Pre exhaust for the Hamstrings?

[fitafter40]

What science?

[marine77]

The science Paul Carter and Chris Beardsley shared regarding the subject

[RT_Nomad]

@marine77

the pullover simply isn’t that effective for lats

Let’s say you are correct. Does the Nautilus Pullover Machine provide any value in a back routine?

BTW, when focusing on back training I did not use the form that Sergio Oliva did in the video by @fitafter40 . I kept my back arched and head upright throughout the full range of motion.

[fitafter40]

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[marine77]

[RT_Nomad]

Come on now. The barbell and dumbbell pullover can only add resistance by the linear limitation of gravity.

The Nautilus Pullover Machine used the cam (or linear pulley if it was not a cammed machine) to negate the linearity of gravity influence on the exercise. The Nautilus Pullover allowed over 180 degrees of motion without the resistance ever remotely approaching zero.

The barbell and dumbbell pullover don’t compare to the Nautilus Pullover Machine. Those are two completely different exercises, IMO.

[TrainForPain]

If Paul Carter didn’t invent it, Paul Carter is pretty sure it’s useless. The logic stands on its own merit, so he justifiably refuses to engage with any in disagreement.

[FlatsFarmer]

Look at this old-timey guy doing pullovers with his head hanging off the bench, and limiting the amount of shoulder flexion during the pullover. Somebody measure his upper arm to rib cage angle, does it look Exactly like 120 degrees?

Also, arched pullover benches? I’ve never seen or heard of that before just now. Who wants to go into business with me making these things new again?

[RT_Nomad]

@FlatsFarmer

Somebody measure his upper arm to rib cage angle, does it look Exactly like 120 degrees?

The bent arm barbell pullover always seemed limited to about 90 degrees of resistance. Once your elbow is approaching vertical to the ground the resistance is quickly approaching zero.

[marine77]

Tried the Nautilus yearssssss ago… honestly don’t remember how it felt.

[Bane2]

whao looks useful to me i would definitely go into business with you

[marine77]

Perhaps at certain angles / lengths there are marginal benefits

[Brant_Drake]

@marine77

at certain angles / lengths

I had sex with a woman while she did RDL’s. Highly recommended.

[Bane2]

@RT_Nomad

The barbell and dumbbell pullover can only add resistance by the linear limitation of gravity.

The Nautilus Pullover Machine used the cam (or linear pulley if it was not a cammed machine) to negate the linearity of gravity influence on the exercise. The Nautilus Pullover allowed over 180 degrees of motion without the resistance ever remotely approaching zero.

The barbell and dumbbell pullover don’t compare to the Nautilus Pullover Machine. Those are two completely different exercises

respect

[bulldog9899]

Ouch!

[FlatsFarmer]

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[Bane2]

im not writing checks without seeing the demand for it

[davemccright]

Do it. I can vouch for Flats. He was the biggest earner at my investment firm and is tight with the CEO. He’s got several pending patents for some exercise machinery that will change the game. They’re calling him the next Arthur Jones.

[Bane2]

haaaa

[jskrabac]

Depends on execution. They have been a great finisher for me with back workouts. I’ve always had a great MMC with the lats though probably due to my decade as a swimmer. And I make sure to either be on a decline or be hanging way off the end of the bench, plus I never lockout. I basically stop once I feel the lats no longer working which is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the way up. I’d only recommend them for trainees with good MMC and who don’t ego lift. Lighter weights can go a long way if you know how to work the stretch, keep constant tension and engage the lats the whole way. I also find they have added functional benefits that I just don’t get from a cable straight-arm pulldown for example. Namely, they have immediate carryover to scapular control for me. Idk the exact biomechanics behind it, but something about loading that stretch position has a ton of postural benefits for me that I can feel almost right away.