Presses Have Stalled

Hi everyone. I’m a long-time lurker who’s decided to come ask for help after a month or two of frustration.

Basically, I’ve began lifting sometime last Dec. after getting prodded into it by my brother. I then decided that it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I initially started on SS. After three months (From Dec. to March), I’ve made decent gains in two departments- deadlift, where I went from starting on 125ish to doing 265 as my max, and pull-ups, where I went from doing 3-4 consecutives to doing 10. But after a failed bulk (far too much calories and not enough actual intense lifting is my guess), poor gains in everything else (my bench-press went from an 80 or so to 120 and stayed there/Squat went up to 155 from a starting point of 100ish/overhead press went from the bar to 75 and stayed there/ barbell rows never improved after getting to 90), a trip oversees for family business and then moving to a new home in the States, I found myself close to my starting point at the beginning of June.

Learning a bit from my previous mistakes, I decided to modify things a bit by lifting daily while eating a very good amount and also walking 3-5 miles/day at a brisk pace. My goal was, and still is, primarily to gain strength. Fat loss can come later after I’m done prepping for grad school tests and can devote most of my day to exercise.

Within the last two months, I’ve made what I consider what amazing gains.

-My squat went from a 125 to 205 after I was able to actually get the bar at the right place. Turns out that my back wasn’t big enough to hold it at the position Mr. Rippletoe advocates. But after weeks of lifting and tinkering around, I managed and immediately saw a jump from a 155 to 185 within three days.

-My dead-lift went from a working set of 225 and a max of 245 to a PR of 315 two weeks ago. Granted, the 315 deadlift damn near broke me, but I did manage it. As of now, my grip is a major hindrance at improvement and I’m going to start using chalk soon. As of now, I’m currently on a working weight of 295, but only cause of the grip. Back can deal with the weight but my grip gives out on me without fail 2-3 reps after 300lb. I’m fairly confident that I can manage a 305+ once I get chalk.

-I gave up on barbell rows because they felt very awkward and did DB rows instead. I went from doing 40lb to 80lb.

-My pull-ups went from a restart of 5 to consistently doing 12/set for a total of 40 reps. I’m currently doing weighted pull-ups with 25lb for 5 reps of 4 sets.

But in spite of all these gains, I’m still stuck on the overhead press and the bench press. My overhead press is currently at 80lb, and it’s quite difficult for me to finish it. As for my bench press, I changed to db presses after I determined that there could a psychological fear of the bar falling on me after something similar happened way back in February. I went from doing using 40lb db to 60lb, but have since stalled.

My question, after all this then, is what can I do to improve my presses? Virtually everything else except my overhead and bench/db press are improving at a fairly predictable rate now(5lb/week on the barbell exercises, 5lb jump every other week or so on the db row), so I’m at a loss on how to explain the lack of improvement on just two lifts. Perhaps my upper body doesn’t like getting stronger?

Dumbells take longer to get stronger in a way. Post what your currenyly doing exactly on your press day or how ever your program is set up.

This doesn’t answer your question, but for your grip strength try Kroc rows (DB rows for 20+ reps) , farmers walks, and double overhand style deadlfts

If your upper back isn’t getting stronger, it could be that your lower back is limiting things. That’s where I’d focus on. Especially since you removed barbell rows from the picture, you’ve limited your lower back work. Try keeping your abs and lower back tight (valsava maneuver) and your glutes squeezed tight together when doing the overhead presses (if you’re not already doing that.) Personally, I’d use kettlebell swings to bring up strength in your lower back, but there’s probably other ways to do it.

Honestly, if my squat, deadlift, chins, and rows were all increasing at a fast rate, and my presses were increasing slowly, I wouldn’t be complaining.

What rep ranges are you doing for presses? 6-8 for chest and 8-10 for shoulders work best for me
I used to do like low rep everything and stay 5 and below and everything stalled majorly on presses
Maybe up the rep ranges?
And Exactly how much cals and protein are you eating per day

I don’t know exactly how much calories I eat as I gave up on measuring it.

But my basic diet looks like this-

Breakfast-
4 whole eggs fried/scrambled with vegetable oil.
A cup of whole milk (Basically one full serving)

Lunch-
Lots of chicken. Typically a pound or so.
Several servings of vegetables.
A cup of whole milk.

A post-exercise protein powder (roughly 53g of protein, 5-6g of fat, 10g of carbs) with two cups (two servings) of whole milk.

Dinner-
A repeat of lunch minus the milk.

It should come out to roughly 110+g of protein a day.

