[quote]RFYL wrote:
I agree I could be a little less averse to losing my abs but its not like I haven’t made progress on this bulk (also I really haven’t put on much fat). All my lifts have gone up at about the same rate as when I was dirty bulking. I was eating clean just a shitload.
I’m sure some people can gain lean mass faster than others, I know that if I eat 600-800 calories over maintenance I put maybe 1.5lbs of muscle a month and 4 lbs of fat. So now I eat a couple hundred over maintenance, my progress might be a little slower but I don’t have to be fat shit half the year.
I was just looking for a way to curb fat gains, I’ll probably just do a one month cut once a year.
Also I haven’t been overly restrictive with my calories this bulk, I eat ~4000 calories at 190lbs.[/quote]
I hear you dude- you know your body. I’m the same way, I can’t really get away with stuffing my face. I can do about 400 over maintenance or things get sloppy quick.
DC guys use carb cutoffs and morning cardio to keep soft gains to a minimum. I don’t really understand why it works, I just take their word for it and do my morning cardio.
Seems to me that I’m bulking in the daytime and cutting at night, lol. As I said, I don’t really know the science behind this stuff, and I don’t really care to. I just trust the experience of those that have done this shit before me.
Anyway… carb cutoff–>morning walk=way to curb fat gains.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
RMorrison wrote:
Hasn’t it pretty much been proven that unless you are making beginner gains or gaining muscle that you have at one point had, that the maximum amount of lean tissue that can be added in a week, averaged over time, is 1/2 lb?
When the fuck did someone prove that all humans are capable of only gaining .5lbs of muscle in a week?
Read LESS from personal training authors and MORE real fucking science.
The human body is not that limited and your genetics above all else determine rate of growth with your food intake and training running equally second behind it.
People like you allow yourselves to be led by a leash.
Have fun living life that way.
Ever since that one article by thibs (was it him?) got posted and people constantly keep misunderstanding or misquoting it, we’ve had this discussion every month anew lol
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You are right, I misquoted it. The article says that for the average male under perfect training conditions, the max lean tissue gain is around .5 per week.
The point is that there is a point where muscle gain vs. amount of food eaten tapers off. It is understood that finding the point where you are comfortable with the gain ratio (muscle vs. fat) is trial and error.
X: what is your problem with people who want to slowly gain muscle while staying lean? It is understood that more muscle can be gained by stuffing yourself silly; but, that strategy does not appeal to some. Why is this difficult for you to accept?
X: what is your problem with people who want to slowly gain muscle while staying lean? It is understood that more muscle can be gained by stuffing yourself silly; but, that strategy does not appeal to some. Why is this difficult for you to accept?[/quote]
What the fuck are you even talking about? How about YOU prove that humans can only gain .5lbs of muscle in a week without using some written quote by an author.
I don’t give a damn what you do. Just don’t spread opinionated pseudoscience as if it is the real deal all because you choose to be handed everything you think you know from weekly articles on a website.
If you want to bulk and are concerned about fat gain maybe bulking isn’t for you.
Do some cardio and maybe have a carb cut-off at night, to keep fat at bay, but to “bulk” you need a shit tone of calories and a shit tone of hard work in the gym otherwise it is a fail. Fat gain is inevitable and with proper nutrition, when you cut, the majority of the muscle, if not all of the muscle, you gained while bulking should still be there.
I can’t stress it enough, if you want to get big be prepared to have some fat on you. Depending on the indiviual some will have more than others, and obviously nobody is saying you need to look like fat bastard by the end of your bulk, but being big, and noticable, and muscular even with some extra fat on your body is a success as long as you are gaining muscle. That’s the goal right? I don’t even know anymore around here. If you want to stay lean stay lean but don’t expect to go anywhere.
Shit look at X in his avatar. He isn’t competition ripped, he’s pretty bulked up and he looks fucking impressive. Gain muscle, gain fat, and at the end of the day be more muscular than you were 6 months ago. I’m sounding like a broken record now and I’m delerious with no sleep. That’s all I have to say.
