Pretty Little Hate Machine

quoted from
Squatting from Head to Toe
Introducing the Box Squat
by Dave Tate

[quote] Now that your upper back is tight you’ll need to tighten your midsection. First, expand your abdomen as much as possible. When you pull air into your body it should be into the diaphragm, not the chest. Expand you belly and push it out against your belt. This will stabilize and support the lower back and not elongate the spine. If you’re having a hard time trying to figure this out, then wear your weight belt one notch loose and push into it with your belly so it becomes tight.

Pushing your belly out goes against what many believe because they feel training this way will cause injuries to the lower back. After 30 years of box squatting Westside has had 23 lifters squat over 800 pounds, six over 900 pounds and one over a grand. Not one of these lifters or any of the others has had lower back problems.

Another aspect of this to keep in mind is the circumference of the waist line. If I suck my belly in my waist line measures 42 inches. If I pull air into my belly and push it out it measures 48 inches. The wider base the stronger the lifter. This is why lifters with a bigger waist squat more. The pyramids in Egypt are also built with a wide base and they have been standing for centuries. As the car commercials used to say, wider is better.

I learned this lesson firsthand at the 1990 Toledo Hall of Fame powerlifting competition. I’d just tried a 760 squat and got smashed with it. This was my second attempt of the day and I decided to give it another try on the third. I had some doubts because the second attempt wasn’t even close. Saying I got smashed is an understatement. The weight stapled me to the floor! I didn’t even get out of the bottom of the lift. This weight was a 20 pound personal record for which I had spent the last four months training.

I didn’t understand what the problem was or how to fix it. On the third attempt, while I was getting wrapped, Louie Simmons walked up to me and told me to get my abdominals tight. I had no idea what he was talking about at the time, but would within the next few minutes. As I got under the weight I realized Louie was the spotter behind me. (No pressure there, huh?) As I got set under the bar he told me to expand and push my belly into the belt. Now I understood what he was talking about. I was always told to flex my abs, but never to expand and push out.

As I set the bar up, I noticed that I had never felt so tight and stable. Once set, I locked in my back and began the squat. I kept my belly pushed into the belt and blasted the weight up! I had just smoked a weight that stapled me to the floor moments earlier all because I learned how to use my abdominals! In my opinion, this concept is one of the most misunderstood in the sport of powerlifting today. Many lifters don’t know how to use their core to set up a squat. Some do nothing at all while others are trying to suck their stomachs in. This is probably fine for those who strive to squat 400 pounds, but if you’re looking to squat maximal weights in the 700 to 900 range, you’d better learn how to use your core.

All the power of the lower body is transferred through your core to the barbell. If this core isn’t tight the power will “get lost” so to speak and never travel to the bar. While I don’t agree with the use of a belt for the majority of training, I do believe in the use of belts to teach a person how to use the abdominals while squatting. The belt is a training aid in competition, so you must learn how to use it to its fullest advantage.[\quote]

[quote]LittleStrick wrote:
That sounds like a hefty bruise…and good motivation to further hone your defensive skills :slight_smile: What did they hit you with, a 2x4?

You will be glad that you got the belt.[/quote]

It was inch and a quarter diameter rattan, counter weighted.

[quote]rondastarr wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:
I did end up with a eight inch long by by two inch wide deep purple bruise on my ribs but I had a blast.[/quote]

You are terribly proud of that, I am sure :p[/quote]

When it stops throbbing maybe.

[quote]damutt wrote:
I bet with a belt your squats and deads will go up 40 lbs in no time from the extra support[/quote]

I’d be real happy about that. Thnks for the Tate article, now let’s hope I can put it into practice.

Wave 2-Cycle 2-Week 4-Day 1

Milies

5x60
5x75
5x90
5x75
5x60

CGB

5x205
5x215 (+1 rep PR)
3x225

Kroc Rows

2x18x85 (+1 rep PR)

Incline DB Presses

2x8x75

Face Pulls

3x10x65

18 reps? Add some damn weight to the bar.

I think there’s a learning curve with a belt. At least with squatting. A belt felt fab immediately for me with DL. But really threw me off with squat. I didn’t stick with it.

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
18 reps? Add some damn weight to the bar.

I think there’s a learning curve with a belt. At least with squatting. A belt felt fab immediately for me with DL. But really threw me off with squat. I didn’t stick with it.[/quote]

I was the other way around. I still don’t like it all that much for DLs, but I love the belt for squats. I think I’d have a hard time gauging depth without it.

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
18 reps? Add some damn weight to the bar.

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Krocs are typically high rep. Otherwise they are just, well, DB rows with looser form. He didn’t plan on it that way initially. The gym just didn’t have DBs heavy enough to keep adding weight. Now they are used as an upper back, grip, mental toughness movement.

And Krocs are just bentover DB rows with the hand pronated, right? Never really done these but everyone always seems to be doing 'em so they must be effective.

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
And Krocs are just bentover DB rows with the hand pronated, right? Never really done these but everyone always seems to be doing 'em so they must be effective.[/quote]

Yup. Note that he does use straps on the ridculous weights. I believe his top weight is 300lbs for reps.

I like 'em but, frankly, they hammer my obliques and I’m thick enough. I prefer BB rows but it is a low back trade-off.

Sorry, Joe for the hijack.

[quote]giterdone wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
And Krocs are just bentover DB rows with the hand pronated, right? Never really done these but everyone always seems to be doing 'em so they must be effective.[/quote]

Yup. Note that he does use straps on the ridculous weights. I believe his top weight is 300lbs for reps.

I like 'em but, frankly, they hammer my obliques and I’m thick enough. I prefer BB rows but it is a low back trade-off.

Sorry, Joe for the hijack.

No worries, thats the best example ever.

ave 2-cycle 2-Week 4-Day 2

Deads

5x160
5x195
5x235
5x195
5x160

Standing EZ curls

10x97
10x102 (+1 rep PR)
6x107 (+1 rep PR)

Today was the deloadest of deloads. Trying to rest my back.

Broke down and ordered a foam roller and farmer’s walk bars. Now if I can figure a way to fit a prowler into my garage I think the sled, the farmer’s walk bars and the prowler should have me set for conditioning.

wish I could have a garage filled with neat toys. That’s the downside of condo living - communal parking and very strict regulations. I know a couple of neighbors who would totally have my head of I kept a prowler in there. I’ll be joining you on the conditioning in a few weeks.

The foam roller will hurt so good. Nice purchases!

[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Broke down and ordered a foam roller and farmer’s walk bars. Now if I can figure a way to fit a prowler into my garage I think the sled, the farmer’s walk bars and the prowler should have me set for conditioning.[/quote]

Mmmmmm - farmer’s walk bars. Good purchase.

You sir are nicely equiped (with conditioning toys).
Hope your back gets all rested up during the deload.

Okay so I have a, probably, stupid question. Is there a exact position on the body for a belt? Should it be sitting on my hips or should it be higher up on my torso?

[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Okay so I have a, probably, stupid question. Is there a exact position on the body for a belt? Should it be sitting on my hips or should it be higher up on my torso?[/quote]

Not stupid at all. It goes wherever you feel you need the most support. Usually that’s just above the hips. Some guys where it up towards the solar plexus for DLs. The best place is where you can generate the most pressure against it when you take a breath, since that air is what is really supporting the spine.

Because I’m small, there’s really only one sweet spot for my belt. Interesting question but I suppose a valid one for those of you who have options.

Can you change your avi to the pic with the pirate hat?