to see these “genetic inferiors” pop up waving their tiny dicks in front of experienced lifters on a forum hitherto intended for “serious lifters”.
[quote]cueball wrote:
RFYL wrote:
I bulked pretty much by the book
What does this even mean? Many here might say your arguing with the guy who wrote that “book”.[/quote]
x2 on the general fitness and wellbeing forum, do it mods, do it… there they can have theyre chicken fish brown rice and vegies all day long on what they call a “BULK” and we can sit here have whole eggs, pasta, potatoes, whole milk, steak and of course a little FAST FOOD…
ladies… till u see these abs (not for another 4 years), enjoy your brad pitt wannabees