I don’t give a damn what you do. Just don’t spread opinionated pseudoscience as if it is the real deal all because you choose to be handed everything you think you know from weekly articles on a website.
Why is this so difficult for you to accept?[/quote]
Hello! You have been barking psuedoscience, not others. You have not backed up your claims with anything but abuse on other posters, as if screaming loudly makes you right. There have been many, many studies done on the rate limitation of muscular synthesis. Here’s a quote, from an actual doctor:
"The Colgan Institute of Nutritional Sciences (located in San Diego, CA) run by Dr Michael Colgan PHD, a leading sport nutritionist explains that in his extensive experience, the most muscle gain he or any of his colleagues have recorded over a year was 18 1/4 lbs. Dr Colgan goes on to state that “because of the limiting rate of turnover in the muscle cells it is impossible to grow more than an ounce of new muscle each day.”
So in the interest of making this an educated debate, go find some research of your own and let’s examine it. Otherwise you really ought to STFU.
I don’t give a damn what you do. Just don’t spread opinionated pseudoscience as if it is the real deal all because you choose to be handed everything you think you know from weekly articles on a website.
Why is this so difficult for you to accept?
Hello! You have been barking psuedoscience, not others. You have not backed up your claims with anything but abuse on other posters, as if screaming loudly makes you right. There have been many, many studies done on the rate limitation of muscular synthesis. Here’s a quote, from an actual doctor:
"The Colgan Institute of Nutritional Sciences (located in San Diego, CA) run by Dr Michael Colgan PHD, a leading sport nutritionist explains that in his extensive experience, the most muscle gain he or any of his colleagues have recorded over a year was 18 1/4 lbs. Dr Colgan goes on to state that “because of the limiting rate of turnover in the muscle cells it is impossible to grow more than an ounce of new muscle each day.”
So in the interest of making this an educated debate, go find some research of your own and let’s examine it. Otherwise you really ought to STFU.
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Guy, I am a doctor also and I am asking for PROOF, not the quoted word of a Phd.
That means show STUDIES FROM PEER REVIEWED JOURNALS that prove that humans are limited to a certain amount of muscle.
These studies currently conducted that have anything at all to do with gaining muscle are generally done on patients who are NOT bodybuilders and are NOT trying to gain the most muscle possible in a given time period.
Chances are, Michael Lockett was not in the test group.
Unless we are aware of WHO they even looked at and their own genetic ability, his quoted word isn’t worth your last post.
One more thing, it is the job of the person quoting LIMITS to provide proof that they exist, not for those who decry that they have surpassed them and have the muscle to prove it.
whats going to happen to me now that I’ve routinely gained more then .5 lbs. a week for 6 years now?? Will I spontaneously combust? Keep holding yourselves back.
Come back with a quote, and I’ll come back with real life accomplishment.
I don’t give a damn what you do. Just don’t spread opinionated pseudoscience as if it is the real deal all because you choose to be handed everything you think you know from weekly articles on a website.
Why is this so difficult for you to accept?
Hello! You have been barking psuedoscience, not others. You have not backed up your claims with anything but abuse on other posters, as if screaming loudly makes you right. There have been many, many studies done on the rate limitation of muscular synthesis. Here’s a quote, from an actual doctor:
"The Colgan Institute of Nutritional Sciences (located in San Diego, CA) run by Dr Michael Colgan PHD, a leading sport nutritionist explains that in his extensive experience, the most muscle gain he or any of his colleagues have recorded over a year was 18 1/4 lbs. Dr Colgan goes on to state that “because of the limiting rate of turnover in the muscle cells it is impossible to grow more than an ounce of new muscle each day.”
So in the interest of making this an educated debate, go find some research of your own and let’s examine it. Otherwise you really ought to STFU.
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An ounce a day is almost 23 pounds of muscle a year, so were his subjects sandbagging a bit?