Calorie consumption is not an issue though. My weight is fluctuates, but it’s slowly going higher instead of lower.

I don’t know exactly how much calories I eat as I gave up on measuring it.

But my basic diet looks like this-

Breakfast-
4 whole eggs fried/scrambled with vegetable oil.
A cup of whole milk (Basically one full serving)

Lunch-
Lots of chicken. Typically a pound or so.
Several servings of vegetables.
A cup of whole milk.

A post-exercise protein powder (roughly 53g of protein, 5-6g of fat, 10g of carbs) with two cups (two servings) of whole milk.

Dinner-
A repeat of lunch minus the milk.

It should come out to roughly 110+g of protein a day.

Calorie consumption is not an issue though. My weight fluctuates, but it’s slowly going higher.

I’m starting to increase reps instead of trying to go up in weight instead. It seems to be working, but I won’t know for certain until I hit my goal of doing 8 reps/set with 60lb before I jump to 65lb.

110 per day? If your other lifts are increases and weight is either your crazy awesome genes or it’s wayyy more then 110
Try and shoot for 250 and see if that helps
If its really 110 then everything will shoot up drastically and youll be in business
Add more eggs
Add more meat
Add more milk
Add more powder
Just options
And the whole rep range thing ontop of more food

Is the shortage of carbs in your diet intentional?? I’m no expert so take this for what it’s worth, my press is stalled at 85 pounds. I’m going to start increasing in 2.5lb intervals OR 5 lbs intervals every other workout, depending on which works better and really review my form.

My BP is also stalled at 125 lbs, so I’m going to first really review some of Dave Tate’s BPing videos, make sure I’m eating and sleeping enough, and then try 2.5lb intervals.

You need to eat more I eat more at breakfast than you do all day damn near it seriously. More carbs more everything.

Yes. The almost complete absence of planned carbs is intentional. Because I no longer actually keep track of what I eat, I know I’m eating far more of everything that I think I do. The diet I posted is merely something that I absolutely force myself to eat everyday that I lift.

In regards to eating more - Due to the failed bulk, I think I actually spend a lot less calories than I initially calculated. My weight is more or less stable right now, with a very visible increase in muscular size and strength. Hell, my shoulders and pecs are visibly larger as well. They’re just not particularly stronger.

I noticed that I didn’t include some crucial information about my body, so here it is.

Height- 5ft 7inches.
Weight- Fluctuates anywhere from 155-158, depending entirely on how much I ate that given day.

[quote]magick wrote:
Yes. The almost complete absence of planned carbs is intentional. Because I no longer actually keep track of what I eat, I know I’m eating far more of everything that I think I do. The diet I posted is merely something that I absolutely force myself to eat everyday that I lift.

In regards to eating more - Due to the failed bulk, I think I actually spend a lot less calories than I initially calculated. My weight is more or less stable right now, with a very visible increase in muscular size and strength. Hell, my shoulders and pecs are visibly larger as well. They’re just not particularly stronger.

I noticed that I didn’t include some crucial information about my body, so here it is.

Height- 5ft 7inches.
Weight- Fluctuates anywhere from 155-158, depending entirely on how much I ate that given day.[/quote]

It only fluctuates 3 pounds? I’m impressed. Mine fluctuated 8 pounds last Saturday. (What can I say… all you can eat sushi and crab legs…)

But in all seriousness, I really don’t know how to help you here. Maybe a Grease the Groove style approach (a la Pavel Tsatsouline) would help with stalling?

It occasionally drops down to 154 or so if I didn’t eat a whole lot on Sunday(I don’t lift on Sundays), but that’s rare and I try not to do that.

I have tried that method with my push-ups before and it worked wonders until I started getting burned-out.

For now, I think I’ll stick with just increasing reps moreso than the weights for a month or so, then report back with my results.

As important as your shoulders are going to be in building a big press, don’t ignore your back and triceps. If you’re not doing any heavy rows or weighted dips, consider adding them to your routine.

Most importantly, be patient dude. You’re obviously getting stronger, and the press is going to be the big movement that you progress the least in terms of absolute weight.

Ya, I’ve recently started doing dips. I’m doing them the same way I did pull-up progression. I choose an arbitrary number (30), and then do them in as fewest sets as possible. Currently taking six sets of five, and the last two are killing me.

I think it’s because my triceps, and to a lesser extent my biceps, are very weak in comparison to the rest of my body. In spite of all under-hand grip pull-ups I do, my biceps are terribly weak. I can only do 20lb db curls. I guess that’s just a testament to how little arm I use during my pull-ups, but it’s strange.